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I was sent some pictures of an old Loadstar that was brought in to the scrap yard.  He said, they won't sell them whole, but maybe you could come see if there are any usable parts.  It looked like a decent truck that had been sitting in an someone's barn, just parked one day and never used again; it still has bees wings in the box.  When I stopped in to look it was in the shredder processing line looking forlorn.  My disease of collecting clapped out, rusty, IH stuff kicked in and I couldn't let it happen.  So with money I didn't have to spend on stuff like this, I talked to the guy in the office and came up with a deal that worked out for both of us.  I bought it as "parts" without a title to pacify the rules of the company and keep people from getting in trouble, but when I went to pay he handed me an envelope with a green title 😁.  Put in a battery, filled the carb up with gas, and drove it up on to the trailer.  I paid way to much for it, IMHO, but maybe I am out of line with my pricing.

Once I got it home I power washed it to evaluate on what I had purchased.  The last time it was plated was 2008 and it still has one full tank of gas which it is magically running on; it idles smooth and doesn't have any exhausts leaks.  But, WOW, does it need a lot of work!  I put it in the barn with the rest of the collection and when the weather gets warm I'll pull it out and start fixing things.

 

 

 

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That looks like it will clean up nicely and already red ❤ 

What's the little box above the cab?

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19 hours ago, acem said:

Sv engine and air brakes! Nice

SV engine?  Judging by the 2bbl carb and log exhaust manifolds, I'd say it was a 345.

15 hours ago, hardtail said:

That looks like it will clean up nicely and already red ❤ 

What's the little box above the cab?

It's one of those that the dirt hid a lot.  Once I washed it, I found all kinds of surprises.  Like rotted cab floor and heavy bondo in the fenders; it may be easier to find some different ones than try to repair these. 

We were trying to figure out what that box was too.  The only thing I can think of is it is made for someone to stand on because it's just wide enough for your boot, but I'm not sure why someone would want to stand there enough to warrant building something like that.

15 hours ago, jeeper61 said:

Nice!! Thank You for the save 

What it got for power? Tranny? Real Tandem? 

Thank you.  Until I get some use out of it, I am having some real buyers remorse, because I spent more than twice as much as I thought it was worth to save it.  It's like spending money you don't have to bail that deadbeat relative out of jail because you feel it's the right thing to do, but still feel dumb for doing it.  And even though they promise to repay, you know you'll never get that money back.  But who knows, maybe once cleaned up and back on the road I'll feel differently.

Live tandem.

It's a 5 speed with a funky shift pattern.  1st/reverse is all the way to the right, 2nd/3rd is all the way to the left, and 4th/5th is in the middle.  Non-syncro first.  I don't have a line set ticket for this, so I don't know what number it would be. We've had several old IH trucks and there seems to be no rhyme or reason for the way they shift.  

I was going to save this for a different post, and I may still if know one knows the answer: It has an aux 4-speed trans behind the main.  I can't find any ID tags on the trans itself and the shift pattern is just 1-4.  I have no idea what it is, but it looks IH.  I have a brownie box in an old GMC truck and that is labeled as 1-3 and 4th labeled OD, which you can clearly tell it is.  I'm hoping that this 4th is an OD too, but won't know until I get it out on the road.  I have a 5.9 Cummins with an AT545 combination out of a school bus and my goal is to swap out the 345.  I know these aux trans have power limits, so I'd really like to find out some specifications.  I may also run into the problem of the gear ratio with a diesel engine not being able to make 55.  So my question is, does anyone know anything about the aux trans in the IH trucks? 

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I have a 3 speed auxiliary trans in my 1850 loadstar. It’s underdrive- direct- overdrive. It’s behind a DT466 and 5 speed.

you can jack up a rear tire and rotate the input shaft one turn and see how much the output shaft turns in each gear to get an idea of the gearing. 
 

mine has that exact aux gear stick. 

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6 hours ago, Cooter said:

It's a 5 speed with a funky shift pattern

I vaguely remember seeing a Mack with that pattern not sure who was the manufacture of it.

IH didn't spin those SV engines that high so I think the gearing will be ok with the Cummins  

This is out of a 50's medium duty Ford manual 

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On 1/11/2022 at 8:10 PM, hardtail said:

That looks like it will clean up nicely and already red ❤ 

What's the little box above the cab?

here they were a little bigger and factory  for tarp and or hoop storage......where you keep the 10' ladder....?

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18 hours ago, Cooter said:

I know these aux trans have power limits, so I'd really like to find out some specifications.

They had to have some beef because they were used behind the main.

They had to take the torque multiplication of of lower gears   

Typically had a low hole and a OD

 

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Good on you. That was surely a BTO rig in it's day. 

It amazes me how many of those trucks were still in use for so long. An attest to IH toughness.

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I would be a little careful running that old gas. I know of more than one engine that the valves stuck from varnish after running for about 1/2 hour or so. That would be enough to make a grown man cry.

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An IH 5-speed was my first guess as they were the standard offering and probably the most used.  But your shift pattern is not IH.  1st & Rev would be to the left so Clark or Warner seems likely.

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10 hours ago, Howard_P said:

But your shift pattern is not IH.  1st & Rev would be to the left so Clark or Warner seems likely.

It appears as if my CRS has cleared a bit and I now remember where if have seen that shift pattern before.

Most of the WW2 and Korean war era military 6x6s had that shift pattern.

I plowed snow with a GMC 6x6 from that era 40 years ago  

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On 1/12/2022 at 11:32 AM, Cooter said:

SV engine?  Judging by the 2bbl carb and log exhaust manifolds, I'd say it was a 345.

It's one of those that the dirt hid a lot.  Once I washed it, I found all kinds of surprises.  Like rotted cab floor and heavy bondo in the fenders; it may be easier to find some different ones than try to repair these. 

