nepoweshiekfarmalls Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I love my 1486! Quiet, comfortable cab with good heat and air conditioning. Great place to spend several hours a day. Climbing in and out is difficult on a windy day. With the implement lowered to the ground, I often leave the shifter in neutral or gear if the engine is off. I sometimes open the rear window to see the drawbar easier when hitching up. My neighbor added extensions to most of the levers, that helps a lot too. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Yes, an improvement. Not perfection. If you are 5'9" or shorter the cab is perfect. I figure someone that size designed it. For a big guy with big feet and big boots, the range shifter Park is right in the way of swinging your foot through as you naturally want to. Just one of a couple of minor changes would have made a huge difference in the cab's reputation, such as swapping Park and Reverse positions on the shifter, or locating the range shifter behind the gear shifter instead of beside it. My main criticism of the backwards opening door is that it forces you back against the muddy tire, where a correctly-opening door is between you and the muddy tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihrondiesel Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, Matt Kirsch said: Yes, an improvement. Not perfection. If you are 5'9" or shorter the cab is perfect. I figure someone that size designed it. For a big guy with big feet and big boots, the range shifter Park is right in the way of swinging your foot through as you naturally want to. Just one of a couple of minor changes would have made a huge difference in the cab's reputation, such as swapping Park and Reverse positions on the shifter, or locating the range shifter behind the gear shifter instead of beside it. My main criticism of the backwards opening door is that it forces you back against the muddy tire, where a correctly-opening door is between you and the muddy tire. Yet the 88 series cab is the same design with some layout changes and few people complain about it. And BTW I’m 6’2” and 240#, you must be a wider profile than I am if the door pushes you into the tire. I’ve put thousands of hours on 86 series tractors and never had that once. Although I tend to leap in & out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drysleeves Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 The 86, 50, and the later Magnum are the same cab framework with internal changes. The latter two have a longer chassis which facilitated less fuel tank encroachment on the operator's station behind the cab, especially noticeable in the 50 Series over the 86 Series with similar dash size and layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass1660 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Drysleeves said: Left handed shifting is no big issue. The doors on the A pillars not so much. Whoever made that decision was living in an alternative universe. If nothing else was changed other than the doors and corresponding forward angled steps like the prototypes they'd have sold more tractors. Doors wouldn't have been contacting tires on a 2 + 2. Windy day cab entry / egress with the B pillar hinge door isn't great but it's way better than that A pillar sail overextending into the hood. Doors never seemed to be an issue after all every vehicle you drive opens the same way…. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jass1660 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said: The 86 series cab was a tremendous improvement over the 66 cabs and it wouldn’t bother me to run one. But nobody can bash a SGB if they the 86 series was the gold standard. Every car, pickup, truck, and semi with manuals that I have ever run had the shifter on the right side. Tractors in front of you or right side. There must have been enough people that complained because IH moved the shifters back to the right side. Everytime I climb in the owl cage variety I have to turn sideways, shimmy around the pto lever and steering column and make sure I bend over as not to hit my head then there is no room for a lunch box. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, jass1660 said: Doors never seemed to be an issue after all every vehicle you drive opens the same way…. There is not a big tire in the way on a car either. That’s why backwards doors worked 4 wheel drive tractors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass1660 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: There is not a big tire in the way on a car either. That’s why backwards doors worked 4 wheel drive tractors Once k&m came with the hydraulic cylinder the point is moot much easier in and out the red ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, ihrondiesel said: Yet the 88 series cab is the same design with some layout changes and few people complain about it. And BTW I’m 6’2” and 240#, you must be a wider profile than I am if the door pushes you into the tire. I’ve put thousands of hours on 86 series tractors and never had that once. Although I tend to leap in & out. With the door only opening 90 degrees to the side of the cab, and the steps being very biased toward that door and the front of the opening, it's very easy to lose your balance and swing into the tire as you're climbing in. If you only have 18.4x34's and they're set out wide there's a lot more room than if you have 20.8x38 radial duals set narrow like I do. The factory door spring on mine is gone, so the door swings all the way out to the hood which in a way is worse. Then either you're trying to hold the door while climbing in, where it can swing and push you into the tire, or you let it swing into the hood so you have to hang out of the cab like a monkey to reach it and pull it closed. On the 88 series, not having to contend with the shifter in the doorway made a big difference, but the forward-opening door still isn't that great. 22 minutes ago, jass1660 said: Doors never seemed to be an issue after all every vehicle you drive opens the same way…. You aren't climbing up a 5' ladder to get into a car or pickup truck. 