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I just committed to buying a 2404 ,unseen ,gas engine not running is all I know.

How /where can I find any threads related to this tractor.

 

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most you would find is 404,this should have the shuttle and hd axle ,rode rough on govt work....?

high # c-135 so parts are + - tough nla  vs nLA for low 135

kind of a cheap 340 and Sc/200 marriage

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Ok I IMG_20220601_134421.thumb.jpg.8b4a4f5f6a5e81f4543bbe0bfcbf363a.jpgIMG_20220601_134353.thumb.jpg.8e6d06538cfcc6b6a0c0f475a0cb148e.jpgSo I have had it home awhile. I have spent a few hours on it, cleaned the carb well, changed the plugs and one plug wire. New sediment bowl. Attempted to clean gas tank. No idea how long since it run. 

First try after doing this it started in 2 second and run nice. I have lost my pictures with the hoods on. These are when I drove it to the pressure washer. IMG_20220601_134421.thumb.jpg.8b4a4f5f6a5e81f4543bbe0bfcbf363a.jpgIMG_20220601_134409.thumb.jpg.8eb890bab87066de01170f65147abaa4.jpgIMG_20220601_134353.thumb.jpg.8e6d06538cfcc6b6a0c0f475a0cb148e.jpg

Now I need help please. The steering is absolutely mad, if you move the wheel an inch it would change direction, 2 inches will put it in a tight circle. I presume something is wrong. Thank you specialist's. 

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6 minutes ago, snoshoe said:

First thought was hand pump not metering. Second thought should have a pilot valve hiding there some where. Start there.

Pilot valve as in diverter with a tiny flow control hole supposedly feeding the hose going to hand pump. 

If it is hand pump as your #1 suggestion where should I start to diagnose or fix. 

Thank you. 

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Power steering issues? It's mechanical with power assistance if it is PS

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Based on this picture what would be the part to fail to cause this over reaction. IMG_20220613_175136.thumb.jpg.98444ef7d85b64dcc6c406de2980e7ed.jpg

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I do not know exactly what goes on there but I presume minimal flow is supposed to go to steering and the remainder does to the hydraulic remote, no 3pt.

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I'm confused as the pictures show the steering shafting like my c, through 240 tractors have . How can it be all hydraulic, thought it was hydraulic assist mechanical linkage .... 

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13 minutes ago, bitty said:

I'm confused as the pictures show the steering shafting like my c, through 240 tractors have . How can it be all hydraulic, thought it was hydraulic assist mechanical linkage .... 

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Honesty I have not got on my knees or back and examined the purpose of that shaft and what it links to. 

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I don't believe it is hooked to the steering or it would spin like crazy when the cylinder reacts. 

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The 2404 we had was equipped with hydrostatic steering. I did not notice the mechanical in your picture. Believe you will find steering shaft is not connected to linkage on front axle. Suspect front bolster problem.

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6 minutes ago, snoshoe said:

The 2404 we had was equipped with hydrostatic steering. I did not notice the mechanical in your picture. Believe you will find steering shaft is not connected to linkage on front axle. Suspect front bolster problem.

Ok, was it originally front bolster steered and converted to hydrostatic steering I assume ..

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I will have a look and check that out. Thank you. 

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1 hour ago, bitty said:

Ok, was it originally front bolster steered and converted to hydrostatic steering I assume ..

OK had time to think. We bought it new. It was hydrostatic when bought. It was reversed control with a harlo mast. Could have been converted by harlo. No gearbox in bolster. All linkage was on axle. Suspect IH built it hydro for Harlo. 504 utility was hydro so they had the parts.

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I just went and had a quick look, I think there is something wrong in gearbox in top of bolster. 

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17 minutes ago, snoshoe said:

Quite likely. 

I knew I would get help at Red Power quickly. 

Thank you. 

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Looking at the online parts book for the 2404, a power steering tractor should have a cylinder on the right side of the front axle.  In your pictures I see hoses that go from under the dash to that area.  The parts book also shows a hydraulic steering control under the dash with 4 hydraulic ports as well as the manual shaft, u joints etc to the steering gear under the radiator.  

Speculation on my part, maybe this is how it operates:  Moving the steering wheel sends oil to the cylinder. The  steering gear and shaft then provides feedback to the steering control as well as manual steering backup.


1.  Check the steering shaft  u joints, keys and roll pins to be sure none are sheared.  Also check the steering arm under the steering gear.  It has a key that may be sheared.

2.  jacking up the front end would allow you to test the steering gear by manually steering with the tractor not running.  If it steers OK with no bumps, grinds, etc in the steering gear, the problem is likely in the hydraulic control valve.

Jeff Foreman,   jeffsbigdawg@gmail.com   advertises rebuilt valves in Red Power Magazine.  

The valve picture you posted is the flow divider and priority valve for the steering.

Brian

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I don't have it apart yet, that job looks a bit challenging to say the least. 

It looks very likely that the worm and worm gear are sick unless I get lucky and find a key inside sheered or fallen out which I highly doubt. 

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I see it is almost 2 months since my inquiry here, I got lucky short term ,at some point the nut on the steering shaft must have come loose and it was run that way until the arm and shaft wore loose enough it was parked . The key was cut in half. 

I did a MacGyver fix with a new key and 2 full tubes of J B Weld and gave it 48 hours before I touched it. Once I actually drove it again I discovered I need at least 2 new tie rod ends.

I got it to town for the parade but probably shouldn't have because one chamber on the float is cracked and eventually flooded to bad to run.

Don't grill me about the date ,everytime I start my trail camera I forget to correct the date.

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