axial_al Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Let’s say you are towing two 350 bushel gravity box type trailers and one has tongue activated hydraulic brakes on its rear axle. Is it safer to have the trailer with brakes in position A or position B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrr4quality Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I would say B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomorejohndeere Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 what kinda brakes on the other trailer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axial_al Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, nomorejohndeere said: what kinda brakes on the other trailer? None Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbyfarm Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Are these wagons? What is maximum speed? I would say B also. Assuming wagons, wagon B could fish tail against wagon A if A had the the brakes stopped easier then B. Clear as mud, right? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
660 driver Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Brakes on the back. Use em like a johnny bar on a semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaredT Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Yep, I agree, it would be like trailer brakes on a semi. Let the back wagon stop the front one otherwise the back one could get squirrely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Who needs brakes??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 They are surge brakes, so I would have the one with brakes behind the tow vehicle. Reason is going down hill the rear wagon with no brakes pushes front wagon and applies brakes harder. if you have it in rear with brakes it will only try to hold itself and it’s load back. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1480x3 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 8 hours ago, nate said: They are surge brakes, so I would have the one with brakes behind the tow vehicle. Reason is going down hill the rear wagon with no brakes pushes front wagon and applies brakes harder. if you have it in rear with brakes it will only try to hold itself and it’s load back. Thats how its done around here, if one of the set has brakes it goes in the front position for this reason. In most instances its also the larger of the 2 wagons that has brakes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig61019 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 11 hours ago, acem said: Who needs brakes??? What color are the wagons and what are they being pulled by😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig61019 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 11 hours ago, acem said: Who needs brakes??? What color are the wagons and what are they being pulled by😎 seriously the wagon with brakes should be in the rear of the tandem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Six of one, half dozen of the other. Just try it and see what you like best or if it makes a difference at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12_Guy Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I really hope that you are not trying to tow two 350bu wagons with a pickup. At least not if you have any hills. If it’s flat ground and you don’t get above 20-25 mph, you really don’t need brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axial_al Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Craig61019 said: What color are the wagons and what are they being pulled by😎 Ha. Green Demco’s being towed by a MX 120. The MX has pretty good brakes. Thanks for the responses. Have a safe harvest everyone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig61019 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, axial_al said: Ha. Green Demco’s being towed by a MX 120. The MX has pretty good brakes. Thanks for the responses. Have a safe harvest everyone! Glad you have your sense of humor seems like a lot of people have lost theirs, be safe😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH Forever Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 11 hours ago, 1480x3 said: Thats how its done around here, if one of the set has brakes it goes in the front position for this reason. In most instances its also the larger of the 2 wagons that has brakes. This what we used to do. Had Parker 4800 in front with brakes and a Parker 2600 without behind it. Worked fine for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TractormanMike.mb Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I understand the logic behind both ways of towing the wagons. The only problem I could see with having the brakes on the front wagon is if the train was in a position where it needed to stop quickly would the force of the combined wagons pushing on the surge brake be enough to lock up the braking tires making it skid. Then you would essentially have no brakes and the potential for a real bad day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axial_al Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 Good point Mike, but the brakes don’t seem powerful enough to slide the tires of the loaded trailer. They are strong enough however that it is hard to back the loaded trailer up an incline! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12_Guy Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 On a loaded wagon, I doubt it would be possible to lock up the wheels with surge brakes or most any other type for that matter. The brake shoes are just not large enough. I would agree with you guys who are saying front wagon, at least on our hills. If on the rear wagon and they actually slow the wagon it would apply less brake since it would tend to stretch out the tongue. On the front, both wagons will be pushing on the brakes as stated before giving you max brake effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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