Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, B.B. said: I think your 100% correct in that only older generation farmers who remember IH, or Cub Cadet enthusiasts understand that Cub Cadet was an IH product line before it was sold off. A lot of the folks I work with know at the very minimum that I like tractors, but I've heard it multiple times for me to go get my "John Deere" instead of saying tractor because to them a tractor is a John Deere and a John Deere is a tractor. Kind of like a "crescent" wrench is every adjustable wrench they see, or a "bobcat" is any skid steer loader. These are all town living folks, because the rural folks know I like red tractors! I will confess to knowing some people who call every dozer a Caterpillar. I can’t say that I know anyone who calls every tractor a John Deere, but that doesn’t really surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.B. Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: I will confess to knowing some people who call every dozer a Caterpillar. I can’t say that I know anyone who calls every tractor a John Deere, but that doesn’t really surprise me. I didn't say they were smart! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacka Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Big Bud guy said: You talking about the FAF? Honest question what JD had that? Only thing I can think of was the 00 series combines. And those didn’t work that good. I think what IH had would have worked better if they used a hydraulic driven fan like our JD instead of running a shaft through the radiator. No basically just the sleek,covered engine design.Nice smooth lines, a cab to blend in and match .I just think those 88 series were just nice looking tractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksfarmdude Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 This topic got Derailed lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
766 Man Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jacka said: No basically just the sleek,covered engine design.Nice smooth lines, a cab to blend in and match .I just think those 88 series were just nice looking tractors. I think that the 5X88 series would have sold without most of the mechanical improvements which they had. Rework the cab and incorporate a centerline MFWD. In reality though the 18 speed had to happen as it was a covert operation to figure out some of the logistics of the coming 18 speed Power Shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.B. Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/14/2022 at 5:19 PM, 1086-7130 said: Seems a lot of people seem to have such a dislike for the 86 series. Were there reliabilty issues with these tractors when they first came out. I've had pretty good luck with mine, but wow it just seems some have a very harsh opinion of these rigs. Just wondering out loud if the bad press is deerved??? No real reliability issues. The bad press is largely exaggerated and undeserving. now topic is back on track 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Jacka said: No basically just the sleek,covered engine design.Nice smooth lines, a cab to blend in and match .I just think those 88 series were just nice looking tractors. Ok. I thought you had something. If you want to go down that road then whoever styled the Case 70 series must have went to IH afterwards. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 hours ago, Big Bud guy said: I think what IH had would have worked better if they used a hydraulic driven fan like our JD instead of running a shaft through the radiator. I wonder why IH felt the need to have the fan on the other side of the radiator at all on the 88 series? On my 250 IH track loader it has forward air flow, but the blades on the fan are just angled so it pushes the air instead of pulling it. Lots of dozers had fans with reversible blades so you could make the air go either way depending on if you wanted the heat on the operator or not. It looks like they could have had FAF on the 88 series without having the shaft through the radiator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said: Ok. I thought you had something. If you want to go down that road then whoever styled the Case 70 series must have went to IH afterwards. that is really stretching it isn't it? LOL. other than the sloped grille there is absolutely NOTHING common on those tractors,. Its hardly patent worthy 🕵️♂️ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, hillman said: that is really stretching it isn't it? LOL. other than the sloped grille there is absolutely NOTHING common on those tractors,. Its hardly patent worthy 🕵️♂️ And don't you think it was a BIG stretch when he said JD copied the 88 series style? Or did you even read that post?? Keep up. Besides unless you are blind, there is way more similarity between that Case above and IH 88 series style then what JD has ever made. So no it isn't a stretch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: I wonder why IH felt the need to have the fan on the other side of the radiator at all on the 88 series? I thought was because fans are more efficient pulling air than pushing it is why they placed it on the front. I thought IH had the concept right. All IH had to do is mount the fan on a motor. It didn't work on the JD combines because they were actually pulling warm air through the radiator. Ford tried the same thing on the 9n. They were originally pusher fans to keep the heat off the operator. Didn't take long for farmers to discover the limitations of that in warm weather so they switched to the regular fan but did have the pusher fan as an option. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.B. Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Best looking tractor CASE ever made 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacka Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: And don't you think it was a BIG stretch when he said JD copied the 88 series style? Or did you even read that post?? Keep up. Besides unless you are blind, there is way more similarity between that Case above and IH 88 series style then what JD has ever made. So no it isn't a stretch. Wasn't a stretch at all.I said sleek styling with enclosed engine covers.JD followed with their engines covered. IH was the first to my knowledge of that size tractors to do that.Now they all are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZG6E Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: Keep up. Could you be any more arrogant? By the way- that question was rhetorical. However, I'm just certain you will grace us all with an answer anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.B. Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 best looking green tractor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jacka said: Wasn't a stretch at all.I said sleek styling with enclosed engine covers.JD followed with their engines covered. IH was the first to my knowledge of that size tractors to do that.Now they all are. If you want to take credit for that by all means go ahead. IH leading the way by enclosing their engines. They should have concentrated on other things that actually mattered then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binderoid Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said: I wonder why IH felt the need to have the fan on the other side of the radiator at all on the 88 series? On my 250 IH track loader it has forward air flow, but the blades on the fan are just angled so it pushes the air instead of pulling it. Lots of dozers had fans with reversible blades so you could make the air go either way depending on if you wanted the heat on the operator or not. It looks like they could have had FAF on the 88 series without having the shaft through the radiator. Possible noise reduction? As you say, blower fans have worked on track vehicles for 100 years. The air system seems to be sealed up pretty good, I don’t see how fin damage could be an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farming Enthusiast Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: If you want to take credit for that by all means go ahead. IH leading the way by enclosing their engines. They should have concentrated on other things that actually mattered then. I'd say with the exception of the sentry the 88 series are pretty darn good tractors. Im not gonna get into issues my neighbor has had over the years with his JDs from his 4020 in the late sixties early 70s all the way until now with his new JD. I'd say considering all the money he put into them tractors I would've switched brands long ago. But, all brands/models have bugs. At least the sentry isn't anything major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass1660 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, B.B. said: best looking green tractor If you like a cramped, loud cab..... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Bud guy said: Ok. I thought you had something. If you want to go down that road then whoever styled the Case 70 series must have went to IH afterwards. Boy you were almost right. The lead designer for case worked at gm . John Melberg is his name. It lists some of the early 72, 73 Pontiac and Chevy cars as credit to his team. He then went to case, onto his own work. This reviled designer did the magnum tractor in work with ih designer. Also Thomas buses later on he designed. The ihc designer worked for caterpillar, ford , ihc even has case listed as a company his design studio worked for. What they did I don’t know. All those engineers designers were the same age, went through some of the same design schools and other education systems. It isn’t a big stretch their products look a lot alike. But you sure upset the apple cart saying a case might look like a ihc, if you google the case designer and Gregg Montgomery they have a lot of the same styling cues. I will post a picture of the wild design for the 70 series he had later. Keep post big bud remember to love all tractors equally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacka Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: If you want to take credit for that by all means go ahead. IH leading the way by enclosing their engines. They should have concentrated on other things that actually mattered then. Geeze lighten up dude, I am not taken credit for anything just pointing out a observation and fact.Maybe you should lighten up and realize IH was around for a very long time and made a lot of very fine products. JD didn't make guns for the army,trucks to haul freight and cars for wives to go to town .Unless you come up with another fable to say they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Being this thread has gone so wrong here is some of the work for case design and Montgomery had a lot of similarities . The gm cars are by the case designer, remember the ihc guy did ford pickups and cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Raymond Loewy designed the Letter Series and the 100 series Cockshutts- I don't see any significance to that I read the book "The Breakup" by Paul Wallen and found this excerpt interesting You guys deal in "what ifs "so here is one to " upset the apple cart" eventually ( a year later) ended up with Tenneco buying IH but Case initially had interest in rebadged IH tractors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFixEmUp Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Big Bud So I guess the 66 and 86 series of tractors are copies of the Olivers then? Pretty similar to me! Oh no, the 686 has the same number of holes in the grille! Lawsuit time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 ^ just add that to the long list of mistakes IH made👌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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