6 point wrenches

[acem]

My friend had old school craftsman wrenches in Whitworth. Highly recommended.

[IHKeith]

I've been looking into a standby generator, a professional in that industry suggested a Generac, but they are 12000, I can get a Chinese one that is supposed to be good for 9500, or an old 305 chevy powered one for an 8 hour drive and 3500, not sure what choice to make...

[vtfireman85]

34 minutes ago, IHKeith said:

I've been looking into a standby generator, a professional in that industry suggested a Generac, but they are 12000, I can get a Chinese one that is supposed to be good for 9500, or an old 305 chevy powered one for an 8 hour drive and 3500, not sure what choice to make...

What are your needs? 

[IHKeith]

11 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said:

What are your needs? 

I don't have a need for much other than good health and fair weather, I was kindly poking fun at your wrench situation in relative terms, that Carlyle set is a deal

[Twolines]

X2 on the carlyle set. If u were closer id sell u a set....think im somewhere around 300 wrenches of sorts. 

Ive got a real nice set of 6 pt proto from the 70s? picked up at a garage sale.

Last summer I picked up a 3/4 williams ratchet for 20 bucks! Its a beast!

[vtfireman85]

5 minutes ago, IHKeith said:

I don't have a need for much other than good health and fair weather, I was kindly poking fun at your wrench situation in relative terms, that Carlyle set is a deal

It is, but it sort of kills me when I have several nice sets and countless mismatched sets to buy… another expensive set. I used to Take some crap for my strings of wrenches, i string them together on a piece of paracord, yard sale tools etc., i have them in all sorts of outbuildings and vehicles. then I started noticing the people around me who were picking on my “old man habits” started having strings of tools as well.  
guess i am a trend setter. 
i make screwdriver and allen wrench holders out of flexible conduit too. Drill holes in it enough to force the tools into it. Its cheap and keeps them together. 

[IHKeith]

21 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said:

It is, but it sort of kills me when I have several nice sets and countless mismatched sets to buy… another expensive set. I used to Take some crap for my strings of wrenches, i string them together on a piece of paracord, yard sale tools etc., i have them in all sorts of outbuildings and vehicles. then I started noticing the people around me who were picking on my “old man habits” started having strings of tools as well.  
guess i am a trend setter. 
i make screwdriver and allen wrench holders out of flexible conduit too. Drill holes in it enough to force the tools into it. Its cheap and keeps them together. 

You won't regret having the additional wrenches, 6 points have a place, beyond the gripping of corroded fasteners, the gripping of poorly manufactured bleeder screws without soaking your ratchet with brake fluid is worth it, sometimes the ratchet doesn't fit too

You don't walk around with a 4' pipe wrench on your belt but I'm sure you have one

[vtfireman85]

5 hours ago, IHKeith said:

You don't walk around with a 4' pipe wrench on your belt but I'm sure you have one

Depending on where i am walking, it might be the only way I would go.

[yellowrosefarm]

6 hours ago, IHKeith said:

You won't regret having the additional wrenches, 6 points have a place, beyond the gripping of corroded fasteners, the gripping of poorly manufactured bleeder screws without soaking your ratchet with brake fluid is worth it, sometimes the ratchet doesn't fit too

You don't walk around with a 4' pipe wrench on your belt but I'm sure you have one

Like this one?

[Injpumped]

I know Snap On wrenches are expensive as gold, but the 12 pt on a regular combination snap on wrench will likely work for you, eliminating the need to purchase those clumsy 6 point wrenches. I try to get all my sockets and wrenches in 12 point, a few 6 point around from old sets, but never use them. The flank drive works! I remember when they were the only ones with it, and the mac tool guy would say it's a gimmick lol! Well, as soon as the patent expired, guess what all the wrenches started advertising? You got it, a "flank drive" style rounded corners box end 12 point on their wrenches lol! I have lots of Matco, Snap On, and a few Mac, and while they all work better than the old style, the snap on still grabs better on a stubborn tight fastener. 

[red2thebone sr]

Just find one of those wrenches like in the “Old Tool” thread. Problem solved. 🙂🙂

[vtfireman85]

11 minutes ago, Art From Coleman said:

Whitworth, another British 'innovation' that took the Americans (SAE), and the French (Metric) to simplify and make work.

Metric yes, saying SAE is simpler is a stretch. 

[vtfireman85]

35 minutes ago, Injpumped said:

I know Snap On wrenches are expensive as gold, but the 12 pt on a regular combination snap on wrench will likely work for you, eliminating the need to purchase those clumsy 6 point wrenches. I try to get all my sockets and wrenches in 12 point, a few 6 point around from old sets, but never use them. The flank drive works! I remember when they were the only ones with it, and the mac tool guy would say it's a gimmick lol! Well, as soon as the patent expired, guess what all the wrenches started advertising? You got it, a "flank drive" style rounded corners box end 12 point on their wrenches lol! I have lots of Matco, Snap On, and a few Mac, and while they all work better than the old style, the snap on still grabs better on a stubborn tight fastener. 

