Farmall1066 Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 Update on the 1566/68, it is mine, according to the owner. I tried for about 3-4 hours yesterday, and another 2 hours today to get it running, with no go. I started by cracking the oil pan drain plug, that was interesting! About 1-2 gallons of clear water came out (broken exhaust pipe) so oil go changed. Today we came to the conclusion that the pump is either, not getting fuel, or the transfer pump isn’t working?! Would water on top of the pistons cause it to crank harder than normal? It’s not hydro locking, just won’t crank very long before batteries wear down, even with a charger on them. With some ether today, it acts like it wants to start, but no fuel is spraying out of the head of the pump. It’s not good, but I was actually hoping that it would run on ether if only for a few seconds, but it won’t, that’s where I’m wondering if the pistons may have a little water on top of them? It may have to wait until spring, or just back out of the deal?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.B. Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Load it up and bring it home. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Slightest bit of water would raise compression very high. If it spun over I highly doubt there's water in it. If it's close I'd love to give you a hand since it appears I won't be combining again tomorrow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Yea if it turned over one revolution, the water is gone if there was any. Probably wasn’t….or it wouldn’t have probably broken something. Got fuel to the filters? Out of the filters? Crack injector lines loose at the injectors, get a bigger battery charger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Congratulations though. I agree, load it up (before he changes his mind) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall1066 Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 7 hours ago, brahamfireman said: Slightest bit of water would raise compression very high. If it spun over I highly doubt there's water in it. If it's close I'd love to give you a hand since it appears I won't be combining again tomorrow.... My biggest issue is the dang hauling, Saturday and Sunday worked because we caught up enough, with the rain we weren’t pressed to get everyone cleaned up. But with sun and warm in the forecast, I’m going to be back in the truck, and field. I’ll definitely let you know if I get a chance to get back after it before it’s colder and white ground!! Your not far from it! It’s by Mora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall1066 Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 hours ago, stronger800 said: Yea if it turned over one revolution, the water is gone if there was any. Probably wasn’t….or it wouldn’t have probably broken something. Got fuel to the filters? Out of the filters? Crack injector lines loose at the injectors, get a bigger battery charger. I’m not sure why, or how this works, but this is a Murphy switch on the return side, Im wondering if that’s part of the issue?! The primer on the fuel pump acts like there’s a vacuum or air lock, you can pull the plunger up, and it sucks right back down, normally you have to push them down. So it has a fuel problem. Might have to bring more wrenches, and a new return line, and change fuel filters if I can get back to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIHTECH Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Farmall1066 said: Murphy switch on the return side Appears to me that is your supply line, does it run from final filter to injection pump? If so just jump around it for now, it should be replaced with part number 688190C1 which is a special hose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Definitely get rid of that thing I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall1066 Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, CIHTECH said: Appears to me that is your supply line, does it run from final filter to injection pump? If so just jump around it for now, it should be replaced with part number 688190C1 which is a special hose. Your correct, my bad, that is the feed line. I’m definitely thinking this Murphy switch is stuck shut, I’m still not sure why they put it on the fuel system?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dinan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 53 minutes ago, Farmall1066 said: Your correct, my bad, that is the feed line. I’m definitely thinking this Murphy switch is stuck shut, I’m still not sure why they put it on the fuel system?! Could have it wired for backup low oil pressure shutdown?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnightman Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Alan Dinan said: Could have it wired for backup low oil pressure shutdown?? I’ve seen quite a few added for this reason. Even if operator isn’t paying attention to gauges, the moment oil pressure goes low it cuts fuel and shuts tractor down. All the ones I have seen have an override button that must be held in until engine oil pressure comes up high enough. On the one on myPerkins diesel powered Miller welder it can be quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Doctor Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Those pumps had a tendency to stick and not start. I never dealt with one that had set for a long time. I believe the pump was looked at before turning it over to avoid damaging the pump. Hopefully someone with more knowledge chimes in here. When you remove the Murphy switch, replace it with an original IH hose. Hydraulic hose will cause pump problems in the future that you don't need. If the pump is working, loosen the lines at the nozzles and crank, with wide open throttle, until fuel is present at all of them. Then lock them down and it should start with a wiff of "Ether she goes, or she blows". The 66 series was rather easy to bleed and get running. The 68 series V8's were a bear to get bled and restarted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacka Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I am no super tech engine mechanic, just a farmer who gets dangerous when he has end wrenches and sockets in his hands.I bought many tractors that sat for years,diesel by far are the easiest to get started if they set. Fuel,air and compression and away she goes.Gas you got spark,carb. and multiple possibilities if one or both are letting you down.But what I do and have done before I even would try to start something that as been sitting a long time and not in my care previously is change filters,check fuel tank for dirt, gunk,algae and WATER. My Case backhoe has a sediment bowl & pitcock,first thing I do after it set a long while is drain whatever is in the bottom until clean fuel comes out.I would for sure before I tried to spin it to start it would be get clean as can be fuel in it.Makes your world easier and might save a pump.Water isn't a typically injector pump's best friend,dirt and scum are just added headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall1066 Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Diesel Doctor said: it with an original IH hose. Already on its way to my door, ordered that this morning! The 400 series engines are the easiest to bleed the fuel system, so hopefully with the new hose, and filters, it will come to life! Now I just need to find time again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.B. Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, Farmall1066 said: Already on its way to my door, ordered that this morning! The 400 series engines are the easiest to bleed the fuel system, so hopefully with the new hose, and filters, it will come to life! Now I just need to find time again! If your young, you don't need sleep. Seriously man... I'm on the edge of my seat! Get that thing home already. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall1066 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 13 hours ago, B.B. said: If your young, you don't need sleep. Seriously man... I'm on the edge of my seat! Get that thing home already. I should be selling tickets to the show!! 🤣 I hope your sleeping at night as suspenseful as this process is! 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻 I’m doing what I can, with the hours I have, bean harvest, and trucking everyone else’s bean harvest keeps me busy!!! Looks like more rain next week, so might have a chance then. 13 hours ago, Art From Coleman said: Take MORE pictures of his other "treasures". I’ll try doing that the next time I’m there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Art may be onto something. Maybe don’t fire it up until After your trucking bill is settled? Depends on your relationship with the guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichow7120 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 8:46 AM, midnightman said: I’ve seen quite a few added for this reason. Even if operator isn’t paying attention to gauges, the moment oil pressure goes low it cuts fuel and shuts tractor down. All the ones I have seen have an override button that must be held in until engine oil pressure comes up high enough. On the one on myPerkins diesel powered Miller welder it can be quite some time. Neighbor had one in a 4630 JD. Was a red box in the cab with 2 buttons and a oil pressure guage. Hold the one button down to override until your guage was registering x amount of pressure on the guage. This tractor had been used on a PTO irragation pump so it had a Murphy switch on it because of it being ran with no one around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaFarmall Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 It appears to me that the rubber hose is a grease gun style hose and his old copper line had let loose or not fit the old fitting. That appears to me a diagram pump. Easiest way to tell if it's pumping is take a jumper wire and positive battery post to positive fuel pump post. It should clicky clack. I can't tell from pictures for sure, but looks like the pump is not connected to the oil port. Nothing too complicated to take out as it sounds like you already have new hose coming. New hose needs the updated fitting from the filter, but most have already been updated according to timmers. Something about a flare fitting is all I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall1066 Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 6 hours ago, MinnesotaFarmall said: New hose needs the updated fitting from the filter, I hope the parts guy was smart enough to get me the hose, and fittings like I requested. Cause he wasn’t smart enough to send the parts home with one of the guys that drops parts at the Federated drop box!🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Farmall1066 said: I hope the parts guy was smart enough to get me the hose, and fittings like I requested. Cause he wasn’t smart enough to send the parts home with one of the guys that drops parts at the Federated drop box!🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ Which federated? I was told the cambridge drop box was no longer there because the guy bringing them over retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall1066 Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, brahamfireman said: Which federated? I was told the cambridge drop box was no longer there because the guy bringing them over retired. Ogilvie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaFarmall Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 18 hours ago, Farmall1066 said: I hope the parts guy was smart enough to get me the hose, and fittings like I requested. Cause he wasn’t smart enough to send the parts home with one of the guys that drops parts at the Federated drop box!🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ Old ways with new people seems to be an issue at most parts stores ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.B. Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 10/18/2022 at 3:05 AM, Farmall1066 said: I should be selling tickets to the show!! 🤣 I hope your sleeping at night as suspenseful as this process is! 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻 I’m doing what I can, with the hours I have, bean harvest, and trucking everyone else’s bean harvest keeps me busy!!! Looks like more rain next week, so might have a chance then. I’ll try doing that the next time I’m there!! I know, I just love to see a good news story, and I also know how contrary ole farmers can be about selling something and then changing their mind. My dad once traded some work for a Minnie MO U302 that hadn't ran in years after an electrical fire to the wiring harness. Some fresh gas, and a few jumper wires and about an hours worth of work he drove it home. Farmer wasn't happy that it ran and then didn't want to let it go. We used that Minnie Mo for several years till it just got too tired and needed a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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