windmill questions

[Farmall Doctor]

   Just North of here, in Dresden Ontario, a large number of rural residents had their water wells destroyed by the construction of industrial turbines. The pilings driven into the ground shook the materials around the aquifer and filled them with black sediment. Of course the wind company hired a big team of lawyers and the local residents can't afford to fight them for compensation. They offered to supply bottled water... but the next question was, how many bottles of water do they think a herd of cattle will drink in a day?

   A farmer near Thamesville has lost multiple head of cattle due to stray voltage. Wind companies claim that it's not their fault.

   Low frequency noise is real. It gets right into your ears and I get a headache... it feels like someone is running a big vibratory road roller somewhere. I feel it in the shop, but step outside and can't pinpoint it. Wind direction and barometric pressure changes the whooshing or howling sounds.

   Light flicker is also a big problem. Some people have walked away from their homes just to save their sanity. When the blades shadow the sun as they spin, it's like someone is constantly turning the lights on and off inside the home! 

   I am lucky that the 2 across the road aren't upwind of me, or else I would be hearing them constantly! I hear them when the wind blows from certain directions. There was a fellow living in the house closer to them, and he resorted to living in the basement before finally selling the property. 

....and they are ugly! haha

   

[1256pickett]

We have a few farms around me. My father was approached very early and was intrigued by the money but had too many questions and now we are glad he didn’t sign anything. I don’t have a problem with them in general, I just think they are a waste of land. They seem to put them in the middle of a field and then a roadway right across it rather than around the edge like a normal driveway would be.  And those roadways are way wider than they need. They started probably 15 years ago approaching landowners. About 3-5 different companies before contracts were signed and town gave approval. 3-5 more companies before they were built. Somehow they started as 325 foot but ended up 525 feet. Now the shady part in my mind there was a minimum setback of 1&1/2 times the height. In the end they were 525 but setback was from the original 325 tall ones. I think they did adjust it because 1&1/2 times 325 is less than 500 and I think they ended up 525 set back, so one times the height. The first ones they put up they found the soil wasn’t what they thought and used a lot more concrete for the footers than they thought they would need. The second ones they put up the concrete trucks went by my house for 3&1/2 weeks, 6 days a week for 12 hours a day at the rate of 5 trucks an hour like clock work. They only patched my road (county road) when it needed a full repave   Water pools in the tire tracks the last couple years since then. 
All that being said I have one friend that was in the middle of them and hates them and one friend with one out his back door that is glad he signed the lease. Overall I have very little problem with them on your land but I wouldn’t want one on mine. I am rare in this area most are either all for them or all against them and it has driven a wedge between a lot of former friends. That is the worst part. 

[F-301066460puller]

I live in Central Illinois, multiple wind farms and solar farms. Rules of this forum don't allow me to tell you my true thoughts. The companies are snakes and liars and it is NOT worth it. Fight it before they build.

[Farmall Doctor]

Oh, and I was going to add...the laneways that they build around here are better than our rural roads. but the real problem is that they put them wherever they want. One farmer with a big long field asked nicely that they build the road ON the property line... nope.. they built it 10 feet from the line. There goes several acres that can't be farmed unless you have antique equipment. 

[Jesse in WI]

22 minutes ago, 1256pickett said:

Overall I have very little problem with them on your land but I wouldn’t want one on mine. I am rare in this area most are either all for them or all against them and it has driven a wedge between a lot of former friends. That is the worst part. 

I am in the same boat as you. I do not want them. When our township was subjected to the wind turbine solicitations it pretty much divided the township into two groups; the 5-6 farm families that signed the contract that had enough land to reap the financial benefits but not have a turbine near them versus the rest of the township residents; many of whom where getting a turbine placed at the minimum distance from their house and had nothing they could do about it.

To this day the members of the 5-6 farm families that signed up still refuse to admit they were more than willing ruin the land, the roads and the property values of our entire township and surrounding townships for a small financial gain and it doesn't go unnoticed around here.

[nepoweshiekfarmalls]

These windmill farms have forever changed the look of the rural landscape...... not a fan.  Thankfully,  my neighborhood does not have the right amount of wind to interest them.  So, I don't have to look at them around my place!

[acem]

Why don't they build them and solar plants in cities?

