Another slide down the hill

[hardtail]

Just another example of the erosion of society moral values...and I have been on the business end of a doobie a time or 2 in my past 🤪

[nomorejohndeere]

40 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

But making pot legal or decriminalization doesn't seem to me to be one of them.

You have the right to vote how you wish

Do so informed as not to cause harm to others as you don't have an iron in this fire..........

[iowaboy1965]

1 minute ago, nomorejohndeere said:

You have the right to vote how you wish

Do so informed as not to cause harm to others as you don't have an iron in this fire..........

I would say the same sir.  Many different forms of harm.

  But your right we may all vote as we wish and I hope as many as possible do so.

[acem]

Interestingly governments have been on both sides of recreational drug use. The British fought two wars with China over their right in sell opium there.

Herion is a concentrated Opium. Fentanyl is concentrated synthetic Opium/Herion. Morphine, oxytocin, etc are all options. They are all the same when they get in your blood stream.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars&ved=2ahUKEwjJvNPP2Zn7AhVRmWoFHf7xDF8QmhN6BAgSEAI&usg=AOvVaw1XI1_EcEs_T02F1iu71HnD

 

[forwhldrv]

Working in the concrete industry we have poured so many grow buildings and dispensaries it absolutely ridiculous. You walk into any store and wait in line long enough and someone is in line reading of it after they just smoked yo before coming into the grocery store  because maybe the stress of food shopping is to much. You see it being smoked all over with Cheech  and Chong  smoke rolling out the windows of cars. The town just west of us someone put up a big grow house 4-5 years ago in a field then last year they put up a new building for sales and are in the process of expanding the grow facility  by 3 times more the funniest part is the town doesn’t allow drive throughs for food service but the pot shop is allowed to have a drive through window as long as you don’t buy edibles. 

[hardtail]

The problem the British had with China and their dock workers was no worker production all being stoned on opium when it was time to load/unload their ships...thus the first rules on substance abuse, it's not a problem til it is a problem

Cooking up a batch of Puff Daddies bacon as we speak, have to credit a stoner with a great recipe for the munchies, no addition herb required 

[jeeper61]

32 minutes ago, hardtail said:

Just another example of the erosion of society moral values...and I have been on the business end of a doobie a time or 2 in my past 🤪

Yes we just keep sliding down the hill to where everything goes and the "man" don't care because he's getting a cut.

 

[yellowrosefarm]

https://wina.com/news/064460-driver-in-deadly-trash-truck-versus-train-crash-found-not-guilty/

I'll never forget this from 2018. Driver of the truck was totally stoned when he tried to beat the train through the crossing. But they couldn't convict him because there was no standard of impairment for THC, and there still isn't.  I see and smell MJ everywhere around here. Some people in the stores smell so offensively strong of it, it's literally nauseating.

[hardtail]

Another opportunity for people to escape reality when really the alarm bells should be ringing 

Police up here have a roadside sobriety kit for weed but I seriously question its accuracy as they have a pupil dilation comparison chart probably right after they have shined their flashlight in your eyes, you could be on prescription medications but that's a whole other can

[hardtail]

 

 

[jeeper61]

4 minutes ago, hardtail said:

Police up here have a roadside sobriety kit for weed but I seriously question its accuracy

Just another way to increase revenue 

[Hot Plug]

4 hours ago, hardtail said:

 

 

There's some good acting right there Eh ???

 

               HP 

[766 Man]

  I don't know if I was told true but my understanding is failing a sobriety test for pot is not legitimate grounds for termination of employment.  Contrast that with coming to work with a high alcohol blood test leading to automatic termination.  Sounds like it would be very difficult to be rid of a serious user for an employer.  Productivity lost and liability depending on the job in question.  

[jeeper61]

While the HR folks may seem to be woke liberals they have no tolerance for violation of the rules at my place 

They have terminated folks for smoking and vaping on the property.

We are Tabaco free as well so if a cloud is coming out of your car and they see it you are gone    

[acem]

I'm for legalization but I want it done right. It should be regulated and taxed heavily.

The taxes should cover all the cost associated with the use of the particular drug. Cost of government oversight, (BATFe). Rehab for addicts. Medical problems related you it's use. Etc...

People are using it anyway. Now the money is going to criminals here and abroad. Our drug problems are destroying Mexico.

IMHO YMMV  

[766 Man]

33 minutes ago, acem said:

I'm for legalization but I want it done right. It should be regulated and taxed heavily.

The taxes should cover all the cost associated with the use of the particular drug. Cost of government oversight, (BATFe). Rehab for addicts. Medical problems related you it's use. Etc...

People are using it anyway. Now the money is going to criminals here and abroad. Our drug problems are destroying Mexico.

