sf03499 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 So I was just wondering I have a farmall 656 that has been sitting in the shop for a while and not ran. What is the best ways of checking to make sure the engine is not seized? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIHTECH Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Wrench on front pulley?? Don't know the size right off my head but yeah that should work. See if you can turn it 2 complete revolutions. Gas or Diesel engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 It's a gas. That was my original plan but I can't seem to fit a socket up in there or else don't have the right size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Pull the cover off the side of the flywheel and get a long pry bar on a tooth. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Ok. Sounds good thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepoweshiekfarmalls Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 You have a gear drive and not a hydro, right? Asssuming you have a gear drive. There should be 2 openings to the flywheel. One on top where the starter goes in and I believe there is a clutch inspection cover on the bottom of the clutch housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Ya it's a gear drive. If I believe right it should be the cover right in front of the brake pedals that is the inspection plate right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars (midessa) Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Why not put a battery in it, then turn the key? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 It's been tore apart for 9 years. I just want to make sure it will even move or if I need to rebuild it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1958560 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, sf03499 said: Ya it's a gear drive. If I believe right it should be the cover right in front of the brake pedals that is the inspection plate right The cover in front of brake pedals is hydraulic filter, the inspection cover is underneath flywheel and its difficult to get a good bite on ring gear there, easiest thru starter hole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Ok so take starter off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Put it in Hi gear, battery unhooked, and push forward on a rear wheel? Assuming it’s setting on concrete. Guys on here seem to pull tractors out of the weeds that have been sitting outside for 20 years and they run. Yours being inside, I’d probably just put a battery in it and turn the key like Lars said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Well I've been in the process of restoring it for 9 years but with money and other unforseen problems I haven't gotten as far as I wanted that's why I was worried with it not having oil and the oil pan was off for 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksfarmdude Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Only where the starter goes in can you access the flywheel ring gear from above the clutch cover is really hard do do much there look at the oil if its good get a battery hooked up to the starter and crank it over afew times also you can check oil pressure too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 It doesn't have oil in it. I just put oil pan back on last summer. Engine still isn't all the way back together that's why I wanted to try it by hand so something didn't break if it was stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 put in gear, jack one rear tire off ground, turn tire........ grab front pulley with your hand or with a strap wrench and turn..... engage pto and turn....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Assembly lube. Or 30w hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Ya idk hopefully I'll get back to it someday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-C-IL Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I really hope this works for you. Leaving an engine open with no oil that long....I'd sure try everything I could think of to get oil back up into everything. Pul valve cover and drench top with oil, etc. Dad once rebuilt a engine out of a JD 6600 combine, left it sit over the winter with no oil. Reinstalled it the next summer - ran for about 10 hours and ate itself. They told him "You don't let JD engines sit with no oil"..... Hope IH is more forgiving! If you rebuilt this engine with no assembly lube, then let it sit....take it back apart & start over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 I never rebuilt it. I just had oil pan off and changed some gaskets. When I put the oil pan back on a year ago everything was still pretty oily inside. The oil was 10 years old when I drained it 9 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Idk how good it was to begin with cuz I'm not so sure it hasn't been rebuilt a couple times already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Was it running 9 years ago? If so, then it’s probably still oily in there same as it was when you put the pan on. You could remove the spark plugs and pour something in each cylinder (wd-40, diesel, oil, little of each….won’t hurt) then pull the valve cover and if it looks dry, shoot that with lube too. Pull oil pan drain plug and try to shoot pressurized oil Up at the crank? I just made that up. Never heard of it or tried it, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t help a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf03499 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 Ya I ran it back then before dropping the oil. I had valve cover off back then and it was oily. I've sprayed fogging oil up into crankcase a couple of times since it's been apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall Doctor Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Good grief! Am I the only one that turns an engine over by pulling on the fan?? Man, you guys can make things complicated. It would literally take 2 seconds to walk over to the tractor and say yep, it’s free. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-C-IL Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 HAs anyone ever tried something like putting a fitting in a pressure port (screw out plug in a galley) and hooking up something like a porta power pump full of engine oil?? Seems like you could maybe get the engine "reoiled" before cranking it that way. Yeah, I push in on the belt/pull on the fan too - the 656 is got less clearance than some other models to do that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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