CIHTECH Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 To add some humor to this thread, my little nephew (3 yrs) was on the floor playing with an Oliver tractor, wearing his new Oliver beanie he got for Christmas. He was trying to put a little flash light on the hood for a headlight on the tractor. It wouldn't stay in place for him. Potential son-in-law ask him why he didn't have a JD tractor, as they have built in headlights. Serious as a heart attack, the little fellow looked him straight in the eye and stated "I hate John Deere" the whole family was present for our family Christmas dinner. Everybody had a good laugh, brother said now that's a proud dad moment! 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I thought IH had lights in the hood before John Deere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 5 hours ago, hillman said: I have no idea why this happens on an IH forum. If it starts in the Red Power magazine I am done with it☠️ Its been many years since I was on car forums. Mostly Camaro forums but some all brand Hotrod forums. The Mustang guys stayed off Camaro forums and Camaro guys stayed off Mustang forums. The back on forth on other forums was in good humor usually but not like here, Even on Yesterday's Tractor the JD guys don't go on the IH forums and start the crap . The IH guys on there outline some shortfalls of some IH brands and its not candy coated. What's concerning is the talk continues and very few people have enough pride in the brand to stick up for it. I don't think JD is any better than anything else there was. In fact while every other company was investing in fwa technology JD was just pouring more hp into 2wd which knowing what we know today is absolutely ridiculous. I do know one thing is JD guys are loyal because the company shouldn't have made it out of the 50s in my opinion. IH could've used that kind of loyalty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihrondiesel Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 4 hours ago, Big Bud guy said: Our 8300 is easy to fill no matter what. But in context of this thread I couldn’t tell if the original post was referring to JD or IH because neither were fun filling with a can. An MX Magnum or Maxxum wouldn’t be to bad either. Anything that has a fuel cap you can reach from ground level is better than anything you have to fill by standing on another part of the tractor. Having said that, the only way I have ever in my life put fuel in a tractor with a can is if I ran it empty and didn’t have my portable tank in the pickup. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Farming Enthusiast said: What's concerning is the talk continues and very few people have enough pride in the brand to stick up for it. I don't think JD is any better than anything else there was. In fact while every other company was investing in fwa technology JD was just pouring more hp into 2wd which knowing what we know today is absolutely ridiculous. I do know one thing is JD guys are loyal because the company shouldn't have made it out of the 50s in my opinion. IH could've used that kind of loyalty Have you ever seen a really “hot” 2wd 1586 or a 2wd 5488? I guess they can’t pull anything? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 18 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: Have you ever seen a really “hot” 2wd 1586 or a 2wd 5488? I guess they can’t pull anything? I do tillage with a 5488 every spring and fall and I love that tractor. But do you think I'd like to have fwa in wet years? You bet I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, Farming Enthusiast said: I do tillage with a 5488 every spring and fall and I love that tractor. But do you think I'd like to have fwa in wet years? You bet I do So a 6030 is useless because it doesn’t have FWA, but a 2wd 5488 is a good tractor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: So a 6030 is useless because it doesn’t have FWA, but a 2wd 5488 is a good tractor? I didn't say the 6030 was useless. My comment was geared more towards JD owners blind loyalty. And they were behind on technology in this aspect yet remained in the number one spot. 2wd tractors now are just as rare as fwa in the 60s. Even my garden tractor is awd. Are you saying that 60 years of tractor evolution is wrong and we should be going back to 2wd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Just now, Farming Enthusiast said: I didn't say the 6030 was useless. My comment was geared more towards JD owners blind loyalty. And they were behind on technology in this aspect yet remained in the number one spot. 2wd tractors now are just as rare as fwa in the 60s. Even my garden is awd. Are you saying that 60 years of tractor evolution is wrong and we should be going back to 2wd? No, I’m saying that you are wrong and the high horsepower 2wd tractors 50+ years ago led to the MFWD tractors of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 33 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: No, I’m saying that you are wrong and the high horsepower 2wd tractors 50+ years ago led to the MFWD tractors of today. The only way that the high horsepower 2wd led to mechanical four wheel drive is because they proved that's what was needed. And the mechanical front wheel drive that MM IH and Oliver had led to what is out there today. While the hydraulic design that JD and AC had failed. Coincidentally it was t until