jass1660 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 It’s not about getting them hot enough it’s about keeping the heat in the combustion chamber to more efficiently burn more of the fuel completely creating less soot and carbon. Soot and carbon is unburnt fuel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy5488 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 18 hours ago, vtfireman85 said: I am forever hearing about about diesel pickup owners with very large repair bills, catastrophic failures at relatively low miles and lots of talk about bent push rods, stretched head bolts , blown turbos etc. sitting at a light today I noticed there was a diesel beside me, another in the other direction at the same light, both of them had the same design, they seemed to only have idle and WOT, seems a strange way to design a truck. They had to hang back for traffic to clear then WOT until they ran out of road, and then had to go back to idle until the cars cleared out again, seemed to make navigating the city quite difficult, as i drove around i saw they were not alone in this, seems all of the diesel trucks i saw behaved this way. The gas trucks in the same traffic and most of the cars seem to have been equipped similarly to my truck where the have an accelerator that allows a gradual increase and decrease of speed at much lower and more gradual engine speeds. i sent a letter off to the big three explaining my findings, i will wait to hear back and report here. I think I may have helped solve many of the issues I hear about with these modern trucks. if the big three get back to u on that maybe u could send a letter to harley davidson they seem to have the same problem. also harley must not put a idle circuit in there carbs. or computers. seems like riders have to keep twisting the throttle to keep them running at stop lights and signs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy5488 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Matt Kirsch said: Babying them causes more problems than driving them hard. Unfortunately without a big heavy trailer you can't put enough load on them to get things hot enough so the emissions equipment doesn't get screwed up. In school bus driver training, they teach you to mash the accelerator pedal to the floor on the diesel/automatic buses. Either your foot is on the floor or it is off the pedal. No in between. that must be the same school that the brown delivery truck drivers go to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass1660 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 17 minutes ago, hippy5488 said: that must be the same school that the brown delivery truck drivers go to No that is because our “time management specialists” have their routes figured on how many seconds each delivery should take and make them answer when they run over schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paystar5000 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 17 hours ago, Lazy WP said: I out ran one of those trash can tipped, coal rollers Friday night, going through Pueblo Colorado. I know my dually runs decent but his just blew smoke. My wife wasn’t impressed. Just goes to show you can make lots of power without all the smoke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paystar5000 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 22 minutes ago, jass1660 said: No that is because our “time management specialists” have their routes figured on how many seconds each delivery should take and make them answer when they run over schedule. Our UPS guy is super nice send pretty laid back when you talk to him but he drives that truck like he stole it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, jass1660 said: make them answer when they run over schedule. They run over my kid or my dog they will wish they were dealing with their time management specialist. I can promise that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 hours ago, hippy5488 said: also harley must not put a idle circuit in there carbs. or computers. seems like riders have to keep twisting the throttle to keep them running at stop lights and signs Cracks me up. I ride an ancient Norton Commando which, with stock pipes, is almost as loud as an HD with drags. At a light I pride myself on having the old Amal concentric carbs tuned well enough that it will sit and idle quietly without loading up. I don't know why HD riders insist on blipping the throttle, perhaps to be sure everyone notice them. Not a problem for me😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasnake Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 23 minutes ago, New Englander said: Cracks me up. I ride an ancient Norton Commando which, with stock pipes, is almost as loud as an HD with drags. At a light I pride myself on having the old Amal concentric carbs tuned well enough that it will sit and idle quietly without loading up. I don't know why HD riders insist on blipping the throttle, perhaps to be sure everyone notice them. Not a problem for me😁 That's it in a nutshell, its a DICK thing, my carb is tuned fine and my idle circuit is just fine also, the blipping and nhra red light starts are to prove "I'm a mannn, yes I ammm, and I'm tellin you sooo, (Apologies to spencer davis.) What year is your norton? What cc? Used to love them back in the 60s, them and royal enfield had their own look, very kul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poor farmer/logger Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I tend to speed on the highways a bit but overall drive fairly sensible with my truck. I went the other way with add ons too, dpf had been gutted before I got the truck but it had never been tuned so every time it went into a regen it would smoke black. Even siting idling you could see black smoke coming out now just imagine it under a heavy load or fast acceleration lol. I got the truck tuned shortly after I got it. Guy asked me how much extra power I wanted. None I said just turn the egr and dpf off. Mileage picked up quite a bit just from the lack of regens so I was happy enough with that. Snowmobiles are another area where guys go crazy with add ons. Drove a friends sled like mine that had been tuned and clutched. Imagine he’s spent around 2-3,000$ on addons. His words when he drove mine was that’s what I’ve been chasing to get back to lol. He’d had some clutch issues as well caused by some other problems but it kind of went downhill from there. I didnt notice a huge difference in power either. 200 hp is more then enough for me anyways lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Dasnake said: What year is your norton? What cc? Used to love them back in the 60s, them and royal enfield had their own look, very kul I have one of the very last and arguably the best before they went under. It's a 1975 MK III, an 850. For the most part not a whole lot different from the first Commandos of the '60s but came with disc brakes front and rear. Calling them brakes is generous. I put a larger floating front disc with an AP racing caliper and sleeved the master cylinder from 5/8ths down to 13mm. It now actually stops. There are other refinements as well as electric start, well, as originally equipped more of an assist. It now has a modified Denso starter instead of the 2 pole Prestolite and starts like a modern bike. 3 phase alternator lets me keep the lights on too. First bike was a BSA then rice rockets but I only kept the Norton - now about 40 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 10 hours ago, Matt Kirsch said: Babying them causes more problems than driving them hard. Unfortunately without a big heavy trailer you can't put enough load on them to get things hot enough so the emissions equipment doesn't get screwed up. So this behavior is preventative maintenance? 