[bkorth]

The county I live in changed the setback from a half mile to a mile to keep them out, pretty much solved the problem. The counties surrounding us all have wind farms, there  are 72 of them starting south of me about 2 miles. They were putting them up in August of I believe 2017 so they were paying farmers for lost crops due to construction.  I own a sp chopper and got jobs cutting corn and some soybeans for 17 of them, some for renters and some for land owners and I can tell you for certain that the renters were not happy with the landlords for putting them up. Of the 17 that I chopped not one has a straight road going through the field,  some roads are almost a half mile long at an angle through the field up and down hills and are now causing erosion in the fields. These roads are better and in some cases wider than county roads around here. If it weren't for a government subsidy there wouldn't be any of them, they cost more than they can produce, the landowners are supposed to get a bonus over a certain number of kilowatts produced, funny thing is I haven't heard of anyone actually getting it. And to answer one of your original questions, these turbines have 400 yards of concrete under them, and yes you read that right 400 yards. They set up their own cement plant and poured 24/7, spare no expense for the American tax payer. I better just stop there.

[cedar farm]

monuments to mans stupidity 

[Drysleeves]

9 hours ago, bkorth said:

The county I live in changed the setback from a half mile to a mile to keep them out, pretty much solved the problem. The counties surrounding us all have wind farms, there  are 72 of them starting south of me about 2 miles. They were putting them up in August of I believe 2017 so they were paying farmers for lost crops due to construction.  I own a sp chopper and got jobs cutting corn and some soybeans for 17 of them, some for renters and some for land owners and I can tell you for certain that the renters were not happy with the landlords for putting them up. Of the 17 that I chopped not one has a straight road going through the field,  some roads are almost a half mile long at an angle through the field up and down hills and are now causing erosion in the fields. These roads are better and in some cases wider than county roads around here. If it weren't for a government subsidy there wouldn't be any of them, they cost more than they can produce, the landowners are supposed to get a bonus over a certain number of kilowatts produced, funny thing is I haven't heard of anyone actually getting it. And to answer one of your original questions, these turbines have 400 yards of concrete under them, and yes you read that right 400 yards. They set up their own cement plant and poured 24/7, spare no expense for the American tax payer. I better just stop there.

Eventually it will stop because they will run out of other people's money.

[sandhiller]

Anyone thinking about allowing a wind farm to place towers on your land. 

I suggest getting and reading a copy of this book. 

[cedar farm]

traveling across Minnesota along I-90. Hundreds of those derelicts dotting the countryside. I estimate the area they sit on, the driveways made to get at each mill  is at least 3 acres. Land taken out of production forever. Do the math on that. The environmentalist's complain about the cities swallowing up farm land and habitat. They should open their eyes and look at windmills and solar farms.

[pt756]

Just yesterday the local weekly paper the group that doesnt seem so thrilled about the turbines put in a full page about windmills mostly the disadvantages,  so its starting to heat up, 2 local meetings planned also about the turbines, sure the energy companies wont be there, while the enrgy companies are not yet in our township they are on each side, I am sure our township will be the next one being solicited,

[lotsaIHCs]

Beware of these people selling the idea of wind farms. 20 some years ago they were planning a wind farm in my area. Florida Power and Light sent out letters and maps to all the landowners and residents of the affected area. A representative met with my wife and me at a nice hotel dining area and showed us how our land was included in phase 1 and we were sure to get at least 1 and maybe up to 4 towers at either $12,000/year per tower for the larger towers or 6 for the smaller ones, depending on which they settled at a later date. He showed us the maps of all our neighbors who had already signed on and where the proposed towers would be. We decided that since we were going to be in the middle of them and we could use the money so that my wife could stay home with the kids, we would sign up for the project. They paid us $1,500/year during the final planning stages. When all was said and done, we received zero towers on our land. We had been used as patsies to make the case that there was widespread approval and interest in wind towers in our township to get the required permits and such from the state and county. During the planning stages, we were invited to a meeting and picnic  for one of the two major political parties, which was  held at a neighbor's farm. We did not attend. The keynote speaker was a representative of Florida Power and Light, which became FPL Energy, then Next Era Energy. I don't know if they are still using that name or not because the service trucks that go to the towers have a different name on them now. Interestingly, I don't know of anybody who wasn't at that meeting who ended up getting towers on their land. This is in central NoDak. 

