84 years ago today

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

I can’t imagine living through that time in history. Never again. 

[Big Bud guy]

What does that mean “never again” rhetorically.  It’s happened a 100 times over since then.  Sorry for being grumpy.  Other events that occurred today related to Germany was Kaiser Wilhelm II  abdicating the throne and the Berlin Wall came down.  

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

11 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

What does that mean “never again” rhetorically.  It’s happened a 100 times over since then.  Sorry for being grumpy.  Other events that occurred today related to Germany was Kaiser Wilhelm II  abdicating the throne and the Berlin Wall came down.  

To me it means we shouldn’t let it happen again. I agree that the thought process that caused this is alive and well today. Maybe “Never Forget” would have been more appropriate. 

[Diesel Doctor]

I am unsure why my family left Germany in 1866 for the USA, but I am damn glad they did.

Think of what it took to sell most everything you owned, get Ma, Dad and four kids to the port, and then travel for weeks on a ship.

Once you are in New York, then they had to get to Illinois to meet the people who already are in the states.

And we think we have it tough.

A lot of other German Americans never had an issue fighting Germany, and probably our own relation.

And yes, it can happen again!

 

[iowaboy1965]

33 minutes ago, Diesel Doctor said:

And yes, it can happen again!

Sadly it can. 

[sandhiller]

59 minutes ago, Diesel Doctor said:

I am unsure why my family left Germany in 1866 for the USA, but I am damn glad they did.

Think of what it took to sell most everything you owned, get Ma, Dad and four kids to the port, and then travel for weeks on a ship.

Once you are in New York, then they had to get to Illinois to meet the people who already are in the states.

And we think we have it tough.

A lot of other German Americans never had an issue fighting Germany, and probably our own relation.

And yes, it can happen again!

 

Mine came in about 1922.

Mother, father, son and brought his anvil with him to continue practicing his trade as blacksmith

Settling in a small town (no longer there) in south central South Dakota.

Kinda like the earlier settlers to this country.

So glad this is where they put down roots.

[mikem]

If you haven't watched "The Holocaust and the U.S.", on PBS, I highly recommend it.

How the entire world could, (would), NOT see what was happening right under their noses, defies comprehension...(and NOT allow emigration)

I am reading "Survival in Auschwitz", by Primo Levi, a survivor. 

DEEPLY troubling, and very inciteful.

Mike

 

 

[Big Bud guy]

7 minutes ago, mikem said:

If you haven't watched "The Holocaust and the U.S.", on PBS, I highly recommend it.

How the entire world could, (would), NOT see what was happening right under their noses, defies comprehension...(and NOT allow emigration)

The same world that allowed the Armenian genocide to happen in WW I.

“Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”  Guess who made that statement in 1939?

 

 

 

[Skagit Farmer]

Unfortunately it can and probably will happen again.  If you ever wondered how the German people went along with the Nazis look at what transpired in the last couple years.  A good percentage of the populations in the western world supported removing your rights, denying you medical care, denying you your job, placing you in camps, etc, because you didn't want the jab.  Fear and propaganda are powerful tools.

As Hermann Goering stated when being interviewed after the war  “It was very easy, it has nothing to do with Nazism, it has something to do with human nature. You can do it in a Nazi, socialist, communist regime, in a monarchy and even in a democracy. The only thing that needs to be done to enslave people is to scare them. If you manage to find a way to scare people, you can make them do what you want.”

[Art From Coleman]

This YouTube series is excellent in its coverage of the atrocities/exterminations of the "undesirables" on ALL the fronts of WW II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuPzyY358mA&ab_channel=WorldWarTwo

Mark Felton also brings up little known events of WW II, but he mostly focuses on the European theater.

It was either Mr. Felton or the above, who brought up the little known mistreatment of the Australian/New Zealand/Canadian and British Prisoners of war, of course the Americans who were captured by the Japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg4zrReTw6s&ab_channel=AustralianDepartmentofVeterans'Affairs

I do not know who made the statement about the "annihilation of the Armenians", BUT it was the "great hero" Churchill, who conspired with Stalin to sell out Poland, to the Soviet "sphere of influence", AFTER WWII.

It was also the British who set up the "concentration camps" during the Boer War(s), concentration camps so filthy and disease ridden that thousands of the Afrikanner women and children who were being held prisoner, died of starvation, and lack of medical attention.

Remember that the Americans fought to "Free the Oppressed", whereas, the British fought to "preserve their empire".

[mikem]

We aren't blameless either...seems like I heard about some American Japanese that were 'picked on' during WWII.

