louie figone Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 22 hours ago, dale560 said: Yes if I remember from the td9 we used to work on it is the same. In fact I think ever ended up using a wd9 flywheel on the td9 one time. The newer series 660 and up use a 403 and 503 combine pp and disc. I am guessing T or TD6 clutch because the picture Thankyou posted, the release sleeve (item 20) has two arms, the TD9 has 3 arms. The picture Thankyou posted looks like it has two arms, maybe the angle of the picture is hiding the third arm. If he can measure the OD of the clutch plate I can measure one off a TD6 clutch I have here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustred Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 3/6/2023 at 7:53 PM, dale560 said: That was the reason I was asking. We had a real nice 650 handclutch. A little weasel pecker and my sister shafted it out of my mom for about a penny on the dollar. A neighbor of ours had a hand clutch 806 with a rd pump he sold a couple years ago. I have seen a few hand clutch case tractors and IH too. This is pic of the hand clutch 650 we had do u still have the john deere D ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I will check more thoroughly tomorrow on micro fiche but what I have in the house are SWD9,600 and t9&td9 manuals wd9 hand clutch is 12 inch 600 hand clutch is 12 inch T9 &TD9 hand clutch is 13 inch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, rustred said: do u still have the john deere D ? 1 hour ago, rustred said: do u still have the john deere D ? The D is still on trust farmstead. We are in a battle over ownership of that. Dad and I actually bought it from a friend of his in 1991. We drove it into shed and it has sat since. Dad had a D his father had that was a year newer or older and he always wanted one so we acquired this one years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustred Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 12 hours ago, dale560 said: The D is still on trust farmstead. We are in a battle over ownership of that. Dad and I actually bought it from a friend of his in 1991. We drove it into shed and it has sat since. Dad had a D his father had that was a year newer or older and he always wanted one so we acquired this one years ago. i see, i got a nice 1950 D just need to find a rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 the 650 over center pressure plate is part number 70100DXB.Which fits WR-9S,SWD-9 ,WDR-9 ,600 AND 650 part number 70100 DXA fits W9,WD9,WR-9 AND WDR9 I don't know the difference between the two but I wouldn't assume they are the same or the old number would have superseded ?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustred Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, hillman said: the 650 over center pressure plate is part number 70100DXB.Which fits WR-9S,SWD-9 ,WDR-9 ,600 AND 650 part number 70100 DXA fits W9,WD9,WR-9 AND WDR9 I don't know the difference between the two but I wouldn't assume they are the same or the old number would have superseded ?: i did not know there was a difference. my brother took the hand clutch out of a wd9 and replaced the foot clutch in his super wd9 with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, rustred said: i did not know there was a difference. my brother took the hand clutch out of a wd9 and replaced the foot clutch in his super wd9 with that one. hard to say what the difference would be but I ain't about to tell anyone it will work and have them waste their money 🙈.but I would take the chance for myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Doctor Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I am guessing it will need a throw out bearing and possibly a clutch plate. Both the over center clutch and flywheel can be machined, if necessary. And since this will probably not be hooked to the plow, there can still be a lot of questionable on these and still work well. Tear it apart so we get a look see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 3/12/2023 at 9:23 AM, Diesel Doctor said: I am guessing it will need a throw out bearing and possibly a clutch plate. Both the over center clutch and flywheel can be machined, if necessary. And since this will probably not be hooked to the plow, there can still be a lot of questionable on these and still work well. Tear it apart so we get a look see? good advice since it an over center clutch. more than likely though the 4 little return springs will be rotted off and I think they are NLA I would soak the entire assembly in cleaning vinegar overnight to see what you have there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtred Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 On 3/7/2023 at 5:24 PM, 1480x3 said: IIRC my 856 owners manuel has a section on the adjustment of the overcenter clutch, but i could be mistaken. mightg be my 806 manuel The 856 standard "wheatland" was the last / largest wheel tractor to offer a hand clutch. There was one on an auction in IA a few years ago. It's the only one I have ever seen or heard of in existence, so I can verify there was at least one built from the factory. It is shown as an option in the 856 parts book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, russtred said: The 856 standard "wheatland" was the last / largest wheel tractor to offer a hand clutch. There was one on an auction in IA a few years ago. It's the only one I have ever seen or heard of in existence, so I can verify there was at least one built from the factory. It is shown as an option in the 856 parts book. I swear the owner of the 1206 standard I worked told me it was a hand clutch he converted. It was early one with stickers and ended up at Minot ND racetrack pulling a packer for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo1946 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 23 hours ago, hillman said: good advice since it an over center clutch. more than likely though the 4 little return springs will be rotted off and I think they are NLA I would soak the entire assembly in cleaning vinegar overnight to see what you have there I made jig to make those return spring for my OS 6 over center clutch. If you get it apart and need those I am wondering if they might be the same. If they are I have the jig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 14 minutes ago, timbo1946 said: I made jig to make those return spring for my OS 6 over center clutch. If you get it apart and need those