We were trying to figure out what that box was too.  The only thing I can think of is it is made for someone to stand on because it's just wide enough for your boot, but I'm not sure why someone would want to stand there enough to warrant building something like that.

Thank you.  Until I get some use out of it, I am having some real buyers remorse, because I spent more than twice as much as I thought it was worth to save it.  It's like spending money you don't have to bail that deadbeat relative out of jail because you feel it's the right thing to do, but still feel dumb for doing it.  And even though they promise to repay, you know you'll never get that money back.  But who knows, maybe once cleaned up and back on the road I'll feel differently.

Live tandem.

It's a 5 speed with a funky shift pattern.  1st/reverse is all the way to the right, 2nd/3rd is all the way to the left, and 4th/5th is in the middle.  Non-syncro first.  I don't have a line set ticket for this, so I don't know what number it would be. We've had several old IH trucks and there seems to be no rhyme or reason for the way they shift.  

I was going to save this for a different post, and I may still if know one knows the answer: It has an aux 4-speed trans behind the main.  I can't find any ID tags on the trans itself and the shift pattern is just 1-4.  I have no idea what it is, but it looks IH.  I have a brownie box in an old GMC truck and that is labeled as 1-3 and 4th labeled OD, which you can clearly tell it is.  I'm hoping that this 4th is an OD too, but won't know until I get it out on the road.  I have a 5.9 Cummins with an AT545 combination out of a school bus and my goal is to swap out the 345.  I know these aux trans have power limits, so I'd really like to find out some specifications.  I may also run into the problem of the gear ratio with a diesel engine not being able to make 55.  So my question is, does anyone know anything about the aux trans in the IH trucks? 

 

On 1/12/2022 at 11:32 AM, Cooter said:

SV engine?  Judging by the 2bbl carb and log exhaust manifolds, I'd say it was a 345.

It's one of those that the dirt hid a lot.  Once I washed it, I found all kinds of surprises.  Like rotted cab floor and heavy bondo in the fenders; it may be easier to find some different ones than try to repair these. 

We were trying to figure out what that box was too.  The only thing I can think of is it is made for someone to stand on because it's just wide enough for your boot, but I'm not sure why someone would want to stand there enough to warrant building something like that.

Thank you.  Until I get some use out of it, I am having some real buyers remorse, because I spent more than twice as much as I thought it was worth to save it.  It's like spending money you don't have to bail that deadbeat relative out of jail because you feel it's the right thing to do, but still feel dumb for doing it.  And even though they promise to repay, you know you'll never get that money back.  But who knows, maybe once cleaned up and back on the road I'll feel differently.

Live tandem.

It's a 5 speed with a funky shift pattern.  1st/reverse is all the way to the right, 2nd/3rd is all the way to the left, and 4th/5th is in the middle.  Non-syncro first.  I don't have a line set ticket for this, so I don't know what number it would be. We've had several old IH trucks and there seems to be no rhyme or reason for the way they shift.  

I was going to save this for a different post, and I may still if know one knows the answer: It has an aux 4-speed trans behind the main.  I can't find any ID tags on the trans itself and the shift pattern is just 1-4.  I have no idea what it is, but it looks IH.  I have a brownie box in an old GMC truck and that is labeled as 1-3 and 4th labeled OD, which you can clearly tell it is.  I'm hoping that this 4th is an OD too, but won't know until I get it out on the road.  I have a 5.9 Cummins with an AT545 combination out of a school bus and my goal is to swap out the 345.  I know these aux trans have power limits, so I'd really like to find out some specifications.  I may also run into the problem of the gear ratio with a diesel engine not being able to make 55.  So my question is, does anyone know anything about the aux trans in the IH trucks? 

I think your main transmission could be a Fuller 5-speed.  I had a 1964 Loadstar 1890 with 345 engine and Fuller 5-speed transmission many years ago…..a really strong pulling truck.  If I remember correctly, 1st gear is all the way to the right and up, and 2nd gear is all the way to left and up.  Reverse is all the way to right and down.  This was one of the best trucks I have ever owned.  
 

Good save Cooter!!

 

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4 hours ago, TRAVELETTE said:

New Process 7550 and 7590 transmissions had the  2  4  R

                                                                                        3  5  1

shift pattern.

I know I had one like that, probably a loadstar F1800. I think it was a t64 maybe, anyway it went down and no parts available and ended up putting in a t36 I think, anyway, it was a more common transmission.

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Here are some pics I took of the both transmissions.  Sorry so crappy, it was dark and I was crawling on my back under winter stored equipment to get the shots.  Hopefully you can make heads or tails of them.

Does this mean the aux trans is an overdrive unit?

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It looks like an IH unit.  Did they use the stock gear set that would typically be in the trans directly behind the engine? I hope it's strong enough to hold up to a stock 5.9 Cummins, because that is really the end goal it to replace the tired old 345 gas.

 

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Here is the main trans.  I know it's hard to see, I couldn't get the correct angle in the dark to get a good picture of it.  It has a large protrusion off the drivers side.   It looks like another spot for the PTO, but I'm not sure why it would stick out so far.  Because of the odd shift pattern, does that mean the main trans is an OD trans too?

 

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On 1/16/2022 at 5:38 PM, TRAVELETTE said:

New Process 7550 and 7590 transmissions had the  2  4  R

                                                                                        3  5  1

shift pattern.

I googled both of those and the pictures I found do not look like the one in the truck.

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Very nice old truck.I always thought those old Loadstars were the most eye appealing truck of any brand during that area and still are in the mid size brand. You  seen 9 IH'S at sale barns unloading cows,grain elevators,farm auctions etc for every 1 of any other brand. 

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