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Since its the off season for farming and well, I have nothing better to do - figured I would turn my attention to my next project. Always wanted to build an articulated tractor, but I thought about it more and realized it would only be a toy. I don't need another one of those as of yet. Better idea would be to make something that would be used. Loader tractor has always been in back of my mind. Since the new or used compact tractors are insane price, why not use what you have here already!?

I have a 782 frame in the shed as well as I have a Massey Ferguson 1450 parts tractor. Just missing a few things off it. Looking at the Massey frame, it seems to be a lot heavier than the 782 frame (thicker gauge steel). Not to mention the fact I think I would cry if I cut a 782 frame up. Thinking if I lengthen the frame some to give me more space sitting on the seat as well as to give it more stability - it might be a bit better for a loader tractor. Don't know if I would make it as long as a 982 frame - but close. I have a Kubota diesel our of a G1700 tractor I could put in it. I would need to make a supply tank for the loader and mount a pump on it and figure out how to hook up some sort of power steering . I wouldn't make it that it would run a mower deck, that isn't needed. This tractor has part of the set up for 3pth, which could come in handy for a blade set up maybe in the future as well it has the rear PTO option too. The one thing I do like about this tractor is that it has foot pedal forward & back. Its a paddle board now, I'd see about converting it to two separate side by side pedals though, I don't like the paddle, I find it annoying to use. The G1700 has a similar set up and it isn't comfortable to use for long periods. I have the grill assembly off the 782 as well as the dash tower that I wouldn't mind making fit on this frame as I like the looks of them more than the Massey. I would have to see what I do about hood and side panels, especially if I was to lengthen the frame.

Wondering who here has built a loader from scratch? What issues did you run into when doing it? How did you decide on placement of the loader frame itself? I've looked at a lot of pictures over the years and I see just about everyone has the back of the loader frame where the arms mount just about at the back fenders. I don't really like that look personally. I think they should be pushed forward more - that being said, I'm sure with the shorter frame you don't have a choice, for balance it has to be further back? Is there stuff you did/designed/made that you would do differently?

Looking for input from everyone. This isn't a project that will be done overnight, that's for sure. Want to make sure I think it out and do it right so I end up with a machine that is totally useable in the end and adds to my working "fleet" of Cubs.

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Had a 1450 at one time really liked that tractor. Mower did a real nice job mowing. Got crazy and traded it for a JD 110. Mistake.

For a loader tractor, I thought you might turn it around and put the loader on the back. Hydro don't care which direction it runs. 

Light bulb: I have a Ariens that needs a motor overhaul and I could use a loader.   LE

 

 

 

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I agree with W30 Lee.  Build a reverse operation loader, I've seen several on full size tractors like Farmall M's, Allis WD-45's, and they are worth the effort.  A hydro Cub Cadet would be simple to convert to reverse operation.

   A guy named MATT Gonitske built a special dedicated loader tractor that he documented on IH Cub Cadet.com a couple years ago,  worth looking for.  And MR. PLOW has built a nice loader tractor too.

    Dad bought the Stan-Hoist loader on the '51 M out in my shop with intentions of making it a reverse operation loader tractor.  Some cotton picker parts, custom mounts for the loader, and a WHOLE Lotta cutting, welding, measuring, and reworking would have been necessary to make it work, the M was the corn picker tractor, 2M-E put on every fall for 20 years, took about 2 days to take loader off and mount the picker, jobs like replacing rubber husking rolls took an extra day or two per repair.  Finally around 1967 a dedicated '48 M was bought to mount the picker on and keep it on! Dad and I removed the picker from it fall of 1972.  

      Something that constantly gets discussed is narrow front end tractors with loaders are dangerous, even deadly. But I've run that '51 M with loader for over 50, almost 60 years. Tractor has NEVER tipped over, I've run the Super H with frt loader about 20 years, never a problem.  A reverse operation loader "Should" be more stable than a front mount loader, even one on a WFE tractor.

   Anyhow,  good luck with your loader project.

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All interesting ideas guys.  Appreciate that.