😂 no thanks, i like my Gas… particularly in the winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 12 hours ago, Dasnake said: What year is your norton? Only the coolest ride Nortons: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 hours ago, vtfireman85 said: So this behavior is preventative maintenance? 😂 no thanks, i like my Gas… particularly in the winter. In a manner of speaking, yes. Is running a diesel pickup truck around empty practical? No. Is mashing the fast pedal fun? Maybe not for you, but to some people it is. Isn't it wonderful that we all have choices, and we are all free to choose our own forms of fun? Too bad there isn't enough time in the day to sit around criticizing others for their choices, when it isn't harming us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Matt Kirsch said: No. Is mashing the fast pedal fun? Maybe not for you, but to some people it is. I don’t care how much they beat on their own vehicles, nor do i care what they do with them, however everyone on the road has the responsibility to act and drive in a responsible manner, regardless of if that is a soccer mom, a dork in a rice burner or somebody with a big diesel truck, they also have the responsibility to stay off their damn phones, while many shirk their responsibilities, it still irritates me when they do. Everyone here would be up in arms if some mother and her kid got run over and killed by a drunk driver, you mean to say it’s better when its some idiot trying to set the world land speed record between lights while taking selfies of himself blowing smoke? Furthermore, when the entire line of traffic cant breathe and some old lady walking down the sidewalk with her shopping bag has to stop and have a coughing fit, because its so cool to roll coal, i feel that goes beyond personal choice to just plain being an inconsiderate asswipe. It also gives a bad name to the thousands of responsible grownups driving diesel pickups out of choice or necessity who don’t behave like that. and no, i am not buying that they need to mat the snot out of it at every intersection, if they really needed the RPM they could pull it down a gear, its all about noise and smoke, and there is a time and a place. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 59 minutes ago, New Englander said: Only the coolest ride Nortons: I bet parts are fun to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass1660 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 29 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said: I don’t care how much they beat on their own vehicles, nor do i care what they do with them, however everyone on the road has the responsibility to act ans drive in a responsible manner, regardless of if that is a soccer mom, a dork in a rice burner or somebody with a big diesel truck, they also have the responsibility to stay off their damn phones, while many shirk their responsibilities it still irritates me when they do. Everyone here would be up in arms if some mother and her kid got run over and killed by a drunk driver, you mean to say it’s better when its some idiot trying to set the world lans speed record between lights while taking selfies of himself blowing smoke? Furthermore, when the entire line of traffic cant breathe and someold lady walking down the sidewalk with her shopping bag has to stop and have a coughing fit, because its so cool to roll coal, i feel that goes beyond personal choice to just plain being an inconsiderate asswipe. It also gives a bad name to the thousands of responsible grownups driving diesel pickups out of choice or necessity who don’t behave like that. and no, i am not buying that they need to mat the snot out of it at every intersection, if they really needed the RPM they could pull it down a gear, its all about noise and smoke, and there is a time and a place. All Hail the Electric Truck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 27 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said: I bet parts are fun to get Unlike some other makes the Norton following is huge so every part is available and not unreasonably priced. One could easily build a complete bike, albeit expensively, from new parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 33 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said: because its so cool to roll coal The apparent mission is to seek out the easily identified Tesla and roll coal on it making some sort of macho statement. Blasting a cloud of soot on pedestrians is simply unavoidable collateral damage, they shouldn't be walking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, jass1660 said: All Hail the Electric Truck! If there was a little more thinking with the large head instead of the small one we might not be discussing electric trucks right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, New Englander said: The apparent mission is to seek out the easily identified Tesla and roll coal on it making some sort of macho statement. Blasting a cloud of soot on pedestrians is simply unavoidable collateral damage, they shouldn't be walking. Now I understand… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, New Englander said: Unlike some other makes the Norton following is huge so every part is available and not unreasonably priced. One could easily build a complete bike, albeit expensively, from new parts. Ford 9N of motorcycles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Doctor Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/17/2023 at 4:25 PM, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: I think you will find that idiots driving that way has been around since the horse and buggy days. The five figure repair bills that don’t include a new engine have only started recently. And when the horsepower is at MAX and they are rolling coal, then the tranny goes "BOOM"! Another 5 figure bill. Here's your sign? I must be getting old? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 11 minutes ago, Diesel Doctor said: And when the horsepower is at MAX and they are rolling coal, then the tranny goes "BOOM"! Another 5 figure bill. Here's your sign? I must be getting old? I was born old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 50 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said: Ford 9N of motorcycles? Hardly. The Commando does pretty well keeping up with newer bikes, doesn't have the all-out heart stopping acceleration but is just wonderful on the back roads. 9N has no prayer of keeping up with anything😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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