jeeper61 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Smoke up Johnny! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacAR Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, acem said: Smoke up Johnny! Get ready Ace, I'm afraid we're next! Mac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 When I read the title I thought it was a post about old age. I was ready to tell some of my stories. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Doctor Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 South Dakota has the legalization of recreational WEED on the ballot on Tuesday. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2+2love Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 A step in the right direction. So much better then alcohol!!!! Now Wisconsin will be the last state to legalize. I think it has a lot to do with the tavern league. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I support the legalization but not this initiative. It's a get rich scheme for a few people. https://mjbizdaily.com/arkansas-marijuana-legalization-trump-south-equity-police/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from H to 80 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Missouri has put legalized recreational marijuana on the Nov.8th ballot. The ballot measure,called prop.3.took up five pages of small print in the local paper. I didn't waste my time reading it but i can guarantee it is filled with B.S. that is set up to make politicians and their buddies wealthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Its gonna happen legal or not pretending like legislation is gonna make it better or worse, more or less, left or right misses the point peoples lives and families shouldn't be torn apart, i.e. kids without dads, over what grows in a ditch it might as well be making politicians wealthy as opposed to making monsters out of cartels and it reduces law enforcement stress at all levels as what was illegal now gets a free pass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share Posted November 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said: it might as well be making politicians wealthy That is why it's being done They don't need to tax it separately they are already getting taxes from the business owners profits And it keeps the door open for the black market because they can sell cheaper with out the tax What bothers me most is they will normalize harder drugs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Just now, jeeper61 said: What bothers me most is they will normalize harder drugs Like alcohol? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share Posted November 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said: Like alcohol? Like Heroin and Fentanyl You don't have to have 10 beers moderation is the key But one dose of Heroin or Fentanyl can give you a dirt nap there is no moderation with that stuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I truly don't understand why some people subject themselves to the stuff they do those people are going to do that anyways Thankfully those choices are not on the ballot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleman Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Drug addition is a mental Illness and always has been and will be one. SO all taxes collected from the sale of enabling drugs should should be used for medical research toward the elimination of demand for addictive drugs. Addicts do not get free enabling drugs, society pays for all of the mess one way or another. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I always thought decriminalization instead of legal was a better route, lots of pros and cons, they legalized it here a few years ago and initially lots of big company producers but that has decreased as they fell on harder times, govt still makes their tax revenues... I always thought there was 4 sins, alcohol, drugs, gambling and prostitution, our govt is in 3 of 4, kind of hypocritical, either get in the sin business or get out, don't pick which are tasteful or not, so either bring on the hookers or prohibition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, nomorejohndeere said: might as well be making politicians wealthy as opposed to making monsters out of cartels There is a difference? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 46 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said: There is a difference? somebody is going to make money so therefore to complain who that somebody is makes no difference decriminalization is a great option over legalizing as there would be no laws regarding it to interpret, enforce, or make money off of but that's not on the ballot afaik there are and have been many laws on the books covering drugs and those who are caught with them and the system is not and has not worked well. For either side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowrosefarm Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 The biggest problem I see is that states are legalizing it before they establish a standard by which someone is deemed impaired. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 hours ago, nomorejohndeere said: somebody is going to make money so therefore to complain who that somebody is makes no difference decriminalization is a great option over legalizing as there would be no laws regarding it to interpret, enforce, or make money off of but that's not on the ballot afaik there are and have been many laws on the books covering drugs and those who are caught with them and the system is not and has not worked well. For either side. There are a great many things that laws don't stop. Are you suggesting we do away with all laws because folks will break them any way? Murder and rape ok with you? There are many more examples of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, iowaboy1965 said: There are a great many things that laws don't stop. Are you suggesting we do away with all laws because folks will break them any way? Murder and rape ok with you? There are many more examples of course. That sounds very desperate as a defense I notice you didn't mention alcohol or parking tickets..........or trucker log books...........or living in a van Kinda leaped from a personal choice to somebody else making the choice for you. Of course is not ok to commit capital offenses sorry for the confusion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said: That sounds very desperate as a defense I notice you didn't mention alcohol or parking tickets..........or trucker log books...........or living in a van Kinda leaped from a personal choice to somebody else making the choice for you. Of course is not ok to commit capital offenses sorry for the confusion Merely pointing out that it's a progression. Make something questionable ok then it's only a matter of time before someone says hey this or that other thing isn't all that bad. Let's make it ok too. Ok what about parking tickets or alcohol or trucker log books? Folks don't follow the rules on those either so should we just do away with the rules? I did say there were many more examples I just chose a couple of extreme examples. Personal choice? Well when it comes down to it most or maybe all laws could be considered a choice. People chose to break any number of laws daily. I dont consider my defense desperate at all, rather quite logical. I would say the line of reasoning you take to be more desperate personally. But that's my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Art From Coleman said: Not necessiarially, I seem to remember seeing/reading somewhere that most people unknowingly commit at least three felonies a day, thanks to our great legislators, both state and federal, criminalizing almost everything, AND the constant demands by law enforcement to pass legislation to make the public 'safer', and/or to make them 'safer'. And, a little more current: A textbook example of "give them an inch, and they WILL take a mile", or "once the camel gets its nose under the tent". The current demands, and subsequent passage of these onerous "red-flag" laws ARE a great example of how law enforcement is NOT as PRO-Second Amendment as they would have you believe. How in God's name can someone, who may have nothing more than a GED, and with only the barest medical 'training', make a diagnoses that denies a person both his Constitutional Right to "keep and bear arms", and his Constitutional Right to "due process", with little to NO hope of ever having his legally owned firearms ever returned. A "diagnoses" that might take a licensed professional months or years of observation to determine that person's mental state. (But it is a great way to add to someone's collection, or provide "throw down" weapons for the department.) No, government overreach and intrusion has come very close to destroying what the Founders envisioned and GAVE us. Art I don't disagree with you on all or most of this. My point however is some would have us throw out all laws and whatever you feel like is ok. I'm thinking the no bail thing currently being pushed in some states up to and including killing someone. Yes there are a lot of things that need revisited and changed or taken out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I slid off the hill some with the 2366 yesterday..... 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, iowaboy1965 said: Yes there are a lot of things that need revisited and changed or taken out. Exactly welcome to the party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said: Exactly welcome to the party But making pot legal or decriminalization doesn't seem to me to be one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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