White Farm Equipment/ White New Idea Promotional films

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[Farmall Doctor]

I have the Series 3 movie as well as one on compact tractors, and 3 classes of combines, also seeding. I found them upstairs in a White dealership building. 

[IHandJDman]

Thanks, I enjoy the old promotional videos. If you want Allis Chalmers videos look up J and L videos on YouTube. 

[cedar farm]

We did a field tillage demo in 1990 using a 185 FWA White, 7140 FWA Magnum and an 8830 FWA Ford. We were a White, CIH and FNH dealership. It was interesting the White showed the least percent of wheel slip. But it was hard to beat the full powershifts of the Magnum and the Ford. That was the real killer of our White sales. Non-syncro trans that had been in use since 1977 and to late in the game in having a full powershift. We did later on sell a few of the 6175/6195 Whites with the Funk powershift, but by that time we were selling a lot of Magnums and Genesis tractors and the salesman weren't interested in pushing the White's.

[Farmall Doctor]

2 hours ago, cedar farm said:

we were selling a lot of Magnums and Genesis tractors

I always liked the Genesis. A customer of mine has an 8770 (?) in mint condition. 

[hillman]

13 hours ago, U-C said:

 

my neighbor who is a BTO ( biggest around I think) had one of those White up until maybe 10 years ago, Its gone and the only old tractor is a 1066 Hydro in their fleet , I doubt if that tractor will ever leave

[Big Bud guy]

Thanks for posting.  A White 2-180 with 2wd is on my wish list.  On a somewhat related note, I have a neighbor with an orange Deutz Allis 9190 with only 1,200 hrs.  I think it uses the White/Oliver 3 by 6 transmission.  

[Big Bud guy]

12 hours ago, cedar farm said:

We did a field tillage demo in 1990 using a 185 FWA White, 7140 FWA Magnum and an 8830 FWA Ford. We were a White, CIH and FNH dealership. It was interesting the White showed the least percent of wheel slip. But it was hard to beat the full powershifts of the Magnum and the Ford. That was the real killer of our White sales. Non-syncro trans that had been in use since 1977 and to late in the game in having a full powershift. We did later on sell a few of the 6175/6195 Whites with the Funk powershift, but by that time we were selling a lot of Magnums and Genesis tractors and the salesman weren't interested in pushing the White's.

How was the ride quality on the White??  I was surprise to see in the 3rd video they claimed the tightest turning radius on the market.  But then again the wheel base is like 2ft on them.  They have to be a bucking bronco.  

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15 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Thanks for posting.  A White 2-180 with 2wd is on my wish list.  On a somewhat related note, I have a neighbor with an orange Deutz Allis 9190 with only 1,200 hrs.  I think it uses the White/Oliver 3 by 6 transmission.  

yes Deutz Allis and later Agco allis used the White rear end and cabs from the Workhorse line. We had a White Field Boss 2-105 2wd that had no hood lights I think it was a early series of em, it was easy on fuel and had the pull kinda more then the tractor that replaced it though. Its brakes where bad and the hydraulic system failed on that tractor and would of been to pricey to have it fixed however wish that we had because I really liked that tractor.

[cedar farm]

17 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

How was the ride quality on the White??  I was surprise to see in the 3rd video they claimed the tightest turning radius on the market.  But then again the wheel base is like 2ft on them.  They have to be a bucking bronco.  

Field work they weren't to bad. You didn't want to haul loads of corn to town. The later Workhorse series moved the axle forward.

[cedar farm]

3 minutes ago, U-C said:

yes Deutz Allis and later Agco allis used the White rear end and cabs from the Workhorse line. We had a White Field Boss 2-105 2wd that had no hood lights I think it was a early series of em, it was easy on fuel and had the pull kinda more then the tractor that replaced it though. Its brakes where bad and the hydraulic system failed on that tractor and would of been to pricey to have it fixed however wish that we had because I really liked that tractor.

