AngrySailor’s random machining, motors, fix it or (explitive) it thread

[AngrySailor]

30 minutes ago, Rawleigh99 said:

Almost too pretty to use!

IDEALLY... they come out for the next freshen not looking much worse for the wear!  The pistons these are replacing have many summers of HARD miles on them and aside from a little marking on the skirts from metal debris when a roller lifter failed, the only reason they’re being replaced is that the block has been freshened several times and they’re too loose for the bore size once it’s cleaned up. That block is going to 0.060” over for these new pistons. The used 0.030” that came out are going in the 454 build with the funky rod length and deck height to make it all work. Rods,  bearings and gaskets are all I’ve had to buy new for the 454, everything else was spare parts laying around and that junk yard block I resurrected. Just some machine work and balance job are the other expenses. 

[560Dennis]

3 hours ago, AngrySailor said:

IDEALLY... they come out for the next freshen not looking much worse for the wear!  The pistons these are replacing have many summers of HARD miles on them and aside from a little marking on the skirts from metal debris when a roller lifter failed, the only reason they’re being replaced is that the block has been freshened several times and they’re too loose for the bore size once it’s cleaned up. That block is going to 0.060” over for these new pistons. The used 0.030” that came out are going in the 454 build with the funky rod length and deck height to make it all work. Rods,  bearings and gaskets are all I’ve had to buy new for the 454, everything else was spare parts laying around and that junk yard block I resurrected. Just some machine work and balance job are the other expenses. 

Bring the thunder !

[560Dennis]

That’s a huge oil ring , 

I saw where windage decreases horse power . 
 

How much oil in that oil ring ?

[AngrySailor]

4 hours ago, 560Dennis said:

That’s a huge oil ring , 

I saw where windage decreases horse power . 
 

How much oil in that oil ring ?

It’s a 1/16 1/16 3/16 ring package but the oil ring groove is wider as the oil ring support ring goes in the bottom of that groove after the wrist pin is installed to bridge the gap where the pin bore intersects the ring groove. Thats why that grove looks wide. 

Yes there’s some power to be found by reducing windage, hard to imagine what’s going on in there at 7000+ rpm... Some extreme applications use dry sumps with vacuum pumps to reduce windage and crankcase air density, vacuum also helps ring seal (and oil leaks) but these are applications looking for every last hp (and have bottomless pockets). The opposite of reducing windage is sometimes used in endurance applications where oil jets are drilled in the main webs into the main oil gallery and are drilled so that they direct oil up the cylinder for piston cooling. 
 

In my case being wet sump I’m mostly looking to maintain oil pressure by not allowing the oil and crank to interface under hard acceleration/deceleration and aerating the oil. The truck uses a rear sump automotive style pan with a deeper sump, rear windage tray and a horizontal baffle on the back wall of the pan that helps keep oil from climbing the rear of the pan under acceleration and getting into the rear counter weight. The engine sits backwards in the boat, bell housing facing forward so it’s got a full sump pan with a trap door baffle and I’ll be using a full length windage tray like the one pictured below although I don’t think I’ll do as this guy did and use the short tray as well. The screened trays are stamped in such a way that the oil slinging off the crank with the direction of rotation has a straighter shot past the screen, oil trying to come up through the screen is resisted.
 

The boats oil pump pickup is also modified to pick up from the middle of the pan so it has the best chance of remaining in the oil at all times. I am seriously considering for the few hundred bucks that they cost, installing an oil accumulator in the boat. They’re charged by the engine oil pump and can feed about three quarts of oil should the pump lose pressure momentarily. Also you can close the valve before shut down and use that charge to prelube the engine at the next start up. 
 

Unboxed the flathead slugs to get a measurement for the machine shop to bore the block this week. I’m not digging the work schedule on the ship here... was under the impression it was 6 weeks on 6 weeks off but for now it’s 6 and 3. I have the flathead to rebuild, two big blocks to build and hoping to have the 454 done and installed in the square body, several N series Ford engines rebuild and pops is framing his new workshop. Three weeks is t going to cut it...

[560Dennis]

6 hours ago, AngrySailor said:

It’s a 1/16 1/16 3/16 ring package but the oil ring groove is wider as the oil ring support ring goes in the bottom of that groove after the wrist pin is installed to bridge the gap where the pin bore intersects the ring groove. Thats why that grove looks wide. 

