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I recently bought 20 acres of land that requires a bit of dirt work. One of my neighbors has an old dozer that he's willing to sell. The problem I have is that I know nothing about them and he's quite old and can't remember what year or model the dozer is. I was hoping someone from here could help me identify the dozer and also tell me where I can find a service manual for the dozer. I'm not much of a mechanic but I'd like to learn how to service the dozer. The last time it ran was 2 years ago when he parked it, of as of this year he hasn't been able to get it to start. I'm accepting all hints, tips, and tricks at this point lol

Asking $4k as it sits

Thank you in advance

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From the pictures, it has quite a few features similar to my TD-14 although the tracks look wider (maybe 22").  From the driver's seat check the left side of the dash for a decal with info on it.

Vic

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56 minutes ago, thebunns said:

From the pictures, it has quite a few features similar to my TD-14 although the tracks look wider (maybe 22").  From the driver's seat check the left side of the dash for a decal with info on it.

Vic

Thank you for the info. I will stop by after work and look for some decals

 

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I forgot to mention a couple of other things---when you find out what your tractor is, Binder Books is one place to look for manuals.  Also, in my opinion the price is over double its value.  I think that it would have to be in perfect shape, along with a recent wash job to be worth that much.

Vic

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I'm not familiar with equipment at all really. A friend of mine has an old international dozer that he works on regularly. He's going to come look at it with me tomorrow. I just know that renting a mini excavator for $1,000 a weekend is adding up fast so 4k doesn't actually sound that bad to me I don't want to overpay by any means but I also don't want to keep renting equipment

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So it's a TD6. If it starts and pushes dirt, backs up and turns, it would be a possible personal machine. Parts are rare, but if you don't need any??

What does the other side of the engine look like?  Good luck

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Starts on gas runs on diesel. The heads can have much cracking so I guess compression test should show if that's an issue on this one. @rustred has good info on these engines as I recall.

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2 hours ago, HuntNW208 said:

I'm not familiar with equipment at all really. A friend of mine has an old international dozer that he works on regularly. He's going to come look at it with me tomorrow. I just know that renting a mini excavator for $1,000 a weekend is adding up fast so 4k doesn't actually sound that bad to me I don't want to overpay by any means but I also don't want to keep renting equipment

There are a lot of unknowns here. If it has been sitting outside for two years and is able to be started and it will steer left and right, that will be a small miracle. In the scope of equipment today, $4K is nothing, but these machines are cheap for a reason. I won’t try to talk anybody out of anything. The parts situation is dire, even a relatively small breakdown can turn into a major ordeal. 

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The track chains look fantastic the sprockets are sharp and pointy teeth indicating worn, could reach up in between the links and feel if the pins are round or flattening out, rollers seem OK and pads are alright

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.....interesting   crawler

.....This could be quite a good TD....probably never been overheated  given that   'home made ' bull   blade assembly must operate via a PTO pump...thus the radiata, after 70 odd years is still visible, unlike most of those TD6 and 9  , of that era , having pump /control valve assembly  on the nose....plus a 'gaurd'...then run a regular ''pulling '' fan....sigh 

The tractor must have started life as a  straight Agricultural   machine...no timing gear driven hydralic pump...certainly  not original hydralic    control 'lever'    and tank....that was supplied for the timing gear pump equiped TD's.  It  would be interesting  to know when that bull blade /canopy set up was hung on that tractor...that would impact on the drive train, condition

As  Hardtail mentioned, chains look good..sprocket  (s)   require attention..and the bottom rollers could be worn, by the look of the wear marks under the pin boss's..carrier roller looks ok   .other wise  that old TD   could be  a good shot....looks as though the  magneto has been rebuilt  / replaced...