IMHO YMMV  

  The more the pot is taxed the more likely a black market is to thrive.  At least around here you don't have to go to the inner city to buy it.  As a matter of fact since this is a tractor site I will say that I have had a tractor parts seller (private) offer to sell it to me.  The criminals will still be around but are wising up in knowing that using hardened gang types will scare away potential customers.  Yes, people are using so the cops do not need to kick in every last door in hunting for possessors of it.  Unless there has been serious advancement on the rehab front I would be very skeptical of anything offered being long lasting.  Other countrys' problems are often rooted in failed cultural norms.  

[Farmall Doctor]

Well, in our rural communities in this area, crime has gone up since the decriminalisation… you can’t run into the variety store for a pack of smokes and leave your truck running in the cold, it will be stolen while you wait in line for all of two minutes. The druggies have figured out that we are easy targets outside of the city. 

[poor farmer/logger]

16 minutes ago, Farmall Doctor said:

Well, in our rural communities in this area, crime has gone up since the decriminalisation… you can’t run into the variety store for a pack of smokes and leave your truck running in the cold, it will be stolen while you wait in line for all of two minutes. The druggies have figured out that we are easy targets outside of the city. 

I’ve seen things really go downhill here the last few years too. Not sure it’s anything to do with the legalization here though. It’s more the harder drugs like fentanyl and cocaine. Prince Albert used to be a somewhat clean town but these days you’re looking over your shoulder all the time now. One of my old school teachers got held up at gun point this summer. Guy came up looking for money  and he told him to go get a fn job. Pulled a gun on him after that. Every time we go into town there we see something you wouldn’t expect in a city of 30,000.  Homelessness is rampant and theft is through the roof.  Gangs have really moved in too. 

[766 Man]

11 minutes ago, poor farmer/logger said:

I’ve seen things really go downhill here the last few years too. Not sure it’s anything to do with the legalization here though. It’s more the harder drugs like fentanyl and cocaine. Prince Albert used to be a somewhat clean town but these days you’re looking over your shoulder all the time now. One of my old school teachers got held up at gun point this summer. Guy came up looking for money  and he told him to go get a fn job. Pulled a gun on him after that. Every time we go into town there we see something you wouldn’t expect in a city of 30,000.  Homelessness is rampant and theft is through the roof.  Gangs have really moved in too. 

  Hard drugs are exploding because society has defaulted to an "anything goes" setting.  Gonna get worse as more jobs are lost to automation and artificial intelligence.  More people are going to have more free time to fill in their lives and playing checkers does not cut it for them.  

[Farmall Doctor]

With pot being normalized, even encouraged, it takes the pressure off of the hard drugs too. Our town is 2900 regular citizens, but just go to The city 20 minutes away, and they will provide drugs, needles, and a safe police free place to shoot up until you overdose, then they give you the government funded medications to bring you back to life…. Repeat, ad nauseum. 

 

[766 Man]

6 hours ago, jeeper61 said:

While the HR folks may seem to be woke liberals they have no tolerance for violation of the rules at my place 

They have terminated folks for smoking and vaping on the property.

We are Tabaco free as well so if a cloud is coming out of your car and they see it you are gone    

  "Tobacco is for old farts who are too set in their ways and too stupid to try anything new" said any person under the age of 45.  "Also, pot is healthy as the day is long" said by the same people.  News to me as I have seen repeated studies showing pot has a higher tar content per volume versus tobacco.  Don't matter to me as I use neither.  

[766 Man]

1 minute ago, Farmall Doctor said:

With pot being normalized, even encouraged, it takes the pressure off of the hard drugs too. Our town is 2900 regular citizens, but just go to The city 20 minutes away, and they will provide drugs, needles, and a safe police free place to shoot up until you overdose, then they give you the government funded medications to bring you back to life…. Repeat, ad nauseum. 

 

  I've read nothing showing hard drugs have declined in use in places where pot has been legal.  I would guess people have become tight lipped as to true consumption and pot talk has taken the search light off of some other drugs such as cocaine.  

[Farmall Doctor]

Cocaine is for old farts who are too set in their ways too… lol. A customer of mine is a lawyer and he wants to quit because all of the druggies have become SO stupid with these new drugs. He says cocaine is child’s play compared to what we are dealing with now. 

[Farmall Doctor]

6 hours ago, jeeper61 said:

While the HR folks may seem to be woke liberals they have no tolerance for violation of the rules at my place 

They have terminated folks for smoking and vaping on the property.

We are Tabaco free as well so if a cloud is coming out of your car and they see it you are gone    

No Tobacco products allowed at all? Now that’s grounds for quitting such a liberal minded place! Haha. At least a smoke break does not impair you like drugs or booze. 

[766 Man]

2 minutes ago, Farmall Doctor said:

Cocaine is for old farts who are too set in their ways too… lol. A customer of mine is a lawyer and he wants to quit because all of the druggies have become SO stupid with these new drugs. He says cocaine is child’s play compared to what we are dealing with now. 

  I would agree that the risk is far higher with today's favorites.  But anytime the subject of cocaine comes up the feeling is the usage has not change appreciably since the glory days of the 1970's and 1980's.  Most likely the same old farts are hitting it as hard as they ever did.