I doubt it would help in this case as most of them don’t have any points to grab anymore, bleed a machine a few times with vice grips on brass heads and you aren't left with a lot 

[New Englander]

On 4/7/2022 at 4:46 AM, vtfireman85 said:

What is the actual size of the 1/8” Whitworth? And the 9/16when bleeding i have had to use everything from 5/16 which was a little sloppy to 3/4 which fit ok (i was of course using SAE), i see 8 piece sets 1/8-9/16 on ebay. I also see some used open end sets which may actually be better quality? 

I bought most of my Brit tools over 50 years ago when presented with the limitations of adjustable wrenches. They’re Brit names and I’m on the road so don’t remember. The exception are the King Tony offset box ends that I bought maybe 15 years ago. They’re good quality, maybe from Taiwan.

For the little use they’ll probably get Amazon or EBay offerings should suffice. 
 

In my youth my peers and I cursed, out of ignorance, anything not a unf or unc. We hated metric, WW, BS, BC. As it turns out the metric system is superior although most of my old equipment is other than metric. We called BSF, British Standard Fine, British Strip Fine, and that was often true with the post war hardware on our bikes.

The wrenches will have two markings:

 

[New Englander]

2 hours ago, Art From Coleman said:

Whitworth, another British 'innovation' that took the Americans (SAE), and the French (Metric) to simplify and make work.

Well, it WAS quite the innovation. Prior to Sir Joseph's work there was pretty much no standard thread form or pitch. Machines made by one builder had to have hardware from that same builder whereas once they had a standard it became, well, standardized, and repairs could be done by others. England was the center of industrial activity and invention and the standard hardware just accelerated progress. Parts could be outsourced from another shop and bolted together. Is there a better system, yes, but for the 19th century it was a major step forward. Sadly I still hear folks complaining about metric, a system we were supposed to adopt decades ago. Think  about all the trouble we went through learning to multiply and divide fractions; what a waste of time.

 

[mike newman]

17 minutes ago, Art From Coleman said:

Sounds a whole h3ll of a lot like the British were trying to take credit for what the French invented, later improved upon and expanded by Eli Whitney.

 

https://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1252.htm

Would NOT have been the only time that the tea sippers and crumpet munchers claim to have 'invented' some primitive technology, only to have an American vastly improve upon it, improvements and inventions that MADE the United States THE industrial giant of the world, and NOT, as Napoleon once said about England, "a nation of shopkeepers".

Art

.."In the setting of their sun.....let us not forget the splendour of their noon''......Cecil  Rhodes

,,,your  rather acerbic comment re the British   efforts at advancing technology,   merited this quote.....

Mike

[just Dave]

I like that Mike ...We used to call that hero to zero...you can keep a plant running for years  and one screw up !!!!!!!!!!

[int 504]

You might like the British manufacturer King Dick. I vaguely remember some sort of comments about their tools in association with Land Rovers and other British vehicles and motorcyles.

[just Dave]

On 4/6/2022 at 7:29 PM, vtfireman85 said:

need some 6 point wrenches

I bought a Steelman set online from lowes 6pt   Cheap and good. I have double wrenched with a few different sizes with no breakage. Also a very good fit.

[hippy5488]

i wouldnt be afraid of the icons. i have been impressed with there quality. all my tools in shop are snapon or mac. service truck hasa little bit of everything in it from wright, williams or Slip and Kill. broke 2 SK ratchets 35 miles from home on a sunday. 10 miles from harbor freight store bought a long handle flex head 1/2 icon ratchet put 2 foot pipe on it. it took the bolts out that broke the anvils off the Slip and Kills

[New Englander]

1 hour ago, int 504 said:

You might like the British manufacturer King Dick. I vaguely remember some sort of comments about their tools in association with Land Rovers and other British vehicles and motorcyles.

I have some King Dick imperial wrenches and maybe some of my WW spanners are King Dick.

[Injpumped]

Just an FYI, the fasteners on a CAV DPA pump like the one pictured in the other thread, should be all standard USA sizes. The CAV DPA was built under license of Hartford Machine Screw, aka Standard Screw, aka Roosa Master, now Stanadyne. I've only seen a couple of the dpa's off IH Neuss engines, but they were just like the Perkins dpa's, all std. The bleeders are supposed to be steel, so makes me think someone put something that doesn't belong there lol!

[sandhiller]

[vtfireman85]

4 hours ago, Injpumped said:

Just an FYI, the fasteners on a CAV DPA pump like the one pictured in the other thread, should be all standard USA sizes. The CAV DPA was built under license of Hartford Machine Screw, aka Standard Screw, aka Roosa Master, now Stanadyne. I've only seen a couple of the dpa's off IH Neuss engines, but they were just like the Perkins dpa's, all std. The bleeders are supposed to be steel, so makes me think someone put something that doesn't belong there lol!

The blue arrows might be steel bleeders, but the yellow is brass. And the banjos at every line connection are brass with aluminum washers. Not the best idea they have ever come up with. 

[Injpumped]

the banjos and banjo bolts are steel, and looks like someone put copper washers in them. The washers are also steel, but some older ones with lower opening nozzles may have used copper. Those should take a 9/16" wrench. The small bleeders use a 5/16" wrench. The bleeder body is sealed in the aluminum housing with a copper washer as well.