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15 hours ago, cedar farm said:

Just thinking about those levers. I used to sell a lever kit from K & M. Must be 30 years ago. They were round chrome and had a way different bend than factory. Wonder if anyone has a set in their tractor.

I have a set of them that I removed from a salvage tractor at work.  Might install in my 1486 someday. 

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Just now, cardinal farms said:

Interesting the first 2 photos are have been retouched as tri -stripe tractors. 

Photographic Center did that all the time. 1256 on the 1968 Buyer's Guide cover has retouched 1206 shifter and throttle levers. Cultivator literature circa 1971 has a picture of a 1206 pulling three point cultivator in a field not far from here. Tractor was customer owned and actually has a fender mount radio that magically disappeared from the picture.

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14 hours ago, bitty said:

Lol. We can give each other work. I want to make a kit for reversing the door on my 86's to like our Magnums. Then you can convert them back 

i woudl love for the door to open the other way on my 5088 but likely will never change it i dont think im qualified to do it

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2 hours ago, searcyfarms said:

i woudl love for the door to open the other way on my 5088 but likely will never change it i dont think im qualified to do it

There was a story in Red Power some years back where a guy put a Magnum door on his 1086. Reinforced the pillar for the hinges and the side window had to become a fixed piece of glass.

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Not sure what happens with all those shift levers that don't work. One of our 14's has over 16,000 hours on it and it shifts as nice as it did when new. Never had an issue with the shifters in the way or being wrong either. I will say I like the leg room in the 88 better. I grew up in an 86 and always liked them. I stopped growing at 6 foot 6 inches and weigh close to 300. The K&M steps trip me up every time and are not tough enough for a big guy like me. I like the factory steps way better. My steps and strides are way too long for those aftermarket jobs. 20 some years ago I worked some for a neighbor who was all green. They always razzed me about my IH hat and if I was going to go get some Deere's. I said no way, those things just make me appreciate my red ones even more. Still love my 86's, wouldn't mind a couple more.

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11 hours ago, Drysleeves said:

There was a story in Red Power some years back where a guy put a Magnum door on his 1086. Reinforced the pillar for the hinges and the side window had to become a fixed piece of glass.

I sold a new Magnum door assembly to a guy who did that to a 1086. He loves it. Bob B. was his name.

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8 hours ago, INTERNATIONAL 1466 said:

Not sure what happens with all those shift levers that don't work. One of our 14's has over 16,000 hours on it and it shifts as nice as it did when new. Never had an issue with the shifters in the way or being wrong either. I will say I like the leg room in the 88 better. I grew up in an 86 and always liked them. I stopped growing at 6 foot 6 inches and weigh close to 300. The K&M steps trip me up every time and are not tough enough for a big guy like me. I like the factory steps way better. My steps and strides are way too long for those aftermarket jobs. 20 some years ago I worked some for a neighbor who was all green. They always razzed me about my IH hat and if I was going to go get some Deere's. I said no way, those things just make me appreciate my red ones even more. Still love my 86's, wouldn't mind a couple more.

I have to agree with you on the K and M step. I would much rather have the factory step on an 86 or 88. 
I do have K and M steps on my open station 66s though and like them on a 66.

My 1086 is getting close to 11000 hours and I’m sure the shifter has never been rebuilt. I don’t see what the big deal is with people complaining about the door. I just don’t think it’s that big of deal. I have owned my 10 since 1993. When it had 3900 hours on it

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On 2/17/2023 at 7:18 PM, Matt Kirsch said:

Y'all are missing the real weakness of the 86 shifters and where they got their bad reputation: After they got a little wear on them they got hard to shift and nobody knew why. There was no Internet, no redpowermagazine forum to tell you what was wrong, no youtube video to show you how to fix it. You weren't going to get any help from the dealer, unless you brought the tractor in and let them work on it. So, many farmers just suffered with the bad shifting and shared their frustration with anyone who would listen.

I would say you hit the nail on the head with this.  Our ability to share knowledge and fixes was limited when the 86 series cabs came out.  My biggest gripe about the 86 series cabs was during certain operations, you were all over the cab.  Shifting on the left, ta on the dash, throttle on the other side of the dash, and hydraulics on the right.  Compared to other brands that moved more of the controls to the right, it was a bit awkward if you were someone who operated other brands.   

