vtfireman85 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Spent quite a lot of time yesterday going through the fuel system on the B275, its SAE tools required but oddly enough they don’t fit as well as you might hope for. Tried metric but it really doesn’t work. This tractor must have been owned by someone who had nothing but vice grips, much time was spent working with a 3 corner file to clean up brass banjo bolts to get them cleaned up so they could be loosened up to remove. long story short i need some 6 point wrenches . I have a few Napa 6 point that are good quality but not a complete set, just ones picked up in a junk shop. In any event my go to is Carlyle from Napa, they are about 170 bucks 1/4-1” no skipping. I am ok with that but didn't really want to become more invested. ICON are 130 ish, so i cant see going for them over the Carlyle. Snap on prices are out of my reach for this. looking for other suggestions on a decent set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1586 Jeff Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Order the individual wrenches needed if it is just a few? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 Wouldn’t mind a set. If i am spending a fair amount on individuals, might as well go for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I can look at the local antique mall. There is normally a guy in there with more modern tools and good prices. Sometimes even has full sets. Normally craftsman or something recognizable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhiller Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Pawn shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, sandhiller said: Pawn shop? Never seen one in person. im just surprised, seems like every wrench MFR would have sets, seems like only super big brands have em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjf711 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said: I can look at the local antique mall. There is normally a guy in there with more modern tools and good prices. Sometimes even has full sets. Normally craftsman or something recognizable. this is how we got the majority of our wrenches, mom and dad go to florida in the winter and he scours for sets and completes sets over time. Ive rebuilt a few sk ratchets and one snapon that we got for like 5 bucks a crack. I prefer our older bonney wrenches with the thin handles on them to anything newer anyways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhiller Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, vtfireman85 said: Never seen one in person. im just surprised, seems like every wrench MFR would have sets, seems like only super big brands have em. Pawn shop? Usually good bargains on used stuff. Bomgaars is our brand of farm store, they sell singles and sets. Not sure of brand name though. Seems like they are guaranteed against breakage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highcotton Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I’d be inclined to go for the Carlyle set. I’ve been very impressed with the few I have acquired, and plan to get more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHKeith Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I bought my 6 point wrenches from Mac about 4 years ago, they were around 200 Canadian then, for 3/8-3/4 and 10-19, the best deal available at the time, they are a great wrench, only negative is having to buy the 5/16 separately 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12_Guy Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I've had decent luck with the Carlyle tools. I also like to use flare nut wrenches instead of open end on soft brass fittings. They hold much better. Of course the 6 point is best when a line isn't in the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I have some proto, Blackhawk and some old craftsman 6 pt wrenches but not quite complete sets. I normally buy my tools used but buy new ones if needed. I have bought several used tools I needed off fleabay. More expensive than flea markets and yard sales but cheaper than new. If I were buying a used set I'd look on fleabay for a set of proto. Blackhawk would be my second choice, and cheaper. Thx-Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just a hunch is the B for British? They had some oddball stuff with thread sizes and wrenches IIRC 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Whitworth! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 5 hours ago, vtfireman85 said: Wouldn’t mind a set. If i am spending a fair amount on individuals, might as well go for it. You talking ring/open enders ??? You have a splendid array of quality tools from which to choose Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vtfireman85 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 4 hours ago, hardtail said: Just a hunch is the B for British? They had some oddball stuff with thread sizes and wrenches IIRC 🤔 Ive found some stuff on here I suspect to be Whitworth, but Whitworth fell out almost entirely because of WW2 and the need for standardization for the allies. I find it hard to imagine that IH used it much CAV, maybe? But I doubt they wouldn’t have gone away from it in the 30’s IIRC it was the first standardization, but not the best(most popular). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I had a 3414 with the same British engine, BC144 or BD144. The carburetor, fuel pump and assorted lines were Whitworth/ British Standard and I believe some of the diesel fuel system as well. Since I have had Brit bikes and a MGTF I have those spanners. Even though post war, the changeover was like our gradual change from UNC/UNF to metric, so there's still a mix in '60s and '70s stuff. My Norton is UNF except for the engine, which is BSF, well, except for the the primary cover, which is UNC! For something really strange the engine in my TF is all metric, except the bolt heads are all Whitworth so that Brit mechanics could use their tools. The MG engine company was a Continental company that moved to England during WWI then bought by MG. They never changed any tooling, just the bolt and nut heads. You can imagine the mess US mechanics made of repairs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowrosefarm Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/92075431 I've had good success with gearwrench brand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Beale Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 2 hours ago, vtfireman85 said: IRC it was the first standardization, but not the best(most popular). Like 1/2" coarse - UNC 13 tpi, Whitworth 12 tpi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ian Beale said: Like 1/2" coarse - UNC 13 tpi, Whitworth 12 tpi And something strange like a 1/2” spanner refers to the bolt diameter not the actual measurement of the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, New Englander said: I had a 3414 with the same British engine, BC144 or BD144. The carburetor, fuel pump and assorted lines were Whitworth/ British Standard and I believe some of the diesel fuel system as well. Since I have had Brit bikes and a MGTF I have those spanners. Even though post war, the changeover was like our gradual change from UNC/UNF to metric, so there's still a mix in '60s and '70s stuff. My Norton is UNF except for the engine, which is BSF, well, except for the the primary cover, which is UNC! For something really strange the engine in my TF is all metric, except the bolt heads are all Whitworth so that Brit mechanics could use their tools. The MG engine company was a Continental company that moved to England during WWI then bought by MG. They never changed any tooling, just the bolt and nut heads. You can imagine the mess US mechanics made of repairs. What is the actual size of the 1/8” Whitworth? And the 9/16when bleeding i have had to use everything from 5/16 which was a little sloppy to 3/4 which fit ok (i was of course using SAE), i see 8 piece sets 1/8-9/16 on ebay. I also see some used open end sets which may actually be better quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
int 504 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Whitworth or british standard are sized according to the diameter of the bolt shank. Bolt heads are often one size and the nuts one size bigger. Machinery hand book may have decimal sizes for them. As previously mentioned British vehicles and motorcycles changed gradually some bikes in mid seventies still had some Brit sizes. Threads are a different shape as well as different thread count. CEI (cycle engineers institute) threads were used on Brit bikes in addition to the British standard and whitworth. British pipe threads are also different from ours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWRB Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 I had old Craftsman set from HS, with a few missing. I got the replacements from eBay. My only advice would be to look for an eBay Craftsman set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Plow Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I agree, Gearwrench are good tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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