14 minutes ago, jass1660 said: Once k&m came with the hydraulic cylinder the point is moot much easier in and out the red ones. That remains to be seen. I just installed one on my 1586. I'm hoping it's a happy medium. Climb into an 86 series. Then climb into an early Magnum. Night and day difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 20 minutes ago, jass1660 said: Everytime I climb in the owl cage variety I have to turn sideways, shimmy around the pto lever and steering column and make sure I bend over as not to hit my head then there is no room for a lunch box. Make sure the steering column is tilt up when you leave. If you are having that much trouble getting in them I don’t see how you can get into an 86 series cleanly. And if you are hitting your head in a SGB, how do you have enough leg room in an 86. I didn’t say the SGB was better. I said you can’t bash it without pointing out some of the flaws of the 86 series cab. And they have some admitted by a few on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Big Bud guy said: The 86 series cab was a tremendous improvement over the 66 cabs and it wouldn’t bother me to run one. But nobody can bash a SGB if they the 86 series was the gold standard. Every car, pickup, truck, and semi with manuals that I have ever run had the shifter on the right side. Tractors in front of you or right side. There must have been enough people that complained because IH moved the shifters back to the right side. We got our first sound guard cab 10 years ago (4630). Had a 1586 for 15 years before that. Learned to hate the sound guard pretty quickly. The wheel needed to tilt to the right in the JD as far as I was concerned . Never minded the 1586 . Both tractors we added K&M steps on 1 hour ago, jass1660 said: Everytime I climb in the owl cage variety I have to turn sideways, shimmy around the pto lever and steering column and make sure I bend over as not to hit my head then there is no room for a lunch box. Only thing I thought was better on the sound guard was the external axcess to the electric center, other than that I hates it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 minutes ago, bitty said: We got our first sound guard cab 10 years ago (4630). Had a 1586 for 15 years before that. Learned to hate the sound guard pretty quickly. The wheel needed to tilt to the right in the JD as far as I was concerned . Never minded the 1586 . Both tractors we added K&M steps on We had at least one SGB on this farm from 1981 to 1997. And it was only after that I got a chance to get in a 1086. So what do you think my opinion was? If they were really that great with no need for improvement why did they change them 88 series and again on the Magnums. Anybody can criticize the SGB all they want and I understand some of it. But a production run from 72’ to 95’ speaks for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Borrowed my cousins 4430 for a couple afternoons last summer..I liked running it but I did whack my head a few times getting in and I'm not a big guy. 5'8 ish and 170# 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drysleeves Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said: We had at least one SGB on this farm from 1981 to 1997. And it was only after that I got a chance to get in a 1086. So what do you think my opinion was? If they were really that great with no need for improvement why did they change them 88 series and again on the Magnums. Anybody can criticize the SGB all they want and I understand some of it. But a production run from 72’ to 95’ speaks for itself. Had two of them. Snag your bag on the PTO lever even if you're skinny after you make sure the stolen from Oliver tilt/telescopic wheel is all the way up every time. Control Center would've been out of this world superior and eventually was when they finally produced the B pillar door hinge version. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhiller Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 A nice step up of from my 966. Not desire to replace this paid off 14 and go in debt to get something nicer 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drysleeves Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 If the tally is correct 114,694 of them were built. All of them got retailed without a fire sale like the Four Letter Word company had in order to get rid of the last of the Buzzards when daddy Tenneco handed them some new toys from Hinsdale. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2+2love Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 18 hours ago, vtfireman85 said: I hear people complaining about cabs, and i also see them removing them for open station configuration. Personally i hate the sun, I would take just about any old cab over none. Earplugs make everything quiet. Spent many many hours on a dozer that the Rops rattled louder than anything else, would make your arms and legs and anything else go numb, but it was some shelter from the sun, so i loved it. Bluetooth headphones make it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ky966boy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 They are my favorite do everything I need for them to do. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drysleeves Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Only 1845 total 786's ever built. Couldn't have been more than a handful with a cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 What the heck, I like seeing everybody's pictures so I'll throw one of mine up 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TractormanMike.mb Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I've spent a lot of time over the years in 86 and 2+2 series cabs. The shifters never bothered me but I always thought a foot throttle would have been nice for shifting gears, you could double clutch easier. I also wonder if I could have mechanically possible to have low and reverse on the same throw, it would make shuttling easier like for loader work. Then have high down where park is and park above that where reverse is. One thing I noticed when I first started putting some hours in some Deere tractors with sound guard bodies is a difference in the number of steps in the entry of the cab. It isn't a huge deal but when you are used to years of always starting with one foot to climb into a tractor then you go to a different one that has an extra step and ninety degree turn in the mix it threw me off for a short time. I will say the sound guard tractors were nice to operate, the controls are convenient. The only thing I didn't like was there was more sway if the tractor was set for narrow rows and only had single tires due to the seat being directly above the axle. I've heard even die hard Deere guys say that IH 86 series tractors rode better because of the cab forward design. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drysleeves Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 If you look around the cab forward design has become the industry standard. IH was ahead of it's time as usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TractormanMike.mb Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, Drysleeves said: If you look around the cab forward design has become the industry standard. IH was ahead of it's time as usual. One could argue that case was there as well, the seat in those tractors appears to be ahead of the axle as well. I've never spent any time in one of those so I could say what they were like to operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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