IHC_1470 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 I would not want to go very far steering it the way I did it that is for sure. It worked once I got on to it. The trick was keeping the draw bar between the two tractors relatively straight. Have not got there quite yet but it would appear that the splines are gone in the pressure plate. No chunks in the oil and I got the bottom cover of the speed transmission. The steering pump is external on a 2+2 and when I pulled it you could hold the shaft and turn the input shaft into the transfer case and with nothing turning at the pump drive. I have the stands under the motor and range transmission and I am building a stand to hold the speed transmission up. I have always worked on that transmission sitting on the floor but I am getting too old to bend over or at least that is what I am telling myself. Have not pulled the top cover off the range transmission yet to look at the park lock gear. Park was not holding real well and once in awhile it would roll when in park. I have a new park lock lever and spring to put in the cover and will have to see what the gear looks like at that time. It was also getting air in the hydraulic system and I was having to run it about 5 gallons over full to compensate so need to put some new seals on the suction tube. Nothing has ever been done to the range transmission or rear end so wondering with it approaching 13000 hours if I should look at the bearings. Like I said in the beginning it is somewhat of a money pit at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, IHC_1470 said: Nothing has ever been done to the range transmission or rear end so wondering with it approaching 13000 hours if I should look at the bearings. Like I said in the beginning it is somewhat of a money pit at this point. As long it had ok looking oil I wouldn't worry about bearings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Doctor Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/12/2023 at 8:38 PM, mikem said: Those tapes are almost as old as we are, and the last time I checked, we don't bend so good either.... 8-track tapes work better, if they don't come off the reels, and a Bic pen will still roll them up. I had a 4-track player in a 70 Nova once---haven't seen one of those for years..... Sorry---just had a flash-back... Mike Take your pill, all will be better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 Finally got it split. Did not want to come apart. First split I did was between the transfer case and the speed transmission. Rolled back maybe 1/2 inch and that was it. Everything looked level and the dowel were reasonably free to turn so did not appear to be an alignment issue. I ended up going through the starter hole and unbolting the pressure plate from the flywheel. The pilot bearing had pulled out of the flywheel but would not come off the TA shaft. Ended up using a two jaw puller to get the bearing off the shaft. Clutch has good lining on it yet but was warped thanks to the hired help slipping the clutch. Splines gone in the pressure plated and IPTO input shaft. The 3 bolts that hold the throw out bearing carrier were quite loose for some reason. Not sure but would guess maybe the bolts came loose and that allowed the shaft to start working in the pressure plate. Makes no difference as it will be replaced. Pulled the range transmission shift cover to inspect the park lock. The gear looks good with no missing teeth. Some wear on the park lock lever. Thinking there was enough dirt build up in there that it would not allow the park lever to drop all the way down. Have a new spring and lever to put in. The clip was gone that holds the detent levers in place for hi-lo and reverse so that all fell apart as I pulled the cover up. Glad I was not doing this inside the cab as I was watching and was able to catch the detent rollers and levers before they went to the bottom of the case. Speed transmission shift cover will get updated to what the 6x88's used which was a needle bearing where the lever goes though the case. It has a lot of side play as it is. Need to do some more investigating on the pinion shaft. I suspect the pinion bearing probably has issues. It maybe due to the nut is a little loose. The lock is still in place so I am betting the bearing is wore enough that it is showing up at the nut. Time will tell what the ring gear and pinion look like. I left it with the oil draining out of the transfer case. Probably will be the first thing I tackle in the morning. The uni-ball's are loose and the seals all leak a small amount so it needs some TLC. Anyway some pictures to keep everyone happy. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 I see Hy Capacity has a spring load transmission brake lever. Anyone try it and does it work? Seems like it is hard to keep the transmission brake in adjustment, to easy to push the clutch all the way to the floor while rolling I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1480x3 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 hours ago, IHC_1470 said: I see Hy Capacity has a spring load transmission brake lever. Anyone try it and does it work? Seems like it is hard to keep the transmission brake in adjustment, to easy to push the clutch all the way to the floor while rolling I guess. Put one on plobly 30 yrs ago, had it on for a ta life [ 3 or 4 yrs ] then took it off. Can't remember why, maybe adjustment issues . It's in a box in my parts bin somewhere i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/25/2023 at 1:29 AM, IHC_1470 said: I see Hy Capacity has a spring load transmission brake lever. Anyone try it and does it work? Seems like it is hard to keep the transmission brake in adjustment, to easy to push the clutch all the way to the floor while rolling I guess. My 856 has it, crazy hard to push or pull. I like the old ones that easily engage, but I'm also super picky about making sure it engages and don't just jam it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 24 minutes ago, brahamfireman said: My 856 has it, crazy hard to push or pull. I like the old ones that easily engage, but I'm also super picky about making sure it engages and don't just jam it down. Thank you for the information. Think I will stick with the original design. It would not be an IH if the gears didn't grind a little going in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Just a quick update. Parts are ordered. Decided to replace all the bearings in the transmission. That was a tough call when you wonder if 40 year old bearing might still be better than what one can buy now days. Roll the dice I guess. The injection pump and injectors are headed to @ingpumped. Hy-Capacity is suppling quite a few parts, Ag-Parts is suppling the TA and master clutch assembly. Bearings and O-Rings