Yes there’s some power to be found by reducing windage, hard to imagine what’s going on in there at 7000+ rpm... Some extreme applications use dry sumps with vacuum pumps to reduce windage and crankcase air density, vacuum also helps ring seal (and oil leaks) but these are applications looking for every last hp (and have bottomless pockets). The opposite of reducing windage is sometimes used in endurance applications where oil jets are drilled in the main webs into the main oil gallery and are drilled so that they direct oil up the cylinder for piston cooling. 
 

In my case being wet sump I’m mostly looking to maintain oil pressure by not allowing the oil and crank to interface under hard acceleration/deceleration and aerating the oil. The truck uses a rear sump automotive style pan with a deeper sump, rear windage tray and a horizontal baffle on the back wall of the pan that helps keep oil from climbing the rear of the pan under acceleration and getting into the rear counter weight. The engine sits backwards in the boat, bell housing facing forward so it’s got a full sump pan with a trap door baffle and I’ll be using a full length windage tray like the one pictured below although I don’t think I’ll do as this guy did and use the short tray as well. The screened trays are stamped in such a way that the oil slinging off the crank with the direction of rotation has a straighter shot past the screen, oil trying to come up through the screen is resisted.
 

The boats oil pump pickup is also modified to pick up from the middle of the pan so it has the best chance of remaining in the oil at all times. I am seriously considering for the few hundred bucks that they cost, installing an oil accumulator in the boat. They’re charged by the engine oil pump and can feed about three quarts of oil should the pump lose pressure momentarily. Also you can close the valve before shut down and use that charge to prelube the engine at the next start up. 
 

Unboxed the flathead slugs to get a measurement for the machine shop to bore the block this week. I’m not digging the work schedule on the ship here... was under the impression it was 6 weeks on 6 weeks off but for now it’s 6 and 3. I have the flathead to rebuild, two big blocks to build and hoping to have the 454 done and installed in the square body, several N series Ford engines rebuild and pops is framing his new workshop. Three weeks is t going to cut it...

Press ahead !

[AngrySailor]

The Lee A Tregurtha just passed us in the rouge river. Interesting ship. 
 

http://www.interlake-steamship.com/our-fleet/m-v-lee-a.-tregurtha/ 

 

[farmall666]

1 hour ago, AngrySailor said:

The Lee A Tregurtha just passed us in the rouge river. Interesting ship. 
 

http://www.interlake-steamship.com/our-fleet/m-v-lee-a.-tregurtha/ 

 

I WORKED ON THAT BOAT WHEN I WORKED AT BAY SHIPBUILDING IN STURGEON BAY WISCONSIN..

[AngrySailor]

Oil change on one of the 3412’s today. How long do you think it takes to put ~60 gal of oil in at this rate? 
 

hmm apparently this is an Australian oil change... stupid phone. 

[Farmall Doctor]

If Lee A Just went by, then you must be on Leo A. McArthur!  

[AngrySailor]

43 minutes ago, Farmall Doctor said:

If Lee A Just went by, then you must be on Leo A. McArthur!  

No, Sea Eagle II. 

[Absent Minded Farmer]

2 minutes ago, AngrySailor said:

No, Sea Eagle II. 

What are you shoving?

Mike

[AngrySailor]

9 minutes ago, Absent Minded Farmer said:

What are you shoving?

Mike

Finished Portland Cement and cement clinker. 

[Absent Minded Farmer]

Just now, AngrySailor said:

Finished Portland Cement and cement clinker. 

Ah! You're mated to one of the St. Marys barges?

Mike

[AngrySailor]

1 hour ago, Absent Minded Farmer said:

Ah! You're mated to one of the St. Marys barges?

Mike

Yes exactly. St Mary’s cement II. We haul exclusively for them. Mostly Cleveland Detroit right now. I guess they used to have a Milwaukee contract but I think they closed that plant? We’re in the D-roc rn (sh*t hole). Finished unloading last night, waiting for weather at the moment. Guess it’s pretty windy on Lake Erie. Sounds like we’re going back to Cleveland to clean out the cement hold then to Hamilton for realists. Edit  repairs* damn stupid phone...

[Rawleigh99]

Wow, that was a big ship going by in a small river!  I take your unloader repairs were successful then?

[Absent Minded Farmer]

42 minutes ago, AngrySailor said:

Yes exactly. St Mary’s cement II. We haul exclusively for them. Mostly Cleveland Detroit right now. I guess they used to have a Milwaukee contract but I think they closed that plant? We’re in the D-roc rn (sh*t hole). Finished unloading last night, waiting for weather at the moment. Guess it’s pretty windy on Lake Erie. Sounds like we’re going back to Cleveland to clean out the cement hold then to Hamilton for realists. 

