dannyredfan Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I know the 15 used a different extension and filter. And the 656 used a double filter. But where can you find them ? I did a quick search and didn’t find any where to buy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I’ve been intrigued by this since hearing of the existence of such a thing on here. I just don’t see the need? That would imply that the tens of 1000’s of other 50ish year old tractors out there have somehow made it this long while starving for oil, or lack of filtration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Looks like Pilot Knob Restorations is gearing up to make the extensions for the big tractors again. Looks like you are supposed to call them to place an order for one if interested. http://www.pilotknobrestorations.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I thought all double filters were aftermarket? Thx-Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmi Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, SDman said: Looks like Pilot Knob Restorations is gearing up to make the extensions for the big tractors again. Looks like you are supposed to call them to place an order for one if interested. http://www.pilotknobrestorations.com thought they folded ..at least for a time have ordered there USA items the rest is std china anyone up for a test on the useless 2 side china cage nuts vs the same from mcmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt756 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 so what is this extension? it isnt the way the 66 series is where you just loosen the 2 wing nuts, have not heard of this before, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, pt756 said: so what is this extension? it isnt the way the 66 series is where you just loosen the 2 wing nuts, have not heard of this before, No, but you need the 66 series cover. You take that 2 nut cover off, and it stacks two filters end to end. Back when M&W finned aluminum oil pans were cool, the chrome filter extensions were popular too. Are they necessary, probably not, but given the chance, I'd install one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Farms Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedar farm Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 It was a factory kit for use when using the 17gpm pump. It used filter 388085R92 which was about double the thickness of the 388084r91 filter. Sold quite a few kits. It was in effect and aluminum spacer. So it was gasket-spacer -gasket -cover. Using the cover as a pattern I would think a machine shop could make one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Is the kit just the tube and two long bolts? I could make that! Thx-Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I wondered if it had a perforated sleeve or something that went inside the filters to help align them. (still interested, as I’ve never seen one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyredfan Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Also the 15s used a different one. It was shorter and used a different filter. That’s the one I would like to find my 15 has a lot of trash in the hyd. I have changed it and flushed it a few times. But it’s like a moss alge in it. I would like to have a bigger filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksfarmdude Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I have my doubts that would be helpful , the outside filter would see very little oil flow being that far out, the inside filter would still be doing most of the filtering I'd say it was just an add-on gimmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Didn’t somebody on here say they use to run a mix of diesel (or mostly diesel, for a short duration) when they encountered a contaminated rear end that needed flushing? Maybe with one of those algaecide tank cleansing products? Then flush that out with yellow bucket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy5488 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 danny red fan. that slimy stuff is hard to get rid of. had a customer bring in a 986 that the pinion brgs where out of. it had that nasty stuff clinging to the center and rear housing about a 1/4 inch thick above oil level. ended up removing center section and tearing down. then power washed both sections to get rid of that nasty stuff. needed all new brgs. in center section and rear housing. older guy that takes real good care of equip. and has always run hy tran. dont know what caused the slime but it is no fun to get rid of 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyredfan Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 This one came out of a barn yard. Set out side all the time. I put a bottle of bio kleen in it I have flushed with diesel also think I will just change filters, unless I have to tear down someday it sees very little use anymore. actually it didn't get used at all this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtBoyz07 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I have one of those here , I have always keep it just in case I might want to put it on something someday , kinda cool /odd and you guys know me , I like odd 😳😂😂 Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihrondiesel Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 They were available from Allied Precision for awhile, but I think they may be out of business now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 If it's like an algae in the oil I wonder if it's the same as diesel fuel gets ? If so it takes an algaecide to clear it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-C-IL Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 We had those extensions on the filters for the 1066 & 1486. They were just a sleeve with an o-ring around the outside end, and a step to fit over the oring on the housing. There was no inner sleeve or anything to align the filters, the tube was close enough they aligned fine. I disagree with the people that say they were a gimmick. Certainly not needed for everybody, but for a 1066 with a loader that got used daily in the middle of sub-zero winter temps feeding cows, there was a noticeable difference in performance on the loader when operating in the cold. W/o the extension, the pump would squeal and the loader raised like a turtle. With the extension, it moved much more normally - probably 2x as fast. (Usually did not have the tractor running long enough to really warm up the oil either. 15 minutes to move in a new round bale & done.) Sure, I know the bypass is supposed to open, but the 2x filters just seemed to work a lot better. What I want is an extension for my 666. I can tell the filter is restricting oil flow when cold. Steering is slow & jumpy, squeals, 3pt raises slow. Once it warms up, everything works better. That uses the 6 bolt "diamond" plate over the filter, I assume like the 460? I've seen on here that certain utility models used a deeper filter, with a "extended" plate, and that somebody once made a extension ring, but no longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Leaman Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 If you all are seriously interested in the ones for the big frame tractors let me know, I have 2 new allied kits here. They are NOT for sale but I will build some to match what they produced. PM me or e/mail so I do this correctly. Dont' want to be breaking rules here! As for the 656 style, we know what to do and are thinking of doing them, But I want some commitments so we can build for volume and lower prices. PM me about them. If anyone else has extensions of either style being built, be happy to buy from you, would like to hear a price. We have plenty to do and don't need any extra small projects right now. ed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksfarmdude Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeff-C-IL said: We had those extensions on the filters for the 1066 & 1486. They were just a sleeve with an o-ring around the outside end, and a step to fit over the oring on the housing. There was no inner sleeve or anything to align the filters, the tube was close enough they aligned fine. I disagree with the people that say they were a gimmick. Certainly not needed for everybody, but for a 1066 with a loader that got used daily in the middle of sub-zero winter temps feeding cows, there was a noticeable difference in performance on the loader when operating in the cold. W/o the extension, the pump would squeal and the loader raised like a turtle. With the extension, it moved much more normally - probably 2x as fast. (Usually did not have the tractor running long enough to really warm up the oil either. 15 minutes to move in a new round bale & done.) Sure, I know the bypass is supposed to open, but the 2x filters just seemed to work a lot better. What I want is an extension for my 666. I can tell the filter is restricting oil flow when cold. Steering is slow & jumpy, squeals, 3pt raises slow. Once it warms up, everything works better. That uses the 6 bolt "diamond" plate over the filter, I assume like the 460? I've seen on here that certain utility models used a deeper filter, with a "extended" plate, and that somebody once made a extension ring, but no longer. I disagree I used my 1086 spraying top dressing wheat when the temps were 10 degrees or lower and never had issues after 30 minutes of use That double filter set-up looks to jury rigged to me, Plus you'd have twice the filter cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyredfan Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Well pilotknob called me back today. Said they had both styles in stock so I ordered one of each. sorry Ed. I hadn’t seen. Your post or I would have checked with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZG6E Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, ksfarmdude said: I disagree I used my 1086 spraying top dressing wheat when the temps were 10 degrees or lower and never had issues after 30 minutes of use That double filter set-up looks to jury rigged to me, Plus you'd have twice the filter cost 10 degrees isn't cold.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksfarmdude Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, ZG6E said: 10 degrees isn't cold.... Or lower I said if you read it , Sometimes below zero when you get hydraulic oil down to that temp its a mute point cold is cold more filter area still won't do any good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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