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FB_IMG_1653490581057.thumb.jpg.db234a40ec6d6629fddd7e7b254f0000.jpgI recently purchased an '85 model 175c. It has an f50 carco winch, but it's not working at the moment. I have a line that runs to the front of the engine,  pressure??,  and I'm guessing a supply line in there somewhere as well. I saw somewhere that there was the option for an engine mounted pump, but it's not there now. 

Could I run the winch off of the loader hydraulics? Or if that's too high of a pressure,  what about running off the Trans system? Possibly put a valve in line to turn off the oil flow when it's not needed??

Any help is appreciated.

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  • dhutch changed the title to Carco f50 winch help

If the pump is missing, are the control valves in place for the winch or were they pulled off as well?

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I'd install a belt driven pump feeding into the existing valve body. You will only require two hoses which I would install new citing age. One for supply pressure, one for suction from the hydraulic reservoir. I've seen TD15 series tractors with either a direct mount pump, or belt driven but both do the same. Don't attempt to rob the hydraulic supply from another source as it may work but a compromise at best. 1500psi@10gpm will drive that winch real fine and allow good control. 

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6 hours ago, just Dave said:

I think @Dave Mac has that Carco or similar on a BTD6. His I think he said runs of the front pump. He would know more.

I have a hydraulic winch on my BTD6 and the hydraulics come from the pump on the front. It has a supply line going in and hydraulic pressure coming out. It shares the same supply tank with the dozer blade. And it goes through a switching valve operated by the driver near the control valve. So you can switch from winch to blade from your seat. So you only need one pump and one system except for the switching valve. Real easy !

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@ Troll

I appreciate the responses. I'm unsure as to whether the winch even works or not. I don't really want to put money into a pump and getting it set up if the winch is bad. I was hoping to just use the hydraulics off of the loader to figure out what I have. From the manual I have, system pressure is around 300 psi, a little more than what the trans pump puts out, and less than the 1900 psi the loader hyd runs.

I'm thinking of teeing off of the cooler line coming out of the torque convertor, having a valve in place that's easily accessible from the seat and at least figuring out if the winch is any good. If it works, I may do a separate pump in the future. The hydraulics  seem to only control the valve to shift the winch in gear, which is driven from the trans pto. I'm thinking 200+ psi off the trans system should work??

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https://www.arrowwest.com/

You could contact these guys, they have sold a lot of winches over the years and what they required to drive it. I thought that model was either pto or hydraulic operated, you could get either option.

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Given you have no history I would run an external pump using say an automotive power steering pump for testing purposes. Belt drive this with an electric motor and adapt the existing hoses. A p/s pump will move about 5gpm and develop adequate pressure for testing. The pump will most likely have a pressure relief valve built in as will the tractor control valve. This will allow you to test for operation before spending much for testing. You could also disconnect the hoses from the drive motor for the winch and plumb into it direct to test for operation. Swap the hoses to reverse the flow and direction of winch drum.

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Hhhhmmm, didn't think of that.  I have a couple of open ports on my deere. It wouldn't be that hard to do.  Thanks for mentioning it.

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On 5/29/2022 at 12:34 PM, dhutch said:

The hydraulics  seem to only control the valve to shift the winch in gear, which is driven from the trans pto.

So it is a PTO winch/ with hyd. controls?? A picture of the winch and control levers would maybe help? If the hyd pressure is only shifting a gear air might do it for testing?

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Honestly, I'm not sure if its a pto drive or hydraulically driven. I bought a manual, but I didn't notice anywhere on how to tell short of when installing it.

The canister on the right side near the loader controls appears to be a filter in the return line. The way the winch is mounted would make it hard to get to the internal filters in the control valve area.

 

Any help is appreciated.

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Think I've located a manual but cannot attach a .pdf. Send me your email address and I'll get it to you. Looks like it is PTO driven and hydraulic power shifted.

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