dale560 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 My suggestion is to buy a John Deere gas tractor. They have to be the most evilest tractor out there to get started. Not the engines fault the hydraulic pump took more hp to turn than the starters could supply. A 766 gas would be a unique tractor to have . One day I would like to have the 06 through 86 series lineup always a dream to try to fulfill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan No Till Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 2640 Diesel, messed with it forever. Finally scraped the starter, high torque aluminum, heavy cables to the block and starter, problem solved. Deere dealer wanted me to put their fancy crank HYD delete valve in. That little starter, heavy cables and new pair of batteries.. Very doable on the coldest days. Ashamed to talk up green like this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacka Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 If a gasser is needed and desired wouldn't the best one be LP model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan No Till Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 If carb did not freeze.. No experience here. 460 tricycle when I was a kid would start and freeze in freezing temps. Wish I still had it, and milked cows! 656D hydro was my favorite go to tractor, parked in the back of the shed at the hint of cold weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Jacka said: If a gasser is needed and desired wouldn't the best one be LP model? Some of my early experience was lp forklifts. To start in cold weather. Squirt gas in carb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1468 Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 The propane's I've been around are very cold blooded. Not real high on my list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFixEmUp Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Maybe unwelcome here but those older Oliver gas engines are about as un cold blooded as they come. Don't know what is so special about them but they are nice in the winter. 1600 - 1655 or 1700 - 1755. And no I don't have one, but worked on several. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, FarmerFixEmUp said: Maybe unwelcome here but those older Oliver gas engines are about as un cold blooded as they come. Don't know what is so special about them but they are nice in the winter. 1600 - 1655 or 1700 - 1755. And no I don't have one, but worked on several. Lots of those running loaders up here and they were reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-C-IL Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Was at an auction a month ago, Bitterly cold out. They had a Oliver Super 77 gas that was started and PURRING. Smoothest running old gasser I've ever heard. The M right beside it they could not get started. Lot of us were warming up our hands on the Oliver manifold....it was so cold you could put your hands right on the manifold and not get burned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 48 minutes ago, Jeff-C-IL said: Was at an auction a month ago, Bitterly cold out. They had a Oliver Super 77 gas that was started and PURRING. Smoothest running old gasser I've ever heard. The M right beside it they could not get started. Lot of us were warming up our hands on the Oliver manifold....it was so cold you could put your hands right on the manifold and not get burned! My distant cousin ,buddy has a 1650 Oliver that the uncle bought new with a f25 farmhand loader. They had a 1550 with f10 they sold when uncle sold this one. They fed between 500 and 1200 calves every year with it. He was telling me that flat hood was great. Really cold weather walk out on hood kneel down and grab onto muffler with gloves. They ran those Oliver’s a lot other than clutches they were good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhiller Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 hours ago, FarmerFixEmUp said: Maybe unwelcome here but those older Oliver gas engines are about as un cold blooded as they come. Don't know what is so special about them but they are nice in the winter. 1600 - 1655 or 1700 - 1755. And no I don't have one, but worked on several. I have a don't know how old 77 that was sold new and lived it's life down here on the river. I am the third owner. It has always started easy and motor impressed me as running quiet and smooth as a sewing machine. With a pto pump it just may find new life powering the hyd chute. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFixEmUp Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Sandhiller, 1953 by serial number. https://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/6/7/671-oliver-77.html 77 Serial Numbers Location: early: rear main frame and transmission, front-right side later: below instrument panel 1948: 320001 1949: 320241 1950: 327901 1951: 337243 1952: 347904 1953: 3500001 1954: 4501667 Final: 4504470 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHhogfarmer Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 @sandhiller meaning yours is the 5th build in 1953. Since the first was 3500001 and yours is 3500006 45 minutes ago, FarmerFixEmUp said: Sandhiller, 1953 by serial number. https://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/6/7/671-oliver-77.html 77 Serial Numbers Location: early: rear main frame and transmission, front-right side later: below instrument panel 1948: 320001 1949: 320241 1950: 327901 1951: 337243 1952: 347904 1953: 3500001 1954: 4501667 Final: 4504470 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1468 Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 I was real close to buying a Allis wd about a month ago, biggest drawback for me is it has to have a fast hitch for a yard tractor. It's way too handy to not use a jack to hook things up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pete1468 said: I was real close to buying a Allis wd about a month ago, biggest drawback for me is it has to have a fast hitch for a yard tractor. It's way too handy to not use a jack to hook things up. After using a fast hitch for that type of work I agree. Brother has a 656 NF 263 gas FH , we also have a 706 gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1468 Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 I did find a 686 German diesel, dad bought one new and that would be my weakness, that was the gutsyist 65 HP tractor I was ever around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kffischer Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, Pete1468 said: I was real close to buying a Allis wd about a month ago, biggest drawback for me is it has to have a fast hitch for a yard tractor. It's way too handy to not use a jack to hook things up. Well, a WD has the lift arms. I have a hold my beer idea. Make a fasthitch wishbone work under a Wd or wd45. I think the wishbone needs to sit in front of the allis mounting point for the prong points to be in the right place relative to the pto shaft. I had a few adult beverages a few years ago and took a tape measure between the 400 and the wd. Didn't write down anything.... Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Fan Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 16 hours ago, kffischer said: Well, a WD has the lift arms. I have a hold my beer idea. Make a fasthitch wishbone work under a Wd or wd45. I think the wishbone needs to sit in front of the allis mounting point for the prong points to be in the right place relative to the pto shaft. I had a few adult beverages a few years ago and took a tape measure between the 400 and the wd. Didn't write down anything.... Karl Interesting thought. I may look into this when it warms up. I have a couple of snap-coupler three point adapters, maybe a guy could 'install' the lift-arm pockets on from a fast hitch. Geometry could be an issue though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroschaFamilyDairy Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Man Oh Man!! 😂 That is Just Soooo..Wrong, 😁on so many Levels. Just My Opinion, 😁 Jim Droscha's 2 Cents 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepoweshiekfarmalls Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 The IH 263 gas has always been a reliable starting engine in cold weather. All the ones we have owned: throttle at 1/4, pull choke out, crank until it fires, ease choke off slowly as engine warms up. ( Usually in 2 to 3 increments: they will let you know!) A strong battery, good cables and connections and good contacts on the points.... they will start and run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Hillbilly Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 6 hours ago, nepoweshiekfarmalls said: The IH 263 gas has always been a reliable starting engine in cold weather. All the ones we have owned: throttle at 1/4, pull choke out, crank until it fires, ease choke off slowly as engine warms up. ( Usually in 2 to 3 increments: they will let you know!) A strong battery, good cables and connections and good contacts on the points.... they will start and run. Yep. Take their time warming up, but they DO start. I usually let my 706 gas idle to warm up about half choke for 10 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimw Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Did anyone mention Super M’s . - 20 below not plugged in and barely turns over and they fire off. Not many start that good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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