JD finally adopted mechanical fwa in the mid eighties that it finally took off which proves my point further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, Farming Enthusiast said: The only way that the high horsepower 2wd led to mechanical four wheel drive is because they knew that's what was needed. And the mechanical front wheel drive that MM IH and Oliver had led to what is out there today. While the hydraulic design that JD and AC had failed. Coincidentally it was t until JD finally adopted mechanical fwa in the mid eighties that it finally took off which proves my point further What point are you trying to make?? Those "IH" MFWDs you are taking credit for are aftermarket Elwoods and Colemans hacked on. And they were offered for other brands including JD. IH had nothing to do with them. Also, coincidentally it wasn't until IH designed the 88 series that used a transmission/drivetrain with built in MFWD capability that it became popular. And I wouldn't call the HFWD concept a complete failure since they were adopted for combines AKA the mud hog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 4 hours ago, CIHTECH said: To add some humor to this thread, my little nephew (3 yrs) was on the floor playing with an Oliver tractor, wearing his new Oliver beanie he got for Christmas. He was trying to put a little flash light on the hood for a headlight on the tractor. It wouldn't stay in place for him. Potential son-in-law ask him why he didn't have a JD tractor, as they have built in headlights. Serious as a heart attack, the little fellow looked him straight in the eye and stated "I hate John Deere" the whole family was present for our family Christmas dinner. Everybody had a good laugh, brother said now that's a proud dad moment! I was thinking that maybe he was going to say that the JD had lights in the hood because they couldn't get enough done during the daytime 🤣🤣🤣🤣 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 4 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: What point are you trying to make?? Those "IH" MFWDs you are taking credit for are aftermarket Elwoods and Colemans hacked on. And they were offered for other brands including JD. IH had nothing to do with them. Also, coincidentally it wasn't until IH designed the 88 series that used a transmission/drivetrain with built in MFWD capability that it became popular. And I wouldn't call the HFWD concept a complete failure since they were adopted for combines AKA the mud hog. The point Ive been trying to make is that JD isn't perfect. The 806 was offered from the factory with fwa. You could get it for a JD from the aftermarket Look it up. And I'm not talking about combines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 11 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: What point are you trying to make?? Those "IH" MFWDs you are taking credit for are aftermarket Elwoods and Colemans hacked on. And they were offered for other brands including JD. IH had nothing to do with them. Also, coincidentally it wasn't until IH designed the 88 series that used a transmission/drivetrain with built in MFWD capability that it became popular. And I wouldn't call the HFWD concept a complete failure since they were adopted for combines AKA the mud hog. The key word here is "factory installed" and most 88 series didn't have fwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 12 minutes ago, Farming Enthusiast said: The point Ive been trying to make is that JD isn't perfect. The 806 was offered from the factory with fwa. You could get it for a JD from the aftermarket Look it up. And I'm not talking about combines You are arguing against a point that nobody has made. No one said that JD was perfect. I personally have some horror stories involving Deere equipment, probably along with anybody else who has ever owned any. A good family friend had some new Oliver’s in the 60’s with MFWD that they pulled 8 bottom plows with. His recollection of the virtues of MFWD in the 60’s is certainly different than yours. They gave up on them mostly because the turning radius was so bad. They were not a good row crop tractor at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 3 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: You are arguing against a point that nobody has made. No one said that JD was perfect. I personally have some horror stories involving Deere equipment, probably along with anybody else who has ever owned any. A good family friend had some new Oliver’s in the 60’s with MFWD that they pulled 8 bottom plows with. His recollection of the virtues of MFWD in the 60’s is certainly different than yours. They gave up on them mostly because the turning radius was so bad. They were not a good row crop tractor at the time. Oh yes I think it improved a lot from the early sixties until the mid eighties. I believe I read that was one of the reasons JD went toward hydraulic instead of mechanical but it proved to not be competent to use full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TractormanMike.mb Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 When does planting season begin? 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, TractormanMike.mb said: When does planting season begin? If the ground was good enough to do it I would drill some soybeans right now just to see what they will do. I definitely hope to drill some in March. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 44 minutes ago, Farming Enthusiast said: The point Ive been trying to make is that JD isn't perfect. Nobody said they were. 41 minutes ago, Farming Enthusiast said: The key word here is "factory installed" and most 88 series didn't have fwa What difference does it make?? Still not a IH designed and engineered product for a tractor that wasn't built with MFWD in mind. The company that got the MFWD ball rolling was MM. They designed a transmission with an output shaft on the front of the transmission making for an easy and clean install for an Elwood axle or any other axle. We had a local machine shop doing it to MM tractors around the neighborhood. Plus both MM and Oliver tested MFWD tractors at Nebraska in 1962/3. BTW, my cousin has a 5488 with a loader and it has MFWD. I assume most 88 series had one but if you say they don't and MFWD only became popular on JD and not on IH tractors despite IH so call leading the way then that's talking in circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 minutes ago, TractormanMike.mb said: When does planting season begin? not any time soon enough. The IH guys are too fat to get into the cabs, the John Deeres won't start and there is a supply chain issue with ether for the Alley Cats 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 purdy gud machine if it werent fer the weak front axles trying to hold up all dem weights.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said: Nobody said they were. What difference does it make?? Still not a IH designed and engineered product for a tractor that wasn't built with MFWD in mind. The company that got the MFWD ball rolling was MM. They designed one of the first transmissions with a front output shaft on transmission making for an easy and clean install for an Elwood axle or any other axle. We had a local machine shop do it. Plus both MM and Oliver tested MFWD tractors at Nebraska in 1962/3. BTW, my cousin has a 5488 with a loader and it has MFWD. I assume most 88 series had one but if you say they don't and MFWD only became popular on JD and not on IH tractors despite IH so call leading the way then that's talking in circles. It may not mean anything to you but the Elwood was an IH dealer installed accessory. And that means more to me than getting them after market. I'm not going to take the time to find out how many fwa 5488s vs non but I'm confident there were more 2wd. I never said IH was leading the way I just said they offered mechanical and JD didn't. I said it wasn't until JD offered it that it really caught on. You really like to twist a persons words. The bottom line is there were tractor companies that offered mechanical fwa while JD was still investing in high hp 2wd and hindsight being 20/20 they were wrong. And the fact that you keep arguing with with me and other people just shows you could stand to take off your green and yellow goggles every once in a while yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: You are arguing against a point that nobody has made. No one said that JD was perfect. I personally have some horror stories involving Deere equipment, probably along with anybody else who has ever owned any. A good family friend had some new Oliver’s in the 60’s with MFWD that they pulled 8 bottom plows with. His recollection of the virtues of MFWD in the 60’s is certainly different than yours. They gave up on them mostly because the turning radius was so bad. They were not a good row crop tractor at the time. I'll also add that I was expressing my opinion to another user and got attacked for it. The really bad thing in my eyes is I actually criticized both brands and the only people that attacked me are JD lovers on an IH forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedar farm Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I only worked on one John Deere powershift. It was a 4955 with FWA. What a labor intensive nightmare. They incorporated the mfd in an old chassis design so there were no engineering shortcuts. Multiple splits. With one split you had to put it temporarily back together for a second split. IH was light years ahead with the 50 series MFD. I worked on quite a few Oliver/Whites with MFD. They too were light years ahead of John Deere in the MFD department. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhiller Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 hours ago, ihrondiesel said: An MX Magnum or Maxxum wouldn’t be to bad either. Anything that has a fuel cap you can reach from ground level is better than anything you have to fill by standing on another part of the tractor. Having said that, the only way I have ever in my life put fuel in a tractor with a can is if I ran it empty and didn’t have my portable tank in the pickup. I only hayed for one family that filled hayfield tractors (H's and M's) with 5 gallon buckets and a big ol gas funnel. Mother pain in the butt. Every one else including me had portable tanks with lever or rotary hand pumps on 300 or 500 gallon gas and diesel barrels. It wasn't till after the boys left home and I had to go back to filling the tractors and swather that I went to 12v electric pumps.😂 We always greased before we left at night and fueled in the morning before we started. Taught the boys: Grease a warm machine. Fuel a cool one! 🤠 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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