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Missouri has put legalized recreational marijuana on the Nov.8th ballot. The ballot measure,called prop.3.took up five pages of small print in the local paper. I didn't waste my time reading it but i can guarantee it is filled with B.S. that is set up to make politicians and their buddies wealthy.

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1 hour ago, from H to 80 said:

i can guarantee it is filled with B.S. that is set up to make politicians and their buddies wealthy.

A secondary affect, but the real reason is to continue the "dumbing down" of America.

Look at those who support these legalization proposals, and you see why they want to get others to join in.

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Its gonna happen legal or not

pretending like legislation is gonna make it better or worse, more or less, left or right misses the point

peoples lives and families shouldn't be torn apart, i.e. kids without dads, over what grows in a ditch

it might as well be making politicians wealthy as opposed to making monsters out of cartels

and it reduces law enforcement stress at all levels as what was illegal now gets a free pass

 

 

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7 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said:

it might as well be making politicians wealthy 

That is why it's being done

They don't need to tax it separately they are already getting taxes from the business owners profits   

And it keeps the door open for the black market because they can sell cheaper with out the tax 

What bothers me most is they will normalize harder drugs 

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12 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said:

Like alcohol?

 

Like Heroin and Fentanyl 

You don't have to have 10 beers moderation is the key 

But one dose of Heroin or Fentanyl can give you a dirt nap there is no moderation with that stuff

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Drug addition is a mental Illness and always has been and will be one.  SO all taxes collected from the sale of enabling drugs should should be used for medical research toward the elimination of demand for addictive drugs. Addicts do not get free enabling drugs, society pays for all of the mess one way or another.

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I always thought decriminalization instead of legal was a better route, lots of pros and cons, they legalized it here a few years ago and initially lots of big company producers but that has decreased as they fell on harder times, govt still makes their tax revenues...

I always thought there was 4 sins, alcohol, drugs, gambling and prostitution, our govt is in 3 of 4, kind of hypocritical, either get in the sin business or get out, don't pick which are tasteful or not, so either bring on the hookers or prohibition 

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46 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

There is a difference?

somebody is going to make money

so therefore to complain who that somebody is makes no difference

decriminalization is a great option over legalizing as there would be no laws regarding it to interpret, enforce, or make money off of but that's not on the ballot afaik

there are and have been many laws on the books covering drugs and those who are caught with them and the system is not and has not worked well.  For either side.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, nomorejohndeere said:

somebody is going to make money

so therefore to complain who that somebody is makes no difference

decriminalization is a great option over legalizing as there would be no laws regarding it to interpret, enforce, or make money off of but that's not on the ballot afaik

there are and have been many laws on the books covering drugs and those who are caught with them and the system is not and has not worked well.  For either side.

 

 

 

 

There are a great many things that laws don't stop. Are you suggesting we do away with all laws because folks will break them any way? Murder and rape ok with you? There are many more examples of course.

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1 hour ago, iowaboy1965 said:

There are a great many things that laws don't stop. Are you suggesting we do away with all laws because folks will break them any way? Murder and rape ok with you? There are many more examples of course.

That sounds very desperate as a defense

I notice you didn't mention alcohol or parking tickets..........or trucker log books...........or living in a van

Kinda leaped from a personal choice to somebody else making the choice for you.

Of course is not ok to commit capital offenses

sorry for the confusion

 

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15 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said:

That sounds very desperate as a defense

I notice you didn't mention alcohol or parking tickets..........or trucker log books...........or living in a van

Kinda leaped from a personal choice to somebody else making the choice for you.

Of course is not ok to commit capital offenses

sorry for the confusion

 

Merely pointing out that it's a progression.  Make something questionable ok then it's only a matter of time before someone says hey this or that other thing isn't all that bad. Let's make it ok too. 

Ok what about parking tickets or alcohol or trucker log books? Folks don't follow the rules on those either so should we just do away with the rules? I did say there were many more examples I just chose a couple of extreme examples. Personal choice? Well when it comes down to it most or maybe all laws could be considered a choice. People chose to break any number of laws daily. 

I dont consider my defense desperate at all, rather quite logical. I would say the line of reasoning you take to be more desperate personally. But that's my opinion. 

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4 hours ago, iowaboy1965 said:

People chose to break any number of laws daily. 

Not necessiarially, I seem to remember seeing/reading somewhere that most people unknowingly commit at least three felonies a day, thanks to our great legislators, both state and federal, criminalizing almost everything, AND the constant demands by law enforcement to pass legislation to make the public 'safer', and/or to make them 'safer'.

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If you reside in America and it is dinnertime, you have almost certainly broken the law. In his book Three Felonies a Day, civil-liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate estimates that the average person unknowingly breaks at least three federal criminal laws every day.Oct 12, 2011

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This is only further evidence of everything out there that can get a person in over their head with the law. The belief is that the number of felonies an average person commits daily is three. Yes, that's right, the average person is thought to commit at least three felonies a day.Sep 26, 2022

How Many Felonies Does The Average Person Commit In A ...

A textbook example of "give them an inch, and they WILL take a mile", or "once the camel gets its nose under the tent".

The current demands, and subsequent passage of these onerous "red-flag" laws ARE a great example of how law enforcement is NOT as PRO-Second Amendment as they would have you believe.  How in God's name can someone, who may have nothing more than a GED, and with only the barest medical 'training', make a diagnoses that denies a person both his Constitutional Right to "keep and bear arms", and his Constitutional Right to "due process", with little to NO hope of ever having his legally owned firearms ever returned.  A "diagnoses" that might take a licensed professional months or years of observation to determine that person's mental state.  (But it is a great way to add to someone's collection, or provide "throw down" weapons for the department.)

No, government overreach and intrusion has come very close to destroying what the Founders envisioned and GAVE us.

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3 hours ago, Art From Coleman said:

Not necessiarially, I seem to remember seeing/reading somewhere that most people unknowingly commit at least three felonies a day, thanks to our great legislators, both state and federal, criminalizing almost everything, AND the constant demands by law enforcement to pass legislation to make the public 'safer', and/or to make them 'safer'.

And, a little more current:

A textbook example of "give them an inch, and they WILL take a mile", or "once the camel gets its nose under the tent".

The current demands, and subsequent passage of these onerous "red-flag" laws ARE a great example of how law enforcement is NOT as PRO-Second Amendment as they would have you believe.  How in God's name can someone, who may have nothing more than a GED, and with only the barest medical 'training', make a diagnoses that denies a person both his Constitutional Right to "keep and bear arms", and his Constitutional Right to "due process", with little to NO hope of ever having his legally owned firearms ever returned.  A "diagnoses" that might take a licensed professional months or years of observation to determine that person's mental state.  (But it is a great way to add to someone's collection, or provide "throw down" weapons for the department.)

No, government overreach and intrusion has come very close to destroying what the Founders envisioned and GAVE us.

Art I don't disagree with you on all or most of this. My point however is some would have us throw out all laws and whatever you feel like is ok. I'm thinking the no bail thing currently being pushed in some states  up to and including killing someone. Yes there are a lot of things that need revisited and changed or taken out. 

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I slid off the hill some with the 2366 yesterday.....

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