I Wonder - what this will do to crop production?

[Steve C.]

A valid question, I think.  Seems to me like it might be a bit risky.

The UN Discusses Darkening The Skies to Combat Climate Change

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/the-un-discusses-darkening-the-skies?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

[ny bill o]

I went to Cornell 1967- 1971. A big debate was whether all the pollution particles being put out through smokestacks etc would reflect so much heat back into outer space that we were in for another ice age. OR, we would trap so much heat via carbon dioxide that we would roast to death. 

[Mudfly]

There couldn't possibly be ANY unintended consequences to those discussions (sarcasm).

I won't get political here.  But if you want to listen to someone left leaning that has a brain, look at Michael Shellenberger.  He has some great talking points with actual facts on green energy and how it doesn't accomplish what its claimed to do.  Basically if you want to do more to work on CO2 emissions (climate change is to broad a topic) then make as much energy as you can as cheap as you can, and bring everyone in the world out of poverty as quickly as possible.  Really poor people don't care about anything but getting through the day.  Get them out of poverty ($5000 a year world wide) and they start to care about the future and environment.

My goodness someone with a brain that can claim to be an environmentalist with actual strategies that have a chance to accomplish goals.

Hopefully not too much of a hi-jack.

[Drysleeves]

Volcanoes darken the skies and limit photosynthesis. Why might the globalist elites who believe there are too many people on this rock seek to limit photosynthesis?

[766 Man]

7 minutes ago, Mudfly said:

There couldn't possibly be ANY unintended consequences to those discussions (sarcasm).

I won't get political here.  But if you want to listen to someone left leaning that has a brain, look at Michael Shellenberger.  He has some great talking points with actual facts on green energy and how it doesn't accomplish what its claimed to do.  Basically if you want to do more to work on CO2 emissions (climate change is to broad a topic) then make as much energy as you can as cheap as you can, and bring everyone in the world out of poverty as quickly as possible.  Really poor people don't care about anything but getting through the day.  Get them out of poverty ($5000 a year world wide) and they start to care about the future and environment.

My goodness someone with a brain that can claim to be an environmentalist with actual strategies that have a chance to accomplish goals.

Hopefully not too much of a hi-jack.

  I don't know how you are going to get rid of the poor.  Unfortunately, for some it is natural to want to do quite a bit better than their neighbor financially.  I think the Bible got it right when it said the poor will always be with us.  I've been out of college for quite a long time but I remember the motivations of some spoken that if others were rewarded the same as those who put the effort into college that effort was not worth the bother.  The elite in society do not want the lesser to stand shoulder to shoulder with them.

[Mudfly]

4 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  I don't know how you are going to get rid of the poor.  Unfortunately, for some it is natural to want to do quite a bit better than their neighbor financially.  I think the Bible got it right when it said the poor will always be with us.  I've been out of college for quite a long time but I remember the motivations of some spoken that if others were rewarded the same as those who put the effort into college that effort was not worth the bother.  The elite in society do not want the lesser to stand shoulder to shoulder with them.

Please watch.  I can't explain it any better.

 

[Farmall Doctor]

Couple this with fertilizer restrictions... 

[yellowrosefarm]

6 months ago, the media was "hair on fire" about the western drought. Reservoirs drying up, no possible way to turn it around, doom and gloom. Since then, many areas in California have had almost 200% average snowfall coupled with record rain. Pretty sure the whole Colorado basin has had excess rain/snow this year and it isn't over yet. So, now it's "hair on fire" about the flooding. How anyone could take anything these people say as truth bewilders me.  The CLIMATE of the planet has always changed, and will keep changing. The best we can do to take care of people is to mitigate the effects through the cheapest, largest, energy production we are capable of. We can not change the climate, but we can air condition and heat buildings.

[1256pickett]

The year without summer. Known as eighteen hundred and froze to death. 1816. People need to learn some history so we don’t intentionally repeat it. 

[Drysleeves]

47 minutes ago, yellowrosefarm said:

6 months ago, the media was "hair on fire" about the western drought. Reservoirs drying up, no possible way to turn it around, doom and gloom. Since then, many areas in California have had almost 200% average snowfall coupled with record rain. Pretty sure the whole Colorado basin has had excess rain/snow this year and it isn't over yet. So, now it's "hair on fire" about the flooding. How anyone could take anything these people say as truth bewilders me.  The CLIMATE of the planet has always changed, and will keep changing. The best we can do to take care of people is to mitigate the effects through the cheapest, largest, energy production we are capable of. We can not change the climate, but we can air condition and heat buildings.

When others complain about anecdotal weather activity I tend to remind them the Grand Canyon wasn't created by man and his alleged climate change. Pretty sure I'm glad I wasn't anywhere near this place when that happened.

[Rusty_Farmer]

When Mt. St. Hellen blew up ,that was a cold summer. Soybeans were short and yielded one third less. Corn yields were down and moisture was higher at harvest.

Wore a sweat shirt too much that summer.

[cedar farm]

Stalins non-sense AG policy's starved millions of people who lived in some of the richest soil in Eastern Europe. It could easy happen again with the wrong people making AG policies.

[hardtail]

Man's concocted solutions usually generate tomorrow's problems, I have a big problem with anybody committing acts against mother nature for our good, this on the heels of trust the science, there is no trust anymore

[td9inidaho]

13 hours ago, 766 Man said:

  I don't know how you are going to get rid of the poor.  Unfortunately, for some it is natural to want to do quite a bit better than their neighbor financially.  I think the Bible got it right when it said the poor will always be with us.  I've been out of college for quite a long time but I remember the motivations of some spoken that if others were rewarded the same as those who put the effort into college that effort was not worth the bother.  The elite in society do not want the lesser to stand shoulder to shoulder with them.