[F-301066460puller]

17 minutes ago, lotsaIHCs said:

Beware of these people selling the idea of wind farms. 20 some years ago they were planning a wind farm in my area. Florida Power and Light sent out letters and maps to all the landowners and residents of the affected area. A representative met with my wife and me at a nice hotel dining area and showed us how our land was included in phase 1 and we were sure to get at least 1 and maybe up to 4 towers at either $12,000/year per tower for the larger towers or 6 for the smaller ones, depending on which they settled at a later date. He showed us the maps of all our neighbors who had already signed on and where the proposed towers would be. We decided that since we were going to be in the middle of them and we could use the money so that my wife could stay home with the kids, we would sign up for the project. They paid us $1,500/year during the final planning stages. When all was said and done, we received zero towers on our land. We had been used as patsies to make the case that there was widespread approval and interest in wind towers in our township to get the required permits and such from the state and county. During the planning stages, we were invited to a meeting and picnic  for one of the two major political parties, which was  held at a neighbor's farm. We did not attend. The keynote speaker was a representative of Florida Power and Light, which became FPL Energy, then Next Era Energy. I don't know if they are still using that name or not because the service trucks that go to the towers have a different name on them now. Interestingly, I don't know of anybody who wasn't at that meeting who ended up getting towers on their land. This is in central NoDak. 

Yup liars and snakes. They will do anything.... especially that one political party.... 

[lotsaIHCs]

7 minutes ago, F-301066460puller said:

Yup liars and snakes. They will do anything.... especially that one political party.... 

And I think its probably self-evident which one would be promoting wind turbines. 

[pt756]

so last tuesday night there was an informational meeting at the local place where weddings are held, estimated 3 to maybe 400 people there, The energy company did send 2 guys a Cooper and a Dylan, never seen how 2 guys tried so hard to not give answers to questions, what it looks like is the wind companies have a lot of lawyers, it seems that I would have a hard time to give away the land for the 10 bucks an acre they are offering for the start up, especially for the 67 year period that they are proposing, weather you get a turbine or not, it seems that it all boils down to big money that very few of us understand, sure if you get a turbine the payments would be  about 2k per megawatt?  if i understand, so a landowner could get upwards of 12 to 15 k a year, I have also heard that you get paid so much a foot for buried wire and if you end up with a road that also is so much a foot, the way I see it is they could cut a road thru your land to gain easier access to a turbine on your neighbors field? Another meeting is next week at a different location, While these meetings are going on the energy companies are also having there own catered meetings. Only by invite i am told. And  one more question is there a restriction on helicopters landing around these, Somebody mentioned a 2 mile restriction?

[Drysleeves]

8 minutes ago, pt756 said:

never seen how 2 guys tried so hard to not give answers to questions, what it looks like is the wind companies have a lot of lawyers

And there you have it.

This situation describes the current state of affairs in a once great nation, built under God's Grace but now under the spell of The Serpent.

A wise man once said if you're outdoors and stumble on a rock and under the rock is a snake, under that snake you'll find an attorney.

[Jesse in WI]

1 hour ago, pt756 said:

never seen how 2 guys tried so hard to not give answers to questions,

That tells you everything you need to know about what they are doing. They are doing the same to the land owners they are courting as well.

When our township was going through this the energy company got about 6 families to sign up right away. If you asked any of the families to describe what was going to happen to their land and how it was going to be used or how the payment structure was going to look they could not answer any of those questions. They were so caught up on the significant up-front payment (some were $50k+) the utility company was giving them they couldn't be bothered to look into the details of the contract.

The people the energy companies send out to these meetings are just snake oil salesman or failed politicians who will tell you anything and everything you want to hear without actually saying anything substantial. Like certain federal level politicians they are able to use lots of words to say absolutely nothing.

[Diesel Doctor]

Can this really be true? Let's hear from our engineers here.

Tesla said it best when they called it an Energy Storage System. That's important. They do not make electricity– they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, diesel-fueled generators or minerals. So, to say an Electric Vehicle (EV) is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. Also, since twenty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fire plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see? If not, read on.

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car. There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc. Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill. In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive embedded costs.

Everything manufactured has two costs associated with it, embedded costs and operating costs. I will explain embedded costs using a can of baked beans as my subject. In this scenario, baked beans are on sale, so you jump in your car and head for the grocery store. Sure enough, there they are on the shelf for $1.75 a can. As you head to the checkout, you begin to think about the embedded costs in the can of beans. The first cost is the diesel fuel the farmer used to plow the field, till the ground, harvest the beans, and transport them to the food processor. Not only is his diesel fuel an embedded cost, so are the costs to build the tractors, combines, and trucks. In addition, the farmer might use a nitrogen fertilizer made from natural gas. Next is the energy costs of cooking the beans, heating the building, transporting the workers, and paying for the vast amounts of electricity used to run the plant. The steel can holding the beans is also an embedded cost. Making the steel can requires mining taconite, shipping it by boat, extracting the iron, placing it in a coal-fired blast furnace, and adding carbon. Then it's back on another truck to take the beans to the grocery store. Finally, add in the cost of the gasoline for your car. A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just one battery." Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?" And the Chinese just bought most of these mines!

