mike newman Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 .....there are so many old pictures ...held in dusty box's by equally ''old'' blokes, who have long past their days of battling with buggared tracks ...mud...broken winch ropes...broken marriages ...broken dreams etc etc..old blokes now, who would never have fitted in this''modern' safety oriented , over regulated world.... I have crudely copied a few, from another old ,very recently visited , friend...Some of the originals leave a bit to be desired ...so bear with them !!!! RF 190 with TD24 settling down on the low bed...( I think ???...or is it a LF195 ???? ) AR174 with TD6 ''over-loader'' set up Isuzu with TD9 ''over -loader'' set up Mike 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Generous helping of pig iron applied Easier to sideload but gotta pretty wide, back when road rules were relaxed also I take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewets Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Oh Mike!! The site of that old Bedford sure brings back some memories... We had a 7-ton petrol (gas for the USA), and I really cut my 'driving teeth' on that old Bedford!! The steering was about 500 turns from lock-to-lock (It seemed that way then..), and at that age (14) I could at least reach all the pedals and gear lever... I can still hear my Dad's 'advice' to steer wide, and start swinging that steering wheel!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard_P Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 With 7 vertical bars in the grille that's an LF. R-line has 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Regarding that over-loader setup, thank goodness they don’t make them like they used to Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawleigh99 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 First time I have seen pictures of an overshot loader working in real life!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 18 hours ago, Howard_P said: With 7 vertical bars in the grille that's an LF. R-line has 3. Thankyou, Howard _P I have a few to put on the ""Troll for the Site" topic...and as there is zero information on the ''specific's'' of the trucks..I will be guessing at times as there was a proliferation of different models that came into NZ.. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 18 hours ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: Regarding that over-loader setup, thank goodness they don’t make them like they used to Mike. 4 hours ago, Rawleigh99 said: First time I have seen pictures of an overshot loader working in real life!! ...Yeah.....not for the faint hearted ....I remember seeing these ''machines'' working..years ago..a lot of noise with the ''product'' raining down on the truck deck Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 On 7/29/2022 at 3:33 AM, dewets said: Oh Mike!! The site of that old Bedford sure brings back some memories... We had a 7-ton petrol (gas for the USA), and I really cut my 'driving teeth' on that old Bedford!! The steering was about 500 turns from lock-to-lock (It seemed that way then..), and at that age (14) I could at least reach all the pedals and gear lever... I can still hear my Dad's 'advice' to steer wide, and start swinging that steering wheel!!! Yeah, @dewets..of course I screwed up by calling it "Isuzu""...but soon "Bedford " disappeared to be replaced by "Isuzu" We used a 4x2 Bedford for many years...same issues as you faced ...underpowered, but like all under powered trucks I had..if one was patient, you made the finish line eventually...and that helped the bottom line to get something a bit better...and so on...ad infinitum.. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Beale Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Mike I remember a truck discussion where Bedford was dismissed as "Not even a good poor man's truck" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 5 hours ago, Ian Beale said: Mike I remember a truck discussion where Bedford was dismissed as "Not even a good poor man's truck" ...yeah...the have come and gone......from the old ''K' models to the bigger stuff ..TM with a Detroit in.... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 On 7/29/2022 at 11:48 AM, Rawleigh99 said: First time I have seen pictures of an overshot loader working in real life!! They scrap 2 of them a few months ago. Could have saved them but, I cannot save everything with no help. No one is interested in saving old iron and working no more. Shame.😞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just Dave Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 @mike newman No need to apologize for those copies of the pictures, they are quite sharp and the color is brilliant. Kodachrome maybe?? or were you using maybe Fuji film down under? Thank you for the history. I love the old IH truck bodies, round like a robust woman and hard like the man that covets her. Did this over-loader idea ever compete with something like a Drott front loader or was it before them? It looks like they were all hydraulic? No cables. Slow cycle I imagine. I have a Bedford dumper Matchbox Truck , the first one I ever got. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pede Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Isn't that an IH 290 semi since it has the duel axles? we had one. Use to load the 20/201 still hooked to the pan, could get the front tires on the beaver tail, and down the road we go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 7 hours ago, pede said: Isn't that an IH 290 semi since it has the duel axles? we had one. Use to load the 20/201 still hooked to the pan, could get the front tires on the beaver tail, and down the road we go. ...you got me there, pede !!! ....Howard_P corrected my initial post in respect of model.... ....Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