That's really neat to see, thanks for the pics! 

The terminal in Milwaukee is on the KK (Kinnickinnick) River & the silos are still listed as a St. Mary's property. It's been a couple years since I saw any activity there. When I was younger, the St. Mary's Challenger frequented that terminal. Always a neat boat to see.

I'm 17 MI inland from Port Washington, Wi. & the winds out over the big puddle are gusting to about 33kts. Only 1' - 2' waves. Barely enough to get a jon boat wet. 😄 Should die down by tomorrow.

Mike

[AngrySailor]

2 hours ago, Rawleigh99 said:

Wow, that was a big ship going by in a small river!  I take your unloader repairs were successful then?

Yeah can be tight in these rivers sometimes. Lee A. Came in with no tugs, looks like she’s got bow and stern thrusters or (tug f$Cker’s as they’re sometimes called). Heck I can’t even remotely get away with telling ya what they call bollards... has something to do with “basketball Americans” though 
 

Yes temporary repairs got most of the cement cargo off in Cleveland, we got all the clinker off in the D-roc without issue. Sounds like we’re going back to Cleveland and have the hold cleaned out (there’s maybe 6-8” of cargo across the bottom of the hold), they’ll lower a bobcat or two down there and clean out that way. Then if there’s any stray scraper blades or debris it won’t jam up our bucket elevator again, also the hold will be easier to work in when we get to Hamilton for permanent repairs. 
 

1 hour ago, Absent Minded Farmer said:

That's really neat to see, thanks for the pics! 

The terminal in Milwaukee is on the KK (Kinnickinnick) River & the silos are still listed as a St. Mary's property. It's been a couple years since I saw any activity there. When I was younger, the St. Mary's Challenger frequented that terminal. Always a neat boat to see.

I'm 17 MI inland from Port Washington, Wi. & the winds out over the big puddle are gusting to about 33kts. Only 1' - 2' waves. Barely enough to get a jon boat wet. 😄 Should die down by tomorrow.

Mike

I think they might still operate there but not a production facility anymore? I’ll have to ask what the deal Was again. It’s not on our list anytime soon though. I guess only because it’s a native name they can get away with having three K’s in it? 🤣 

[Absent Minded Farmer]

8 minutes ago, AngrySailor said:

I think they might still operate there but not a production facility anymore? I’ll have to ask what the deal Was again. It’s not on our list anytime soon though. I guess only because it’s a native name they can get away with having three K’s in it? 🤣 

I think so. 😄 There was a junction of Hwy K & Hwy KK just north of here a ways. It was never an issue until the advent of Google Earth & the ability for people to post pics. Seems the township received some complaints for some reason. \_(ツ)_/

It was never quite as popular as this one down by Racine. There are T shirts & mugs of that one.

And.... before anyone gets their dander up.... click the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bong

Be sure not to have liquids in your mouth before clicking the link.

As for the St. Mary's silos, I think they've been storage for a number of years.

Mike

[farmall666]

3 hours ago, AngrySailor said:

Yes exactly. St Mary’s cement II. We haul exclusively for them. Mostly Cleveland Detroit right now. I guess they used to have a Milwaukee contract but I think they closed that plant? We’re in the D-roc rn (sh*t hole). Finished unloading last night, waiting for weather at the moment. Guess it’s pretty windy on Lake Erie. Sounds like we’re going back to Cleveland to clean out the cement hold then to Hamilton for realists. Edit  repairs* damn stupid phone...

when i was at bayship we built those cement boats.

[hardtail]

when a cr500 just isn't enough

 

[jeeper61]

5 hours ago, Absent Minded Farmer said:

Be sure not to have liquids in your mouth before clicking the link.

We had a customer named Richard on project at one of the Navy bases .

And he too called himself "Dick"

Unbelievably his last name was Love 

 

[hardtail]

His Mrs would have a rougher time...🤣

[AngrySailor]

3 hours ago, hardtail said:

when a cr500 just isn't enough

 

 

[560Dennis]

18 hours ago, AngrySailor said:

Oil change on one of the 3412’s today. How long do you think it takes to put ~60 gal of oil in at this rate? 
 

hmm apparently this is an Australian oil change... stupid phone. 

You can do it ! Get er done as he’s says 

[AngrySailor]

Back to Cleveland, lowered two Bobcats into the forward hold to clean out before repairs in the hammer (Hamilton). Taking on 100t of diesel and SHIDDERS FULL!