The 2-105 was basically an 1855 with a Perkins and a nice cab. They relied on gravity to feed the closed center pump. No charge pump. This let to problems of the pump sucking in air as the inlet hoses dried out with age. Those hoses were only held on with hose clamps. The brakes were hydraulic dry disc like an IH. The 2-135 on up to the end of the series were a clean sheet of paper. Very tough drivetrain. But by the late 80's everyone else had a powershift. They still used the same rear end when they put the Funk powershift in front of it. 

Our 2-135 is a constant mesh transmission. My son can double clutch it like a truck hauling corn with out grinding gears. I can't.

[1466IH]

45 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Thanks for posting.  A White 2-180 with 2wd is on my wish list.  On a somewhat related note, I have a neighbor with an orange Deutz Allis 9190 with only 1,200 hrs.  I think it uses the White/Oliver 3 by 6 transmission.  

@Alan Dinan didn't you say the transmission/ rear end was the same between a 2-180 and grandpa's 2150?  I know you didn't care for it but I would love to have that tractor back. 

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5 minutes ago, cedar farm said:

The 2-105 was basically an 1855 with a Perkins and a nice cab. They relied on gravity to feed the closed center pump. No charge pump. This let to problems of the pump sucking in air as the inlet hoses dried out with age. Those hoses were only held on with hose clamps. The brakes were hydraulic dry disc like an IH. The 2-135 on up to the end of the series were a clean sheet of paper. Very tough drivetrain. But by the late 80's everyone else had a powershift. They still used the same rear end when they put the Funk powershift in front of it. 

Our 2-135 is a constant mesh transmission. My son can double clutch it like a truck hauling corn with out grinding gears. I can't.

over the years driving the 2-105 I was able to shift it without it grinding gears into some ranges, by doing double gas with the gas lever and using the two powershift ranges that way it didn't made any noise. 

also the PTO clutch used paper discs that was another tiny weak point on it. And when ya had to repair the clutch the whole thing had to come out on the other hand sometimes would be nice if that tractor would be made again just like with some of the other brands that made some tough tractors. Just like the New Big Bud that suppossed not having any computers in it. 

 

[Alan Dinan]

11 minutes ago, 1466IH said:

@Alan Dinan didn't you say the transmission/ rear end was the same between a 2-180 and grandpa's 2150?  I know you didn't care for it but I would love to have that tractor back. 

2-150

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9 minutes ago, Alan Dinan said:

2-150

isn't that the model with the Minneapolis Moline Diesel

[cedar farm]

22 minutes ago, U-C said:

isn't that the model with the Minneapolis Moline Diesel

The 2-150 used a MM engine bolted to a 2-105 drivetrain. They used outboard planetaries instead of bull gears to extend the life of the drivetrain. Same setup was used on the Oliver 2255(cool tractor). But the MM engine in the 2-150 was a very large boat anchor. The original internal oil pump was poor and the updated external pump was only marginally better. I always thought they were trying to get by until the new series was introduced. Kind of like the red painted Cases. The 2-150 ruined the resale of the 2-155 even though they had about as much in common as a 656 and 1456.

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57 minutes ago, cedar farm said:

The 2-150 used a MM engine bolted to a 2-105 drivetrain. They used outboard planetaries instead of bull gears to extend the life of the drivetrain. Same setup was used on the Oliver 2255(cool tractor). But the MM engine in the 2-150 was a very large boat anchor. The original internal oil pump was poor and the updated external pump was only marginally better. I always thought they were trying to get by until the new series was introduced. Kind of like the red painted Cases. The 2-150 ruined the resale of the 2-155 even though they had about as much in common as a 656 and 1456.

I sometimes wondered about that, I always thought they might of wanted to use up a large inventory of MM engines they still had around. Isn't it the White 2270 that came before the 2-150 its like they just changed the sheet metal on that model. 

 

 

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If only White hadn't killed the Oliver corporate tractor with its revolutionary transmission