Be very interested on the ''follow up ''  endeavours on this ...:)

Mike

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11 hours ago, mike newman said:

.....interesting   crawler

.....This could be quite a good TD....probably never been overheated  given that   'home made ' bull   blade assembly must operate via a PTO pump...thus the radiata, after 70 odd years is still visible, unlike most of those TD6 and 9  , of that era , having pump /control valve assembly  on the nose....plus a 'gaurd'...then run a regular ''pulling '' fan....sigh 

The tractor must have started life as a  straight Agricultural   machine...no timing gear driven hydralic pump...certainly  not original hydralic    control 'lever'    and tank....that was supplied for the timing gear pump equiped TD's.  It  would be interesting  to know when that bull blade /canopy set up was hung on that tractor...that would impact on the drive train, condition

As  Hardtail mentioned, chains look good..sprocket  (s)   require attention..and the bottom rollers could be worn, by the look of the wear marks under the pin boss's..carrier roller looks ok   .other wise  that old TD   could be  a good shot....looks as though the  magneto has been rebuilt  / replaced...

Be very interested on the ''follow up ''  endeavours on this ...:)

Mike

Thank you for the info, I appreciate it very much. 

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Usually if sitting for awhile it doesn't instantly cough to provide inspiration I immediately give the points a quick pass which usually provides the anticipated outcome, mag has recently been changed, hopefully it's all timed properly should be if it ran ok after replacement. Really you need to get it running to assess the rest, good your buddy has experience with them, looks much better than most and could be what your after, might be a cooler climate as it has a good style recirculating block heater, hopefully steering clutches aren't stuck and it turns properly 

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Update:

Spent 2hrs working on the crawler today. Was able to get it running but it would stall out after a few seconds or so.. I wasn't able to get it to switch to diesel. Best guess at this point is carburetor needs cleaned. 

The good news is that while it was running, it sounded great! 

The linkage that is used for switching between gas and diesel is a little tough to operate. I took a few more pictures and I also have a video of it running.

 

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6 as I suspected,some one is messing with parts they should stay out of.

110% of scrap  $1500 if it operates 15 min flawlessly $2500 if 2 hrs with  ZERO issues,

then it may run for years or could need $2k -10K next week.... parts are NLA $$$$$  ...but go buy a  new .and need NLA $$$$

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So I have been in the same spot, trying to make a decision on a similar TD6.  I passed and don't regret it.  Here's why:

As mmi said, even if you get her running without a lot of trouble and she seems to operate good, there's no telling whether she'll run for 10 more years or 10 more minutes without a breakdown requiring parts that are no longer available. 

I think the question you really need to answer is:  (1) Do I want an old tracked machine to tinker with, or (2) do I want to get my 20 acres cleared in a timely manner?

If its #1, then this machine seems like an excellent starting point, if you desire an old tracked machine to wrench on.  But his asking price is way too high.  I'm thinking more like $1500-2000, IF you can get it running on the diesel side.

But if its #2, I would take the money you would invest in this machine for purchase and repairs, and pay a local contractor to do however much clearing that will get you.  When you have a little more money saved, get them to come back and do some more.  You will get your land cleared cheaper and faster that way, than by putting the same money in a 70 year old IH dozer.  Trust me.

There is another option, which works on paper, although I haven't personally done it.  That is, buy a late model track loader (or dozer, but loaders are better for land clearing) at fair market price.  Buy one in good shape. Yes, it will cost a lot more money.  Finance it if necessary.  Use it for your land clearing, maintain it, then sell it when you're done.  No more hours than you will put on it for farm use, it will still have basically the same value when you get done.

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I've decided to pass on the TD6 and I will be going to look at a well kept, running TD9 today. 

The TD6 was likely going to be too much work and ultimately I would have to sink a bunch of money into before I could do any land clearing. 

 

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5 hours ago, HuntNW208 said:

I've decided to pass on the TD6 and I will be going to look at a well kept, running TD9 today. 

The TD6 was likely going to be too much work and ultimately I would have to sink a bunch of money into before I could do any land clearing. 

 

....no matter what numbers  you end up with...the same issues just compound...

..to me...the virtue of that TD6, was a lightweight , home made bull  blade system...meaning, possibly, that the over all track frame ' health' was no doubt , quite good...the same  assumption applies   to the drive train....

..unfortunately,   you will never know..if indeed the "6"  could have been a good runner...For myself in that situation, if  that motor ran ok, this after two years  )?)...it warrented a real close look...  Granted , $4k   is right up there..but...............

Mike

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2 hours ago, reggievonruffnut said:

I believe those are non standard tracks on that dozer , maybe the wrong pitch and the reason for the sprocket tooth tip wear

Looks like the chains might have the IH key slot but the plates might not?

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