I am wondering if they might be the same. If they are I have the jig part number for 650 spring 55853D part number OS6 spring 56573D too bad that was a nice offer for the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel9 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I rebuilt the clutch in my SWDR9 5 years ago and sourced a clutch disc from Fort Wayne clutch In Indiana. They can re line yours or sell you new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtred Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 14 hours ago, dale560 said: I swear the owner of the 1206 standard I worked told me it was a hand clutch he converted. It was early one with stickers and ended up at Minot ND racetrack pulling a packer for years. I don't have one in front of me right now, but I did look in the 1206 parts book specifically for any mention of a hand clutch because I have laid hands on both a 706 and an 806 with hand clutches, so I was curious if it was an option on the 12. I didn't find any evidence in the parts book or any literature. BUT, stranger things have rolled out of Rock Island! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Doctor Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Before we try and fix it and buy parts for it, we should know what is broke? Get it apart. Even though it is rusty, it will come apart with a little effort and persuasion from a large hammer. The whole thing comes out the bottom without a split, or it can be split. Get to it! (((((((((((((((((((((Yup, my bad.))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((Was thinking H/M.)))))))))))))))))))))))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Diesel Doctor said: Before we try and fix it and buy parts for it, we should know what is broke? Get it apart. Even though it is rusty, it will come apart with a little effort and persuasion from a large hammer. The whole thing comes out the bottom without a split, or it can be split. Get to it! The standard tub frame tractors clutch comes out of top. After removing fuel tank and other stuff. Also in previous comment not to say anything bad but if you turn the pressure plate much or mess with he levers on a hand clutch it screws up over center throw and really messes with clutch operation and setting. 30 years ago dads buddies jd their 915 separator clutch rebuilt and the pp needed to be changed after that. Somehow something got ground wrong and it would only engage with clutch adjusted so it wouldn’t release. They ran the combine with separator on entire season until replacing pp that fixed the problem. I think it was in the overcenter links they had something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 yes comes out top only, there is no split behind engine on that tractor family like the Farmall H &M. not for you Dale but heres some pics of that tractor. First split is behind the bull pinion gears Dale,I agree if you machine it very much the geometry may get screwed up. I doubt .010 or even .020" would cause issues esp if he puts a new disc in it. taking a big cut off it and a worn disc probably would cause adjustment problems down the road I looked at his pic again it doesn't look all that bad. I post additional info in threads so Google picks it up in the future . If someone don't like it don't read it with all due respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thankyou Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 On 3/7/2023 at 6:10 AM, Diesel Doctor said: Will this be ready for the Black Hills Steam Show, at Sturgis, in August? It should be if I can find parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thankyou Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 On 3/15/2023 at 8:00 AM, Diesel Doctor said: Before we try and fix it and buy parts for it, we should know what is broke? Get it apart. Even though it is rusty, it will come apart with a little effort and persuasion from a large hammer. The whole thing comes out the bottom without a split, or it can be split. Get to it! (((((((((((((((((((((Yup, my bad.))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((Was thinking H/M.)))))))))))))))))))))))) The pressure plate fingers/rods are rusted about 3/4 the way through. I am going to try to get them out in one piece so I can either make new ones or get a replacement pressure plate. The mouse pee ate through quite a bit and stuff is soft. I'm taking my time so I don't tear stuff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thankyou Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 On 3/12/2023 at 7:23 AM, Diesel Doctor said: I am guessing it will need a throw out bearing and possibly a clutch plate. Both the over center clutch and flywheel can be machined, if necessary. And since this will probably not be hooked to the plow, there can still be a lot of questionable on these and still work well. Tear it apart so we get a look see? I want to tractor pull with it and probably do some plowing so it needs to be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thankyou Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 On 3/10/2023 at 5:51 PM, louie figone said: I am guessing T or TD6 clutch because the picture Thankyou posted, the release sleeve (item 20) has two arms, the TD9 has 3 arms. The picture Thankyou posted looks like it has two arms, maybe the angle of the picture is hiding the third arm. If he can measure the OD of the clutch plate I can measure one off a TD6 clutch I have here. It is a twelve inch clutch disk and the pressure plate has two arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thankyou Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 On 3/7/2023 at 9:07 PM, mikem said: I'm parting out a WD-9 with a hand clutch...... I need mostly sheet metal parts and drawbar.... I haven't been as far in as the clutch, so it is still all there... Condition is unknown at this point. If there is something here you need, the biggest expense will be getting it across the state. Let me know. (PM maybe?) Mike I sent you a message. Let me know if you didn't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 25 minutes ago, Thankyou said: It is a twelve inch clutch disk and the pressure plate has two arms. The TD6/T6 clutch is a 12 inch but the part numbers and illustrations are different for what its Worth. Specifically #17 and #20 I don't think you will have a problem finding a proper used one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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