And then there is this....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_prison_camps

(I have at least one relative buried at Andersonville)

Mike

[barkerwc4362]

All it takes for evil to flourish in the world is for good men to do nothing.  Words all of us should live by.  However, good men are often shouted down by the mob, who have been lied to by evil men.  The more I study Paul's letter to the churches and Revelation the more I see what evil men are capable of in the name of "progress" or "humanity".

Bill

[Ian Beale]

FWIW

KFC Germany in it!

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/11/doofus-of-day-1097.html

[russ_alabama]

1 hour ago, Ian Beale said:

FWIW

KFC Germany in it!

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/11/doofus-of-day-1097.html

Wow.   Whoever did that promo just didn’t know, I am sure.  But, the Germans remember their 20th century history… so kfc sales might dip a bit for a day or a week.  
 

My brother lives over there, military lifer retired, German wife and son, etc.   I asked him in the 80s, when the skinhead neo nazi stuff was spinning up over here, was it occurring there as well.  He said **** no, that there were too many German military vets that remembered what they went through… he said every now and then some idiot teenager would go into the pro nazi speaking in a pub or on the street and some 60ish aged vet or two would remember the training enough to set in beating the kid up pretty thoroughly … cops would show up, and let it play out.  99% of the nation now is obsessively apologetic and remorseful for the 30s and 40s.  sure, every so often some cranky old Bavarian will teach his dog the salute or his parrot to say the heil thing (and they’ll give the guy some time in jail).  But it’s rare.  
 

I don’t know what has allowed one country or another to get to that place.  We think we are civilized enough when and where we are now that we’d never go there… and I want to believe that.  We’ve been pretty lucky on safety where we are for a while now.  It’s a phase that I hope lasts a while.  
 

It reminds folks like me that never served to thank a vet.  It ain’t come for free that I’ve not had a fight since the third grade.  

[Brady Boy]

On 11/10/2022 at 5:29 AM, Diesel Doctor said:

I am unsure why my family left Germany in 1866 for the USA, but I am damn glad they did.

Think of what it took to sell most everything you owned, get Ma, Dad and four kids to the port, and then travel for weeks on a ship.

Once you are in New York, then they had to get to Illinois to meet the people who already are in the states.

And we think we have it tough.

A lot of other German Americans never had an issue fighting Germany, and probably our own relation.

And yes, it can happen again!

 

My father use to joke, that we had more relatives fighting for Hitler than we did for Roosevelt. He was on a bomber crew in England. 

[Big Bud guy]

On 11/10/2022 at 9:41 AM, Art From Coleman said:

This YouTube series is excellent in its coverage of the atrocities/exterminations of the "undesirables" on ALL the fronts of WW II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuPzyY358mA&ab_channel=WorldWarTwo

Mark Felton also brings up little known events of WW II, but he mostly focuses on the European theater.

It was either Mr. Felton or the above, who brought up the little known mistreatment of the Australian/New Zealand/Canadian and British Prisoners of war, of course the Americans who were captured by the Japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg4zrReTw6s&ab_channel=AustralianDepartmentofVeterans'Affairs

I do not know who made the statement about the "annihilation of the Armenians", BUT it was the "great hero" Churchill, who conspired with Stalin to sell out Poland, to the Soviet "sphere of influence", AFTER WWII.

It was also the British who set up the "concentration camps" during the Boer War(s), concentration camps so filthy and disease ridden that thousands of the Afrikanner women and children who were being held prisoner, died of starvation, and lack of medical attention.

Remember that the Americans fought to "Free the Oppressed", whereas, the British fought to "preserve their empire".

Churchill was a war correspondent during the boer wars.  He knew what was going on.  Hard to find any leader, country, tribe, clan, religion, and whatever that doesn’t have blood or stain on their history us included.  And the quote was Adolf Hitler.  Made it during a speech on the eve of the invasion of Poland.  

[KWRB]

On 11/10/2022 at 8:29 AM, Diesel Doctor said:

I am unsure why my family left Germany in 1866 for the USA, but I am damn glad they did.

Think of what it took to sell most everything you owned, get Ma, Dad and four kids to the port, and then travel for weeks on a ship.

Once you are in New York, then they had to get to Illinois to meet the people who already are in the states.

And we think we have it tough.

A lot of other German Americans never had an issue fighting Germany, and probably our own relation.

And yes, it can happen again!

 

I obviously couldn't tell you either, but that was a very interesting time in the history of Germany. In fact, there was no Germany yet, but there was a collection of states well on their way to becoming Germany. The Austro Prussian war ended in 1866 and the German empire was established in 1871.

Do you know what part of Germany they came from?

And as for the topic, German history is super rich. Fixating on Nazi Germany is neglecting a ton of really fascinating non fiction.