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12 minutes ago, B.B. said:

I think your 100% correct in that only older generation farmers who remember IH, or Cub Cadet enthusiasts understand that Cub Cadet was an IH product line before it was sold off.  

 

A lot of the folks I work with know at the very minimum that I like tractors, but I've heard it multiple times for me to go get my "John Deere" instead of saying tractor because to them a tractor is a John Deere and a John Deere is a tractor.   Kind of like a "crescent" wrench is every adjustable wrench they see, or a "bobcat" is any skid steer loader.    These are all town living folks, because the rural folks know I like red tractors! :) 

 

 

 

 

I will confess to knowing some people who call every dozer a Caterpillar. I can’t say that I know anyone who calls every tractor a John Deere, but that doesn’t really surprise me. 

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12 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I will confess to knowing some people who call every dozer a Caterpillar. I can’t say that I know anyone who calls every tractor a John Deere, but that doesn’t really surprise me. 

I didn't say they were smart! :)  

 

 

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6 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

You talking about the FAF?  Honest question what JD had that?  Only thing I can think of was the 00 series combines.  And those didn’t work that good.   I think what IH had would have worked better if they used a hydraulic driven fan like our JD instead of running a shaft through the radiator.

No basically just the sleek,covered engine design.Nice smooth lines, a cab to blend in and match .I just think those 88 series were just nice looking tractors. 

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4 minutes ago, Jacka said:

No basically just the sleek,covered engine design.Nice smooth lines, a cab to blend in and match .I just think those 88 series were just nice looking tractors. 

  I think that the 5X88 series would have sold without most of the mechanical improvements which they had.  Rework the cab and incorporate a centerline MFWD.  In reality though the 18 speed had to happen as it was a covert operation to figure out some of the logistics of the coming 18 speed Power Shift.  

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On 2/14/2022 at 5:19 PM, 1086-7130 said:

Seems a lot of people seem to have such a dislike for the 86 series. Were there reliabilty issues with these tractors when they first came out. I've had pretty good luck with mine, but wow it just seems some have a very harsh opinion of these rigs. Just wondering out loud if the bad press is deerved???

No real reliability issues.  The bad press is largely exaggerated and undeserving. 
 

 

 

now topic is back on track ;)

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1 hour ago, Jacka said:

No basically just the sleek,covered engine design.Nice smooth lines, a cab to blend in and match .I just think those 88 series were just nice looking tractors. 

 

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Ok.  I thought you had something.  If you want to go down that road then whoever styled the Case 70 series must have went to IH afterwards.

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7 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

I think what IH had would have worked better if they used a hydraulic driven fan like our JD instead of running a shaft through the radiator.

I wonder why IH felt the need to have the fan on the other side of the radiator at all on the 88 series? On my 250 IH track loader it has forward air flow, but the blades on the fan are just angled so it pushes the air instead of pulling it. Lots of dozers had fans with reversible blades so you could make the air go either way depending on if you wanted the heat on the operator or not. It looks like they could have had FAF on the 88 series without having the shaft through the radiator. 

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1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said:

 

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Ok.  I thought you had something.  If you want to go down that road then whoever styled the Case 70 series must have went to IH afterwards.

that is really stretching it isn't it? LOL. other than the sloped grille there is absolutely NOTHING common on those tractors,. Its hardly patent worthy 🕵️‍♂️

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4 minutes ago, hillman said:

that is really stretching it isn't it? LOL. other than the sloped grille there is absolutely NOTHING common on those tractors,. Its hardly patent worthy 🕵️‍♂️

And don't you think it was a BIG stretch when he said JD copied the 88 series style?  Or did you even read that post??  Keep up.  Besides unless you are blind, there is way more similarity between that Case above and IH 88 series style then what JD has ever made.  So no it isn't a stretch.  

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1 hour ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I wonder why IH felt the need to have the fan on the other side of the radiator at all on the 88 series? 

I thought was because fans are more efficient pulling air than pushing it is why they placed it on the front.  I thought IH had the concept right.   All IH had to do is mount the fan on a motor.  It didn't work on the JD combines because they were actually pulling warm air through the radiator.  Ford tried the same thing on the 9n.  They were originally pusher fans to keep the heat off the operator.  Didn't take long for farmers to discover the limitations of that in warm weather so they switched to the regular fan but did have the pusher fan as an option.  

