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18 minutes ago, sandhiller said:

Can't imagine anything romantic about it, damn hard work for little pay.

Tough men that helped settle this country.

We owe em a debt.

Can you imagine 20 year olds nowadays getting into a life like your life now let alone then.

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18 minutes ago, Dasnake said:

Can you imagine 20 year olds nowadays getting into a life like your life now let alone then.

It ain't the twenty, it's how they were spent.

How and where they were raised.

But I agree, most wouldn't make it through the first day.

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4 hours ago, Dasnake said:

With the happenings you guys are talking these days with all the modern amenities, I'm left to wonder what the old cattle drives 150 years ago were like? What did they travel a 1000 miles? Heat, storms, floods, injuns, 20 or 30 miles a day? Real life sure is different from movie cattle driving.

More like 5 to 10 miles a day. I have driven a number of different trails that were used, and I can’t imagine trailing cattle like that. I HATE trailing cattle to start with, but 100 days plus? That’s why they used so many young kids. The older guys would help get them somewhat trail broke, then the kids would take over. 
Not for me!!

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4 hours ago, MBrown said:

Sandhiller . Just curious how many cattle you running ?

MBrown  Just curious what is your annual salary and benefits?

Sorry.    Some of us cattle guys don't really care for a question like that. 

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11 minutes ago, Timothy56 said:

MBrown  Just curious what is your annual salary and benefits?

Sorry.    Some of us cattle guys don't really care for a question like that. 

Wasn't meant as disrespect.  Just curious from previous pictures he has posted . And if you really wanna know I pull in around 100k and my wife provides insurance 

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It not just farming, it's animals in general. I had a folder on LUCY a free little dog we had for 13 years, she died in 2018. The vet bills over her lifetime were almost $2,000. My new standard, God is the Vet for all free animals.

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8 hours ago, Lazy WP said:

More like 5 to 10 miles a day. I have driven a number of different trails that were used, and I can’t imagine trailing cattle like that. I HATE trailing cattle to start with, but 100 days plus? That’s why they used so many young kids. The older guys would help get them somewhat trail broke, then the kids would take over. 
Not for me!!

Whatever I’ve read it was young men for drovers, it was young men for pony express, it was youngish men as regulators, billy and his cohorts come to mind 18, 19, 20 years old and serious gun hands, ( I’m not going hooeyweird gunnies because I don’t think billy really met Dracula) but especially when everything started to open up after the civil war that it became a young mans world to start building on.

jeff sorry I’m wandering a post again, I’m going to the corner right now.

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   the high's   and low's   of being a male sire........

....had to shoot one here,t'other day.....He had gone down,  arse  over kite , off a bank, into stones and into a mess of "barbary " trees, cut down to about a foot above ground level,  and into a mess of 3to 4 inch dia trunks off this another English , totally useless weedy type of multi leader prickly tree ....

..hence a broken   hip... hence   the bullet.....hence the extraction, and subsequent  burial detail......hence another  couple of K   fiscal loss.....

Mike

 

 

 

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From 67 to 75 my dad moved a 100 cows 15 to 18 mile to barley stubble that was about as far you could get them in one day.  He bought 20 foot OK built goose neck in Oct of 75, hauled them after that.

 

He always told me if you cannot afford to have one die, you better sell them all.

Ran yearling heifers on brush patch 20 head for 9 months on 600 acres. Wild and wooly country. Wet spring did not get in to see all of them for a month, one has a hind leg swing. Broke high up the leg. By condition had been this way a week or more. She was up and moving. She made it to even have a calf. Leg was as crocked as all get out, but she made a living. I believe we put her on grain when the calf was weaned and we ate her. 

 

One rented pasture came with a 300 gal butane tank as a water trough. Top had 18 or 20 inches had been cut out.  It sat against a bank about 8 foot high, on a dozer cut jeep trail. The cattle and deer had a trail coming off the bank. Another yearling, she got push o feel. Was upside down in the trough. The odds of her falling in and landing like that are not good but did not help her.

 

A neighbor that was to old to tend his cows and had a city friend take them a bale or 2 of hay "when he got around to it" had a calf dead and upside down in one of the V style hay feeders mangers. So as Jake put I try not to even think I have seen it all anymore.

 

My eldest's sons FIL was a high school English teacher his whole life in southern California. Now retired up here in central Cal in a beach town. But a lot of old timers with 50 to 200 cows all up and down the coast line. He is always asks lots of questions. Has asked me the how many, I have over looked his lux pas and give a round number. He got in a conversation with a women and asked................she was not happy. She gave him both barrels I guess. So the next time he saw me he asked what he had done wrong. So many variables with crop farming asking how many acres does not bring up the same feeling, at least with me. 

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On 7/10/2021 at 12:41 PM, MBrown said:

Sandhiller.  I want to formally apologize.  I really meant no disrespect 

No apology is necessary sir, all is good. 

I am sure you didn't know that out here it is considered bad manners to ask a man how big his outfit is or how many cows he runs. 

More than likely he will tell you in a casual conversation, it just isn't considerate to ask. 

I have probably even mentioned a number in a past thread or two. 

I was not trying to be rude by not answering. 

It is one of the "codes of the west" that came from an era of what I feel to be better times in this country. 

Anyway, you'll never know if you don't ask, right??

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3 minutes ago, sandhiller said:

No apology is necessary sir, all is good. 

I am sure you didn't know that out here it is considered bad manners to ask a man how big his outfit is or how many cows he runs. 

More than likely he will tell you in a casual conversation, it just isn't considerate to ask. 

I have probably even mentioned a number in a past thread or two. 

I was not trying to be rude by not answering. 

It is one of the "codes of the west" that came from an era of what I feel to be better times in this country. 