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6 minutes ago, Drysleeves said:

Just another reason why they moved the filler cap to the LH fender on the best tractor IH never got to build.

It was marginal on them , was more convenient on the MX  series but not as reliable 

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20 minutes ago, Drysleeves said:

Just another reason why they moved the filler cap to the LH fender on the best tractor IH never got to build.

And that was still a less than ideal arrangement. Even when the tank breather isn’t plugged. 

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There will always be talk about this series and the cabs on them. It's been going on since 1976 when they came out, and will be plenty of discussion about shifting issues and backwards doors in the future. Half the problem with shifting issues is improper dump valve adjustment. It's hard to get out of gear because of it and people get rough and all at once she's jammed up. People who complain about the cabs, I can about guarantee they've never owned a 66 series tractor with a white or red cab on it. I've got a 966 with the red IH cab and I hate that cab with a passion. It's work getting in and out of that thing. 86 cab you can just climb on in. Dad had a 6030 with the Deere factory cab and I had my opinion of it. It was a Cadillac cab compared to a 66 series cab. 86s been around a long time. Many were used, abused, & neglected maintenance in the 80s. Let's not be too hard on them.

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I have thousands of hours of experience with the House Cab on the 66 Series. It seemed like there was room enough to raise a family of four but those same pedals were sticking out of the floor to trip you up again. The white version was much tighter and noticeably more sound proof and the firm close of a correctly hung door at the end of the day would force some dirt out of the filter. The red cab was a disastrous structure where the doors rattled when they were closed almost from new. The Control Center was a welcome change with suspended pedals but climbing the tire on a windy day was so avoidable with the rear hinge that arrived too late.

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4 hours ago, 856 Custom said:

People who complain about the cabs, I can about guarantee they've never owned a 66 series tractor with a white or red cab on it. I've got a 966 with the red IH cab and I hate that cab with a passion.

Amen 

Ive always wondered why the 66 series cabs get a blind eye turned to those cabs and their very obvious shortcomings. But the 86 series gets hated on so much. 

Doors opened rearwards. Fine. But once in the doorway, anyone with any height to them was hunched over while scooting around the center console. Once you hit that narrow point between the wheel well and the console. Your either were stepping over the clutch or brake pedals. 

Cabs were loud period. I suffer hearing loss at 38 years old because I ran one at such a young age with no hearing protection ( my fault) I know when I was done for the day my ears rang running our 1466 and I started running it at 11 or 12. ( Grandpa did a great job making sure he got the 986 and later 7120 and I got the 1466 when I got home from school. Dad was on the 786) 

When did run our 986. It was a joy compared to the 1466. Didn't leave that tractor with my ears ringing. 

Ive said this before and ill say it again. I think in the perfect world. The 66 series were never made. 86 series introduced in 71, 50 series in 75 or 76. Powershift in the late 70s before everything went to $hit farm economy wise. The soundguard wasn't introduced until 73. IH could have had a nice run instead of being behind the 8 ball cab wise. An im no soundguard cab lover by any stretch 

What everyone loves about the 66 series is they were the introduction of the 3 and 400 series engines. Drive train wasn't much different than the 56 series. Controls were pretty much the same. Other than the engine and hood tinwork redesign there wasn't a huge difference from the 56 series. 

You still could have introduced the new engines and a better cab at the same time and made a bigger splash in my opinion 

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21 hours ago, Drysleeves said:

Just another reason why they moved the filler cap to the LH fender on the best tractor IH never got to build.

It has its pluses and minuses there too. Easier filling up by far but if the fuel guage quits on you , you are flying blind. At least with a 86 series you could peer into the tank with a measuring stick and have a idea where you are At fuel wise. Only way to do that on a classic Magnum is pop the main sending unit. Yeah fix it. But in the heat of planting or harvest who wants to stop for a down fuel guage. Especially if its the Auxilary tank unit that requires you to pull part of the left side of the tractor to get at it. Then if any fuel above drain it down 

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