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8 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

And don't you think it was a BIG stretch when he said JD copied the 88 series style?  Or did you even read that post??  Keep up.  Besides unless you are blind, there is way more similarity between that Case above and IH 88 series style then what JD has ever made.  So no it isn't a stretch.  

Wasn't a stretch at all.I said sleek styling with enclosed engine covers.JD followed with their  engines covered. IH was the first to my knowledge of that size tractors to do that.Now they all are.

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12 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Keep up. 

Could you be any more arrogant? 

 

By the way- that question was rhetorical. However, I'm just certain you will grace us all with an answer anyway. 

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16 minutes ago, Jacka said:

Wasn't a stretch at all.I said sleek styling with enclosed engine covers.JD followed with their  engines covered. IH was the first to my knowledge of that size tractors to do that.Now they all are.

If you want to take credit for that by all means go ahead.  IH leading the way by enclosing their engines.  They should have concentrated on other things that actually mattered then.  

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1 hour ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I wonder why IH felt the need to have the fan on the other side of the radiator at all on the 88 series? On my 250 IH track loader it has forward air flow, but the blades on the fan are just angled so it pushes the air instead of pulling it. Lots of dozers had fans with reversible blades so you could make the air go either way depending on if you wanted the heat on the operator or not. It looks like they could have had FAF on the 88 series without having the shaft through the radiator. 

 Possible noise reduction? As you say, blower fans have worked on track vehicles for 100 years. The air system seems to be sealed up pretty good, I don’t see how fin damage could be an issue 

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16 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

 

 

If you want to take credit for that by all means go ahead.  IH leading the way by enclosing their engines.  They should have concentrated on other things that actually mattered then.  

I'd say with the exception of the sentry the 88 series are pretty darn good tractors. Im not gonna get into issues my neighbor has had over the years with his JDs from his 4020 in the late sixties early 70s all the way until now with his new JD. I'd say considering all the money he put into them tractors I would've switched brands long ago. But, all brands/models  have bugs. At least the sentry isn't anything major. 

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2 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

 

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Ok.  I thought you had something.  If you want to go down that road then whoever styled the Case 70 series must have went to IH afterwards.

Boy you were almost right. The lead designer for case worked at gm . John Melberg is his name. It lists some of the early 72, 73 Pontiac and Chevy cars as credit to his team. He then went to case, onto his own work. This reviled designer did the magnum tractor in work with ih designer. Also Thomas buses later on he designed. The ihc designer worked for caterpillar, ford , ihc  even has case listed as a company his design studio worked for. What they did I don’t know. All those engineers designers were the same age, went through some of the same design schools and other education systems.  It isn’t a big stretch their products look a lot alike. But you sure upset the apple cart saying a case might look like a ihc, if you google the case designer and Gregg Montgomery they have a lot of the same styling cues. I will post a picture of the wild design for the 70 series he had later. Keep post big bud remember to love all tractors equally

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46 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

 

 

If you want to take credit for that by all means go ahead.  IH leading the way by enclosing their engines.  They should have concentrated on other things that actually mattered then.  

Geeze lighten up dude, I am not taken credit for anything just pointing out a observation and fact.Maybe you should lighten up and realize IH was around for a very long time and  made a lot of very fine products. JD didn't make guns for the army,trucks to haul freight and cars for wives to go to town .Unless you come up with another fable to say they did.

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Raymond Loewy designed the Letter Series and the 100 series Cockshutts- I don't see any significance to that 

 I read the book "The Breakup"  by Paul Wallen and found this excerpt interesting You guys deal in "what ifs "so here is one to " upset the apple cart"

 

eventually ( a year later) ended up with Tenneco buying IH but Case initially had interest in rebadged IH tractors 

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Big Bud

So I guess the 66 and 86 series of tractors are copies of the Olivers then? 

Pretty similar to me!

Oh no, the 686 has the same number of holes in the grille! Lawsuit time!

1972 OLIVER 1955INTERNATIONAL 686 at EquipmentFacts.comINTERNATIONAL 1466

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