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axial_al

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Let’s say you are towing two 350 bushel gravity box type trailers and one has tongue activated hydraulic brakes on its rear axle.  Is it safer to have the trailer with brakes in position A or position B?

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Are these wagons?  What is maximum speed?  I would say B also.  Assuming wagons, wagon B could fish tail against wagon A if A had the the brakes stopped easier then B.  Clear as mud, right? 🤔

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Brakes on the back. Use em like a johnny bar on a semi.

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They are surge brakes, so I would have the one with brakes behind the tow vehicle.   Reason is going down hill the rear wagon with no brakes pushes front wagon and applies brakes harder.    
if you have it in rear with brakes it will only try to hold itself and it’s load back.  

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8 hours ago, nate said:

They are surge brakes, so I would have the one with brakes behind the tow vehicle.   Reason is going down hill the rear wagon with no brakes pushes front wagon and applies brakes harder.    
if you have it in rear with brakes it will only try to hold itself and it’s load back.  

Thats how its done around here, if one of the set has brakes it goes in the front position for this reason. In most instances its also the larger of the 2 wagons that has brakes.

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5 hours ago, Craig61019 said:

What color are the wagons and what are they being pulled by😎

Ha.  Green Demco’s being towed by a MX 120.  The MX has pretty good brakes.  Thanks for the responses.  Have a safe harvest everyone!

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3 hours ago, axial_al said:

Ha.  Green Demco’s being towed by a MX 120.  The MX has pretty good brakes.  Thanks for the responses.  Have a safe harvest everyone!

Glad you have your sense of humor seems like a lot of people have lost theirs, be safe😎

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11 hours ago, 1480x3 said:

Thats how its done around here, if one of the set has brakes it goes in the front position for this reason. In most instances its also the larger of the 2 wagons that has brakes.

This what we used to do. Had Parker 4800 in front with brakes and a Parker 2600 without behind it. Worked fine for years.

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I understand the logic behind both ways of towing the wagons. The only problem I could see with having the brakes on the front wagon is if the train was in a position where it needed to stop quickly would the force of the combined wagons pushing on the surge brake be enough to lock up the braking tires making it skid. Then you would essentially have no brakes and the potential for a real bad day.

 

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Good point Mike, but the brakes don’t seem powerful enough to slide the tires of the loaded trailer.  They are strong enough however that it is hard to back the loaded trailer up an incline!

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On a loaded wagon, I doubt it would be possible to lock up the wheels with surge brakes or most any other type for that matter.  The brake shoes are just not large enough. I would agree with you guys who are saying front wagon, at least on our hills. If on the rear wagon and they actually slow the wagon it would apply less brake since it would tend to stretch out the tongue. On the front, both wagons will be pushing on the brakes as stated before giving you max brake effort. 

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