FarmerFixEmUp Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 You'd need a remote valve for folding, one for markers, one for the vacuum fan and one for the assist wheels, unless there is an electric splitter for 2 functions combined. I'm not very familiar with the stack fold units. I had a 900 vertical fold semi mounted that needed one to fold and one on the assist wheels. The markers ran off the assist wheels circuit. Had a pto pump for hopper pressure. I had it on a 3688 for a number of years, needed duals and all the weight you could get on the front too. Later on I put a Campbell pull type hitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 A 1200 stacker with ground drive will need 2 remotes.....one set for the marker fold & stacker fold, and the other set for the fan circuit. Your monitor switches the circuit between marker fold and planter/stacker fold. Now....IIRC, the stackers had an extra plug-in in the planter harness near the marker fold/lift valve that would allow you to fold/unfold the planter with no monitor. You plugged in your 7-pin trailer light connector to the tractor and it would power up the stacker fold/unfold solenoid valve so that you could fold/unfold the planter by just hooking up the proper hydraulic hoses and the trailer connector. Too bad CaseIH didn't keep something similar on the later 1200 series planters.....with them, if you have no monitor, you have no planter fold/unfold functions. PITA. You will see the vacuum fan has 3 hoses, 2 big ones and one little one. The little one is case drain....no more than 25 psi in this circuit allowed. Make sure you hook this guy up first or you will blow the vacuum fan motor....more than $1K the last I knew when you make that mistake. Does this planter have what they call the "gull-wing" option? The ones we sold did. When the lift-assist wheels fully raise, there is a linkage at each wing that will raise the outer 3 rows/wing when making headland turns....helps keep the outer rows up out of trouble when making sharp turns. Also, one thing to be aware of....1200 planters do NOT play well with any IH/CaseIH tractor that has a #1 remote priority valve. The first pages of most 1200 planters ops manuals will instruct you to not hook any circuit of a 1200 planter to the #1 valve. The 1200 planter hydraulic pressure requirements are so much higher that sometimes you will have problems with downstream (#2 through#4 remote, also the 3 pt. hitch, too) circuits operating properly due to the priority valve not being satisfied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2+2love Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 56 minutes ago, SDman said: A 1200 stacker with ground drive will need 2 remotes.....one set for the marker fold & stacker fold, and the other set for the fan circuit. Your monitor switches the circuit between marker fold and planter/stacker fold. Now....IIRC, the stackers had an extra plug-in in the planter harness near the marker fold/lift valve that would allow you to fold/unfold the planter with no monitor. You plugged in your 7-pin trailer light connector to the tractor and it would power up the stacker fold/unfold solenoid valve so that you could fold/unfold the planter by just hooking up the proper hydraulic hoses and the trailer connector. Too bad CaseIH didn't keep something similar on the later 1200 series planters.....with them, if you have no monitor, you have no planter fold/unfold functions. PITA. You will see the vacuum fan has 3 hoses, 2 big ones and one little one. The little one is case drain....no more than 25 psi in this circuit allowed. Make sure you hook this guy up first or you will blow the vacuum fan motor....more than $1K the last I knew when you make that mistake. Does this planter have what they call the "gull-wing" option? The ones we sold did. When the lift-assist wheels fully raise, there is a linkage at each wing that will raise the outer 3 rows/wing when making headland turns....helps keep the outer rows up out of trouble when making sharp turns. Also, one thing to be aware of....1200 planters do NOT play well with any IH/CaseIH tractor that has a #1 remote priority valve. The first pages of most 1200 planters ops manuals will instruct you to not hook any circuit of a 1200 planter to the #1 valve. The 1200 planter hydraulic pressure requirements are so much higher that sometimes you will have problems with downstream (#2 through#4 remote, also the 3 pt. hitch, too) circuits operating properly due to the priority valve not being satisfied. How do the rear lift assist wheels work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 The combination lift-assist/gull-wing setup was T'd into the external lift cylinder raise hose. FWIW, we had another operation that ran a 12-row stacker with a 7110 Magnum with MFD for 2-3 seasons this way. I'm sure it was a load for the 7110, but it seemed to work for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFixEmUp Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, SDman said: The combination lift-assist/gull-wing setup was T'd into the external lift cylinder raise hose. FWIW, we had another operation that ran a 12-row stacker with a 7110 Magnum with MFD for 2-3 seasons this way. I'm sure it was a load for the 7110, but it seemed to work for them. But if he uses a 2 + 2 like mentioned there is no external cylinder. Needs another remote then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Yes, the 2+2 would need the lift assist wheels hooked to another remote. Personally, I don't think I would recommend a PPH pump-equipped tractor on a 1200 