are coming from Case-IH. The hydraulic hoses and tubes that are NLA I hopefully get made at the local hydraulic shop. Hoses are no issue and I am pretty sure they can do the pipes too. Asked the local dealer if I could rent or borrow the tool for setting up the pinion bearing. The manager looked at me and said "I bet it has been close to 30 years since the last time it was used, hope you don't mind a little dust." I guess time does march on and true IH tractors are becoming a thing of the past. The manager did not disagree when I told him that I still preferred a non computer non DEF tractor, and while I could not probably recoup what will be invested in this when done it was worth it to me. So now to figure out how to get the rear housing spun enough to get the tires off the axles. Would be nice to have a large shop to work in. Just happy to be on concrete for this job. So a question, I going to explore getting a new floor mat made with the carpet around the outside and the runner in the middle. Is there any interest if I can find an upholstery that will do this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 You're doing alot of good work. More pics please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1468 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 5 hours ago, IHC_1470 said: Just a quick update. Parts are ordered. Decided to replace all the bearings in the transmission. That was a tough call when you wonder if 40 year old bearing might still be better than what one can buy now days. Roll the dice I guess. The injection pump and injectors are headed to @ingpumped. Hy-Capacity is suppling quite a few parts, Ag-Parts is suppling the TA and master clutch assembly. Bearings and O-Rings are coming from Case-IH. The hydraulic hoses and tubes that are NLA I hopefully get made at the local hydraulic shop. Hoses are no issue and I am pretty sure they can do the pipes too. Asked the local dealer if I could rent or borrow the tool for setting up the pinion bearing. The manager looked at me and said "I bet it has been close to 30 years since the last time it was used, hope you don't mind a little dust." I guess time does march on and true IH tractors are becoming a thing of the past. The manager did not disagree when I told him that I still preferred a non computer non DEF tractor, and while I could not probably recoup what will be invested in this when done it was worth it to me. So now to figure out how to get the rear housing spun enough to get the tires off the axles. Would be nice to have a large shop to work in. Just happy to be on concrete for this job. So a question, I going to explore getting a new floor mat made with the carpet around the outside and the runner in the middle. Is there any interest if I can find an upholstery that will do this? I definitely would be interested, let me know if it’s something that you can get done and how much. I have 3 and all need carpets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Y'all really like the carpet? I think carpet in a truck, let alone a tractor, is a terrible idea! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpower123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I would be interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 36 minutes ago, redpower123 said: I would be interested I can take a picture of mine. Really the only issue with it is a shrinkage issue. It will no longer go under the lips at the steps so it has become a tripping hazard. As far as standing up wear and tear that has not been an issue. The sound pad that goes under it is a different story. It is in about 3 pieces any more. I have not found anyone in the aftermarket that offers it the carpet version. Really have not looked into the sound pad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 Finally looks like maybe I am doing something. I cleaned the transfer case the other day. Once I get it stripped down I probably will give it another bath. I do not have it apart yet so no idea if there are any gear wear issues. As anyone that is familiar with a 2+2 knows that case does not hold much oil and it is not filtered. I could see where the seal behind the flywheel was leaking some as the dirt was washed clean. Both the input and output seals for the drivelines were leaking a small amount and honestly have been for several year. Not enough that you had to add oil very often but certainly enough to make a mess. The flywheel needs turned and I do not recall if it has been before or not. I do recall I replaced the hub in the pressure plate many years ago, at that time the clutch itself was in good shape. A few years later I was seeding and when I stopped to refill the clutch would not release. I finished the field by starting the tractor in gear and when I got into the clutch one bolt on a lever had come out. I did replace the assembly at that time. Actually this time there is lots of lining left, however the hired help was slipping the clutch and the disk is badly warped. It was an 8 button plate but I am going back with a 6. Really could not see that it made any difference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 2/1/2023 at 3:12 PM, IHC_1470 said: Just a quick update. Parts are ordered. Decided to replace all the bearings in the transmission. That was a tough call when you wonder if 40 year old bearing might still be better than what one can buy now days. Roll the dice I guess. The injection pump and injectors are headed to @ingpumped. Hy-Capacity is suppling quite a few parts, Ag-Parts is suppling the TA and master clutch assembly. Bearings and O-Rings are coming from Case-IH. The hydraulic hoses and tubes that are NLA I hopefully get made at the local hydraulic shop. Hoses are no issue and I am pretty sure they can do the pipes too. Asked the local dealer if I could rent or borrow the tool for setting up the pinion bearing. The manager looked at me and said "I bet it has been close to 30 years since the last time it was used, hope you don't mind a little dust." I guess time does march on and true IH tractors are becoming a thing of the past. The manager did not disagree when I told him that I still preferred a non computer non DEF tractor, and while I could not probably recoup what will be invested in this when done it was worth it to me. So now to figure out how to get the rear housing spun enough to get the tires off the axles. Would be nice to have a large shop to work in. Just happy to be on concrete for this job. So a question, I going to explore getting a new floor mat made with the carpet around the outside and the runner in the middle. Is there any interest if I can find an upholstery that will do this? I hear what you are saying about current parts quality. Putting the bearings in the microwave in a damp cloth is an easy way to install them on the shafts. Looks like you are making good progress! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpower123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I would like to see a picture can’t seem to find one on the internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 So today being ground hogs day and having plenty of sunshine to work with it was time to tackle the rear end. I have very little room to work in this shop, it was built in about 1962 before Dad bought the place. At that time it was just a dirt floor. Dad pored concrete in the front half and I am thinking it is time to do the back half. As it stands there really is not room to position a tractor in the middle to have room to get around things very well. So my first though was maybe I could pick up the rear section tires and all and move it outside for the day to work on tire and axle removal. I did attempt it but all I managed to do was lift the back of the Hydro 84 off the ground. The tires are dry but still much to heavy with the weight that far in front of the tractor. So I rolled the rear section back close to the door and went with plan B. Certainly did not make flat rate but I got the case stripped of tires and axles and nothing tipped over so I will consider it a success story. Tomorrow I will regroup and decide if I am going to work around axels and the top cover or take them out side. Issue there is I have no place to get them in out of the weather so would have to cover them. It was close to five tonight when I got it where you see it now. I did notice the left bull gear is through the hard surfacing on the tooth surface closest to the main case. Probably been 25 years or so ago Dad lost the outer axle bearing on that side. Not sure if it loaded the gear a little before we caught up with it or not. So I plan on flipping the bull gears from side to side. Not sure what to do about the pinion gears. Tractor has a diff lock so I can not flip them. If all goes well I should have the rear case stripped by the weekend. I was having issues with the park lock not always holding. The lever looks fine. I had a new spring so I changed it last night. The new spring was about 3/8 of an inch longer than the original. There was also a lot of oily dirt on top of the case so have to wonder if the lever was dropping all the way to the case. One other issue I discovered when I pulled the range transmission cover off the case was the clip that holds the detent levers in place was missing. I guess things are tight enough that the levers could not fall off the shaft as I was having no issues with the detents. The axle bearings look OK but I was planning on replacing them and now that I do have to swap bull gears around I know for sure they will be new going back in. The boss came by and checked up on me this afternoon. Guess I was doing thing well enough to meet her approval, at least she did not say anything negative. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, redpower123 said: I would like to see a picture can’t seem to find one on the internet If I can remember where I put the carpet I will try and do that tomorrow for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihrondiesel Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 1/25/2023 at 1:29 AM, IHC_1470 said: I see Hy Capacity has a spring load transmission brake lever. Anyone try it and does it work? Seems like it is hard to keep the transmission brake in adjustment, to easy to push the clutch all the way to the floor while rolling I guess. RE: the spring loaded brake—I put one in a 1066 maybe 20 years ago or so. At the time I ordered the kit, an IH mechanic gave me this advice: order a brake spring for a 1086 at the same time, and when you get the kit you will notice that the 1086 spring is a couple coils longer but not quite as strong. Cut the 1086 spring to the same length as the Hy-Cap spring and use that instead. It will do the job but be less difficult to disengage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Doctor Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 You were really close to having no PTO. You got the majority of the good out of that input gear. I'm sure the backing plate splines were just as bad. Have never had the problem with the pilot bearing you had but strange things happen. You now need a lot of parts? Yes, you cannot justify the parts in that old a tractor but you do it anyway. Just because! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes806 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 13 hours ago, Diesel Doctor said: Yes, you cannot justify the parts in that old a tractor True but maybe a person can't justify a new one of the same size and buying a used one your not sure what your getting. At least when he's done he know what he's got and the history. Myself glad he's putting back up instead of junking or parting out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 Here is the reason the pinion was loose. Actually the bearings look just fine all three of them. The nut was still locked and the tab was not broke. However the nut was loose due to the washer going away. Have to wonder if it was properly torqued from the factory. The bearing behind the nut did not look like it had been spinning on the shaft. Did not have to use a puller to get it off. Drove a thin wedge between the bearing and gear which got it away enough that I could get a couple screw drivers in there and was able to wiggle it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 14 hours ago, Diesel Doctor said: You now need a lot of parts? Yes, you cannot justify the parts in that old a tractor but you do it anyway. The 3588 I bought last summer to be able to bale hay after the 33 went down was more than I really wanted to pay and it does have it's issues. Tires looked good yet one blew a sidewall. Enough wear on them I replaced them all. Needs brakes, lost a u-joint on the drive line from 4-wheel drive box to transfer case, most of the gauges need attention, the duct tape on the A/C hoses did nothing for holding the Freon in and the list goes on. I paid for the 35 about what I will have in repairs in the 33 and then I put another 5k into it before I got done with fall work last fall. Really did not want the 35 but there was a need at the time. Still would not make many payments on newer iron and there is no guarantee that the new iron will run without issues either. So as you said you do it anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superih Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 You can send your old steel hydraulic lines to In Line Tube here in Michigan, they will copy and CNC bend new ones identical to the originals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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