I've gone ahead and stretched the frame of a Massey 1450, installed the G1700's Kubota engine in it.  I'm in the process of repositioning the rad to the front of the tractor (flywheel end of engine) so that I can have the engine rotating in the correct rotation for the hydro.  Need to build a new fan support to be driven off engine and reroute the coolant lines.  Working out making a fuel tank into a saddle type tank set up on the left side and a fake one on the right side due to the hydraulic levers there.  Scored some 26x12x12 turf tires off a Kubota Zero turn from my local tire guy - that was a free-bee swap.  Those will work good to chain up in the winter for this tractor.  Over all length of it will be about 4 inches or so longer than a 982 not including the loader when done.  Have the 3pth arms installed as well now.  Need to find some 82 series side panels and hood to made up with the 82 series grill I have to go on it.  When done the idea is still to make it look as much like an 82 series tractor as I can.  Except the fenders will be fashioned after an IH tractor with the plan to hopefully put some round headlights in them with a flat top.  Certainly not a project that will be completed over night - but I'm using up parts from tractors I have in the shed - so I figure I'm saving there.  Certainly will be the Black Sheep of my Cub garage when completed.

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A few pictures of the slow process.  Garage being flooded for the past 2 weeks thanks to snow melt certainly didn't help!  Lots of delays.

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My thinking is you might want to not weld anything in the top portion of your frame because, as you go along, near the end you may want to add another stiffener to the inside or outside of your frame.

I do like your idea and that frame is really as you say, a lot better than the cadet.  

Is that Massey a product of Snapper?  

Also, A person could always move the seat back a little more to put more weight on the back.  

Another thing I like to to do is sometimes not finish welding until you get near the end to make sure everything works OK.  

Looking good!  

 

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it is my belief that the MF 1450 and others of that vintage were Snapper products. Snapper sold tractors at that time that were numbered the same with Snapper badging. Used to have a 1450, but don't remember if there were Snapper patent numbers associated with it. Thinking about DR.EVIL'S comment about stability, you could add duals and hang some extra weight on it. Dang, all of this has got me thinking about a project like this, but need to build a front blade for the 184 first. Have a blade and a lot of rec tubing, just a matter of design and getting it done.

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On 3/31/2022 at 7:53 PM, W30 Lee said:

it is my belief that the MF 1450 and others of that vintage were Snapper products. Snapper sold tractors at that time that were numbered the same with Snapper badging. Used to have a 1450, but don't remember if there were Snapper patent numbers associated with it. Thinking about DR.EVIL'S comment about stability, you could add duals and hang some extra weight on it. Dang, all of this has got me thinking about a project like this, but need to build a front blade for the 184 first. Have a blade and a lot of rec tubing, just a matter of design and getting it done.

Projects are fun, but you might look for an IH blade first.   They were a very common attachment and fit all the Lo-Boys, with many parts in common for the Farmall Cubs as well.  Should be easy to rustle up and likely same price or cheaper than adapting something else to fit it.  Just a thought.

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7 hours ago, Mr. Plow said:

Projects are fun, but you might look for an IH blade first.   They were a very common attachment and fit all the Lo-Boys, with many parts in common for the Farmall Cubs as well.  Should be easy to rustle up and likely same price or cheaper than adapting something else to fit it.  Just a thought.

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I've seen pictures of them or parts of them, and thought they looked like an after thought. If one shows up, it'll have to be close. I'm not traveling two states away for one. The pictures I've seen looked like they pushed from the front axle. Not too crazy about that, if that is correct.    LE

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On 3/31/2022 at 8:53 PM, W30 Lee said:

it is my belief that the MF 1450 and others of that vintage were Snapper products. Snapper sold tractors at that time that were numbered the same with Snapper badging. Used to have a 1450, but don't remember if there were Snapper patent numbers associated with it. Thinking about DR.EVIL'S comment about stability, you could add duals and hang some extra weight on it. Dang, all of this has got me thinking about a project like this, but need to build a front blade for the 184 first. Have a blade and a lot of rec tubing, just a matter of design and getting it done.

I may be wrong but I was told Massey sold their garden tractor line to Snapper.

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Doing a little searching, I find the 1450 thru 1855 of the late 1970s were built by Snapper as W30Lee said and by others after that.  But the MF name is licensed by Agco to Simplicity who has built them since the 1990s.  Interestingly, both Simplicity and Snapper are now owned by Briggs & Stratton so they are related.

 

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