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not! This construction project is creating an environmental disaster.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium-diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicone dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled. Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects. There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.
I predict EVs and windmills will be abandoned once the embedded environmental costs of making and replacing them become apparent. "Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal and are easily espoused, catchy buzzwords, but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.

[int 504]

Additionally an engineer friend of mine told me that solar panels do not produce enough energy over their lifetime to equal their total embedded cost. So each one is a net loser energy/carbon wise.

[Rainman]

20 minutes ago, Diesel Doctor said:

Can this really be true? Let's hear from our engineers here.

 

 

 

BATTERIES

 

Tesla said it best when they called it an Energy Storage System. That's important. They do not make electricity– they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, diesel-fueled generators or minerals. So, to say an Electric Vehicle (EV) is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. Also, since twenty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fire plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see? If not, read on.

 

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car. There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc. Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

 

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill. In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

 

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive embedded costs.

 

Everything manufactured has two costs associated with it, embedded costs and operating costs. I will explain embedded costs using a can of baked beans as my subject. In this scenario, baked beans are on sale, so you jump in your car and head for the grocery store. Sure enough, there they are on the shelf for $1.75 a can. As you head to the checkout, you begin to think about the embedded costs in the can of beans. The first cost is the diesel fuel the farmer used to plow the field, till the ground, harvest the beans, and transport them to the food processor. Not only is his diesel fuel an embedded cost, so are the costs to build the tractors, combines, and trucks. In addition, the farmer might use a nitrogen fertilizer made from natural gas. Next is the energy costs of cooking the beans, heating the building, transporting the workers, and paying for the vast amounts of electricity used to run the plant. The steel can holding the beans is also an embedded cost. Making the steel can requires mining taconite, shipping it by boat, extracting the iron, placing it in a coal-fired blast furnace, and adding carbon. Then it's back on another truck to take the beans to the grocery store. Finally, add in the cost of the gasoline for your car. A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just one battery." Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?" And the Chinese just bought most of these mines!

 

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not! This construction project is creating an environmental disaster.

 

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium-diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicone dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled. Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects. There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.
I predict EVs and windmills will be abandoned once the embedded environmental costs of making and replacing them become apparent. "Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal and are easily espoused, catchy buzzwords, but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.

DD,

JFYI, good response to the greenies,too bad they have blinders on.

I took my F150 to the local Piggly Wiggly grocery store  & got that $1.75 can of baked beans you mentioned above ....... . Now I'm releasing fumes that I can Not smell since I lost my smeller a while ago. Good thing the wife is not home & her cat went in hidding.

[Drysleeves]

Just visited with a guy who essentially lives in the middle of windmills. I asked and he said "don't get me started" because the company ruined tile lines and standing crops without any compensation during installation despite repeated attempts for remediation over 15 years. The constant humming noise is nauseating when outdoors and I even pulled over next to one yesterday without realizing how close it was to check my cargo. Wind speed was a steady 25 mph with higher gusts yet I felt the reverberation instantly and wondered what it was until I noticed there was a giant propeller only 200 yards downwind of my position. It's disgusting to think that electricity customers, many of them thousands of miles away in another state, are forced by the governing elites to fund this racket with taxes on their electricity consumption and punish people and animals with this pathetic abomination.

[lotsaIHCs]

2 hours ago, Rainman said:

I'm releasing fumes that I can Not smell since I lost my smeller a while ago.

I haven't been able to smell my own, shall we say, eminations, since having the WuFlu in September. 

[supermpuller]

 Lots of miss information posted about wind mills.  Every concern posted on this board was handled by are county commission committee in my county. No signing your farm up doesn't take your land away, contracts are  renewed every year. Before the wind mills could be put in service they had to be cleared with county  committee  Next the wiind mills had to get a building permit. Next when you do research don't get it from a far left or far right  source. The truck plant at Ft Wayne In. gets its power from a wind mill farm in Van Wert Ohio. If you don't want Wind Mills on your farm don't get one  but don't tell other farmers what they can do with there farm. When the next meeting comes made sure there is a  ordinance and rules in  writing done by a  lawyer that covers all your concerts.