Anyway, you'll never know if you don't ask, right??

Different ways for different areas. I'll admit I didn't know that rule.

Heck in my area I've been asked countless times how many acres we're farming and how many cows and cattle on feed we have. Never had a problem answering.

That's a good thing to know for future reference. 

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On 7/10/2021 at 5:56 PM, Ian Beale said:

A question - that looks like what we know as a "cocky gate" in the third photo?

One of the hazards of "Yak-type bulls" is a "belled dick"

Ok Ian, here is the third photo

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You are going to have to treat me as slow witted and explain a few terms to me. 

cocky gate

yak type bulls

belled dick

You are worse than talking to Mike???

Sorry MIke, love your language, very colorful and creative, just needs some 'splainin' to me?

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12 minutes ago, Reichow7120 said:

Different ways for different areas. I'll admit I didn't know that rule.

Heck in my area I've been asked countless times how many acres we're farming and how many cows and cattle on feed we have. Never had a problem answering.

That's a good thing to know for future reference. 

One of the really great things about this forum is learning how diverse this country is. 

All great, well meaning people with different ways of doing things.

None right or wrong, just different.

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Just now, sandhiller said:

One of the really great things about this forum is learning how diverse this country is. 

All great, well meaning people with different ways of doing things.

None right or wrong, just different.

That's the truth . I guess you learn something new every day. I do enjoy the pictures and views of your side of the country 

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Well   Jeff,  we have just loaded    six  (6!!!)   beautifull calves for two different  life style blocks.....calves are almost R1   status...big and totally quiet.....This leaves us with nine  calves    , two old girls that evaded   capture from our now, lost, lease block, one    "freezer " animal and a house cow.....

...however, now the beef price has ramped right up, and several  cockie's around the district have seen the old Cook's   calves...how well they are treated  etc..how quiet  they are....thus she has orders for 50 odd   allready ,for next year.....That has perked her up !!!

Our fearless Leader , whose qualifications to lead this country, include working at a 'fish and chip'  shop and then doing a Left Wing apprentice ship under  a recent British Socialist Prime Minister, Tony Blair......has decreed that "cow"   numbers havve to be reduced by    15%...this will save the planet.......:mellow:

Now you might think that is just left wing  garbage.....as I did.....BUT...since we have got rid  of 90% of our cattle.....the temperatures have cooled considerably...We are having severe frosts, for our area...frozen water pipes.....   886   on feedout duty , most reluctant to fire up in the mornings, with below 8 degree temps.....and so on....

The possibility of this situation could be put down to our coldest month..July....I guess......but   who knows......:rolleyes:    

Mike 

(we need an emogi    thingy for heavy sarcasm....)

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8 minutes ago, sandhiller said:

Ok Ian, here is the third photo

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You are worse than talking to Mike??

 

...Hey....hang on a minute , Mate.....what are trying to tell me ????....I come from New Zealand....not Tennessee....:D

...their   lingo sounds like fluent   Swahili......or worse...but funny:rolleyes:

Mike

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2 minutes ago, mike newman said:

Well   Jeff,  we have just loaded    six  (6!!!)   beautifull calves for two different  life style blocks.....calves are almost R1   status...big and totally quiet.....This leaves us with nine  calves    , two old girls that evaded   capture from our now, lost, lease block, one    "freezer " animal and a house cow.....

...however, now the beef price has ramped right up, and several  cockie's around the district have seen the old Cook's   calves...how well they are treated  etc..how quiet  they are....thus she has orders for 50 odd   allready ,for next year.....That has perked her up !!!

Our fearless Leader , whose qualifications to lead this country, include working at a 'fish and chip'  shop and then doing a Left Wing apprentice ship under  a recent British Socialist Prime Minister, Tony Blair......has decreed that "cow"   numbers havve to be reduced by    15%...this will save the planet.......:mellow:

Now you might think that is just left wing  garbage.....as I did.....BUT...since we have got rid  of 90% of our cattle.....the temperatures have cooled considerably...We are having severe frosts, for our area...frozen water pipes.....   886   on feedout duty , most reluctant to fire up in the mornings, with below 8 degree temps.....and so on....

The possibility of this situation could be put down to our coldest month..July....I guess......but   who knows......:rolleyes:    

Mike 

(we need an emogi    thingy for heavy sarcasm....)

 

The bovine caused globull warming is so much BS I don't even know how to answer any more.

Sorry so many of your cows had to leave.

A great part of your beautiful country look ideal for beef production. 

I am glad to hear your prices have recovered some. 

To work hard all year to produce high quality beef only to have someone tell you what they think it is worth??? I must reallly be slow witted. 

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1 hour ago, sandhiller said:

You are going to have to treat me as slow witted and explain a few terms to me. 

cocky gate.  Two uprights with wire in between and probably a dropper in the middle.  A sort of cheap "temporary" gate that may last a couple of generations - with various fixes and rebuilds.  Causes all sorts of patent fastenings too but been known to open itself just when needed closed.  Caused me to write a spreadsheet that calculates the dimensions for DIY pipe gates, tells you where to cut and bend even to the angle of the bends for the "N-stay" if used.  Almost no scrap pipe left around here and the last cocky gate has gone.

yak type bulls  With Bos indicus blood - IIRC you have a term about "ear"?  Usually with at least somewhat pendulous penises which can get damaged on the ends, , swell and not retract which leads to further damage - so "belled dick" .  No good for breeding either

belled dick  

You are worse than talking to Mike???

Sorry MIke, love your language, very colorful and creative, just needs some 'splainin' to me?

Sandhiller - the only silly questions are the ones not asked.  Answers above so expand that to read

Ask Mike to say "six" for you and don't let him get away with "half a dozen"

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