planter, mainly for issues of hydraulic cooling capacity. Those tractors weren't even recommended to run a single hopper Cyclo planter with tractor hydraulics due to this....a 1200 fan system runs at higher pressures yet. I guess a guy can try it, but I'm not going to recommend it. Then you would also have to come up with a case drain setup for the 2+2 as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2+2love Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, SDman said: Yes, the 2+2 would need the lift assist wheels hooked to another remote. Personally, I don't think I would recommend a PPH pump-equipped tractor on a 1200 planter, mainly for issues of hydraulic cooling capacity. Those tractors weren't even recommended to run a single hopper Cyclo planter with tractor hydraulics due to this....a 1200 fan system runs at higher pressures yet. I guess a guy can try it, but I'm not going to recommend it. Then you would also have to come up with a case drain setup for the 2+2 as well. I don't think the 6588 would be a good fit either. I'm getting so discouraged with all this I think I'm going to just keep running my 6 row planter and wait for the right planter to come along. I don't know anything other then Deere planters and a 1200 case ih seems like it could become huge frustration. Especially if my tractor can't handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I think your 5488 will be fine. You may need lift assist. Here's pics from the 82 and 84 buyers guides. The top pic is a 12 row 800 with lift assist on a 5088 with singles. The lower shows a 5x88 with 12 row 800 with lift assist and 5x88 with an 8 row wide 800 chemical boxes on 3pt with singles, no lift assist. That 8 row wide with chemicals is heavy on the 3pt when full without lift assist. Thx-Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 8 hours ago, 2+2love said: I don't think the 6588 would be a good fit either. I'm getting so discouraged with all this I think I'm going to just keep running my 6 row planter and wait for the right planter to come along. I don't know anything other then Deere planters and a 1200 case ih seems like it could become huge frustration. Especially if my tractor can't handle it. You need to abandon the 3 point stack fold, that adds a ton of weight. I looked for a long time before I found my 12 row Kelderman fold planter and love it. It's only 17' wide when folded, 30' when open. Its a trailing planter so it's light on the tractor, I pull it with a dualed up 5088 and no weights or fluid in back on some pretty good hills. Needs 3 remotes and a PTO pump so there's alot going on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 8 hours ago, 2+2love said: I don't think the 6588 would be a good fit either. I'm getting so discouraged with all this I think I'm going to just keep running my 6 row planter and wait for the right planter to come along. I don't know anything other then Deere planters and a 1200 case ih seems like it could become huge frustration. Especially if my tractor can't handle it. We have a 1200 pivot 12 row that we might be trading in. It is set up like what you need to look for. PTO pump doctor we added to run it. It's not cheap but is a reliable way for any PTO equipped tractor to run it. Maybe they are none out there near your location set up this way but I'd keep looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2+2love Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 3pt is the only way a 12 row planter will work on my ground. I have lots of smaller fields. Being organic I have seeded almost all of my end rows to alfalfa and most are under 60 feet now. So I don't see a hitch pull 12 row working. Another thought has been to build a 6 row 3pt with harvest international row units. I think my 3488 would be a perfect match. Harvest international claims you can plant faster and their row units are built heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 14 hours ago, 2+2love said: 3pt is the only way a 12 row planter will work on my ground. I have lots of smaller fields. Being organic I have seeded almost all of my end rows to alfalfa and most are under 60 feet now. So I don't see a hitch pull 12 row working. Another thought has been to build a 6 row 3pt with harvest international row units. I think my 3488 would be a perfect match. Harvest international claims you can plant faster and their row units are built heavy. I plant 60' end rows with my 12 row, I also farm lots of small, odd shaped fields. We used to farm with a 4 row, a few guys thought I was crazy when I went to an 8 row because they thought it would be "too big". Now I'm at 12 rows and will never go smaller. Dad's got a field it's 1.5 acres. 2 laps around outside, 1 full pass down the middle, and a half, 6 row back and its done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2+2love Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 So this i what i ended up with. Found a 7300 john deere vacuum planter. Replaced everything and switched a lot from my old planter. All together i have about $8,000 in to it. So im running it on my 3488 hydro. Perfect set up for my smaller fields. I have been eliminating head lands most of them are 30 to 40 feet so not much turn around space. I was able to plant some organic soybeans with it yesterday. Everything worked very good after getting things adjusted. The 3488 is a perfect tractor. I also added 9.5x24 tires on the front and i think i like it. So i will have to paint the rims silver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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