Poor is only a percentage of the averages, bottom percents, and yes, there is always gonna be that part, does it mean they are any lesser?  I doubt the bible intended it that way, just stating a fact I'm sure. As for college, many have found a better living for themselves and their family from it, prospered well, and yet, "some" of them only proved they could read a book, sit through lectures, take notes and pass a test. Oh, let's not forget they borrowed money for, to party and learn, only for the powers that be are trying to "forgive" 🤔🤔🤔, and then there's the rest of us, dug ditches, worked sweat and tears all day, some making more than others, shovel $h/t, no vacations, and yet, "we" are the ones the college elites call when they need something done😁. Times are turning, dirt, nor houses get moved or built with someone sitting behind a desk.  Just my take on life as it is. 

The plumber, the carpenter , the laborer will be the most desired people before long 

Mark

 

[12_Guy]

The plumber is the first person the educated call when their toilets will not flush. Electricians are going to be busy wiring the chargers for their electric cars. 

[yellowrosefarm]

23 minutes ago, 12_Guy said:

The plumber is the first person the educated call when their toilets will not flush. Electricians are going to be busy wiring the chargers for their electric cars. 

Or the generators to cover for when the grid is overloaded.

[Drysleeves]

10 hours ago, cedar farm said:

Stalins non-sense AG policy's starved millions of people who lived in some of the richest soil in Eastern Europe. It could easy happen again with the wrong people making AG policies.

America has been successful due to it's Founding Principles. When those are abandoned it won't matter if we have abundant natural resources.

[Reichow7120]

11 hours ago, Rusty_Farmer said:

When Mt. St. Hellen blew up ,that was a cold summer. Soybeans were short and yielded one third less. Corn yields were down and moisture was higher at harvest.

Wore a sweat shirt too much that summer.

Wasn't 1992 the same way? Some are volcano in the Phillapines blew in 91 and the ash from that turned the following year cold and wet.

I was young then but I know Dad has talked about how nothing matured worth a damn that year. They were shelling 30% moisture corn in November and December that year In a sea of mud. Finished corn right before Christmas in the snow and back then we didnt work the acres were do now

[Steve C.]

12 minutes ago, Reichow7120 said:

Wasn't 1992 the same way? Some are volcano in the Phillapines blew in 91 and the ash from that turned the following year cold and wet.

I was young then but I know Dad has talked about how nothing matured worth a damn that year. They were shelling 30% moisture corn in November and December that year In a sea of mud. Finished corn right before Christmas in the snow and back then we didnt work the acres were do now

That was Mt. Pinatubo.  The video in the original post refers to that eruption.  That's what the geniuses behind the darkening are trying to duplicate.

It ejected more particulate into the stratosphere than any eruption since Krakatoa in 1883. Over the following months, the aerosols formed a global layer of sulfuric acid haze. Global temperatures dropped by about 0.5 °C (0.9 °F) in the years 1991–1993,^[9] and ozone depletion temporarily saw a substantial increase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pinatubo

 

 

[int 504]

Didn't we lighten the skies by removing the air pollution, particulates, smoke etc.?? I read somewhere this is causing the ocean temps to rise?? Unintended consequences??

[766 Man]

1 hour ago, Reichow7120 said:

Wasn't 1992 the same way? Some are volcano in the Phillapines blew in 91 and the ash from that turned the following year cold and wet.

I was young then but I know Dad has talked about how nothing matured worth a damn that year. They were shelling 30% moisture corn in November and December that year In a sea of mud. Finished corn right before Christmas in the snow and back then we didnt work the acres were do now

  On our farm we mudded out the wheat and the corn grew poorly that year.  Lost a fair amount of money because of it.  Just thinking about 1992 gives me the shivers.  

[cjf711]

10 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  On our farm we mudded out the wheat and the corn grew poorly that year.  Lost a fair amount of money because of it.  Just thinking about 1992 gives me the shivers.  

only thing i remember about the late 80's and all the 90's growing up was HOT and DRY.   I have trauma related to heat and drought...   always feel like every time it rains its gonna be the last time it does,  and fully expect if the forecast says 95 itll be 100 min.   

[Drysleeves]

1 hour ago, Reichow7120 said:

Wasn't 1992 the same way? Some are volcano in the Phillapines blew in 91 and the ash from that turned the following year cold and wet.

I was young then but I know Dad has talked about how nothing matured worth a damn that year. They were shelling 30% moisture corn in November and December that year In a sea of mud. Finished corn right before Christmas in the snow and back then we didnt work the acres were do now

Anything that obscures sunlight prohibits photosynthesis. In this area it was popular to blame the 1992 high moisture and low test weight phenomenon on temperature deficit but it was primarily due to inadequate sunlight. As an example, those who attempt to alternate strips of corn and soybeans demonstrate how the corn benefits from the sunlight advantage while the beans on the wrong side of the corn suffer due to shading.

[Dzldenny]

Come to think of it...🤔 We've had haze from the western wildfires the last few years. Beans were down 10 bushel per acre from our normal. Funny. The water hemp doesn't seem to mind though. Guess weeds will grow no matter what.

[Gearclash]

1 hour ago, cjf711 said:

only thing i remember about the late 80's and all the 90's growing up was HOT and DRY.   I have trauma related to heat and drought...   always feel like every time it rains its gonna be the last time it does,  and fully expect if the forecast says 95 itll be 100 min.   

90s being all hot and dry??  Look up the flood of 1993.