td9bcf180 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Nice pics, Mike. Your AR174 with TD6 overloader: That grill/cab is exactly what we had on an old 1955 log truck- tandem axle- with inline 6 ,Black Diamond 282 motor. Here it was a Model RF170. Does the "A" stand for Australian made like the "British" BTD6 etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 On 8/4/2022 at 12:39 PM, td9bcf180 said: Nice pics, Mike. Your AR174 with TD6 overloader: That grill/cab is exactly what we had on an old 1955 log truck- tandem axle- with inline 6 ,Black Diamond 282 motor. Here it was a Model RF170. Does the "A" stand for Australian made like the "British" BTD6 etc.? Yes.....all the Aussie built trucks that I had were prefixed with ""A""....trucks built after the pictured ones above !! ...it was great for the likes of us down under...huge tariffs imposed on US built products back then....and now, , so with the advent of Ford, IHC, Mack KW etc having manufacturing facilties in Australia.....and with Australia being a huge consumer of all products....we in little NZ could get some good equipment at almost affordable cost..... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 ...few more pics ..looks like a Hough 30 loading a 4x2 "Thames Trader""...a British Ford product ...some yet to be identified loader..loading a KB6....I think I see ''75A" on theb loader frame...that was a Michigan number????.note the 'grizzly' screen on the back of the KB ..common pratice back then..!! ....another Hough loading an AR with a TD 9 pushing above Mike 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
td9bcf180 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 A for Aussie built. Makes sense. Now that TD9 in your last photo looks like the 91 series with manual angle blade or bullgrader. (That's what I am attempting to rebuild- a 91 series with that style blade and extended track frame with 5 bottom rollers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share Posted August 11, 2022 8 hours ago, td9bcf180 said: A for Aussie built. Makes sense. Now that TD9 in your last photo looks like the 91 series with manual angle blade or bullgrader. (That's what I am attempting to rebuild- a 91 series with that style blade and extended track frame with 5 bottom rollers). ... a few pictures that may interest you !!! B in Law and I salvaged this 'local' 91 series.....it had a smashed final drive housing...and was considerably distressed in other areas..... ..all the pig iron was scrapped.... TD9B final drive housings fitted to both sides....one replacement liner fitted...brakes /clutches etc...usual myriad of small details to be attended to....It goes really well...used it for five aside bush and bog discing...and heavy harrowing on the hills It has that "nylon" type bushes in the front Idlers and carrier rollers....stuff that can be machined to fit , where ever...seems quite satisfactory Only about 16 came into New Zealand Mike 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
td9bcf180 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Great pics and thanks for posting them Mike. Mine is almost identical- canopy and all except blade is different. Blown final drives and cracked heads were the weaknesses of TD9's. Nice to know that TD9-92 series final drive housings will fit 91 series. Here's a couple pics of mine before it was stripped down (and I am way behind, timewise, getting it put back together.) Note the "fantail" on the drawbar used to insert log chokers to skid with. "Sawmill" on this forum gave me some good advice on TD9's years ago. Not sure if he's still around? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Last I heard Greg was still around, Brian aka @captain_crunch was trying to get him to come back but life gets in the way...lots of good times back then with the bunch 😊 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 .....a lot of work ahead of your TD9......@td9bcf180 !!!! I have a D6B ...hence on the TD6's and TD9"s we have...the scrap pig iron gets the heave ho.....those wee crawlers are always happy to get that crap off their backs....I always maintained a lot of the reason for the cracked heads was that conglomeration of hydralic pumps / oil / gaurd etc and the yearly build up of crap over the radiator core....then the tractor was given a ''sucker'' fan...four blades at that , generally... ...Greg may have given you good advice re the TD 9...but I reckon he was one of those dedicated Caterpillar blokes ....whom, upon going to bed, would read himself to sleep with the Caterpillar Service Manual for company................enthralling stuff... I think logging was about his favourite occupation... pic of the old 91 Seies....after dragging up a trailer load of hay ...way up the back..for cattle...(showing off the new upholstery...!!!) Mike 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 ...few more old pics ....AB 180 with an old Ruston Bucyrus heaving a bit of gravel on board...... .....an AR 6x4 plus stuff I cannot identify...... ..an AR /AS and KB6 in the back ground with TD6 loading.... Mike 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, mike newman said: ...few more old pics ....AB 180 with an old Ruston Bucyrus heaving a bit of gravel on board...... .....an AR 6x4 plus stuff I cannot identify...... ....an AR /AS and KB6 in the back ground with TD6 loading.... Mike ...do you wonder why the finals on those poor old TD's went south....??...Think of the loading on those pivots with that contraption...at least, however, those tractors did not have to turn with that loading on the track frames....(.no back up ''beepers'' either.....to drive you nuts on a big work site...) Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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