FFA 660 gas restoration

[EHauck 122]

So far this project is about a year in. This is our progress as of now

[DT Fan]

That is respectable progress! Not the easiest restoration ever undertaken.

[rustred]

your hard at it. i was just wondering if you drained the trans, and diff oil. , as it might have a lot of water. plus the shifting rails could be rusted up. i imagine it will get rubber tires now.

[EHauck 122]

5 hours ago, rustred said:

your hard at it. i was just wondering if you drained the trans, and diff oil. , as it might have a lot of water. plus the shifting rails could be rusted up. i imagine it will get rubber tires now.

Yes I did. About 50% water ?

[nepoweshiekfarmalls]

Wow!  A neat project.  Looks cool on steel wheels. Not as many gas 660 around.  Congratulations. 

[rustred]

23 hours ago, EHauck 122 said:

Yes I did. About 50% water ?

did you have a look in there? can you shift the gears? 

[EHauck 122]

2 hours ago, rustred said:

did you have a look in there? can you shift the gears? 

Yes I did. Everything seemed fine I had the transmission cover off and I had the PTO out shifting seems pretty nice but I did find these in the rear end from the differential. 

[lorenzo]

Lots of pictures along the way please .

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Great project, I’m sure it’s going to be neat when finished. 

[rustred]

On 4/18/2021 at 4:32 PM, EHauck 122 said:

Yes I did. Everything seemed fine I had the transmission cover off and I had the PTO out shifting seems pretty nice but I did find these in the rear end from the differential. 

well i hope all the bolts are in the diff now. dont know why someone would leave those bolts in there. what year is that unit? what all have you done to the engine. 660 gas not common.

[nomorejohndeere]

I wish they had that opportunity where I went to school

[EHauck 122]

23 hours ago, rustred said:

well i hope all the bolts are in the diff now. dont know why someone would leave those bolts in there. what year is that unit? what all have you done to the engine. 660 gas not common.

It’s a 59 serial #3066 I got the head completely gone over but the bottom end was in good shape so I didn’t do anything to it. I replaced both of the bolts, they weren’t left there, those crazy mennonites were so rough on it that somehow they snapped. They hold the differential case together

[EHauck 122]

Put some primer on today. 

[rustred]

you forgot to slide the front axles in before painting.  belongs in the outside hole.

[EHauck 122]

On 4/24/2021 at 10:07 PM, rustred said:

you forgot to slide the front axles in before painting.  belongs in the outside hole.

Are you sure? Ive seen other 660s with 23.1-26 tires that had the axles adjusted there.

[rustred]

that front axle threw me off as i have never saw one like that on an international tractor. has to be off some farmall model. unless its a rare deal?? i have 5 660's here and seen other ones with the big rubber and never saw an adjustable front axle on them. 

[EHauck 122]

41 minutes ago, rustred said:

that front axle threw me off as i have never saw one like that on an international tractor. has to be off some farmall model. unless its a rare deal?? i have 5 660's here and seen other ones with the big rubber and never saw an adjustable front axle on them. 

From what I’ve found it was an option. I don’t know if it is rare but I have seen two others. The outside adjustable pieces are SOLID steel. 

[rustred]

solid steel, boy that be pretty heavy. u sure its not just in insert where the bolt holes are. well curiosity got me had to look in my parts book.  it looks like they are just pipes though, not solid steel. i have never saw an adjustable on any 660. 

[dale560]

5 hours ago, rustred said:

solid steel, boy that be pretty heavy. u sure its not just in insert where the bolt holes are. well curiosity got me had to look in my parts book.  it looks like they are just pipes though, not solid steel. i have never saw an adjustable on any 660. 

Haven’t seen a 660, but a few early standard 806s with that same axle , with horizontal pins, all others are vertical but a 1456 is at a angle between the two. I think the standard adj front end uses a bigger pivot pin.

[Fred B]

while you have it apart, can you inspect it to see if it can have 560 farmall parts swapped in to in affect make it a 80 hp farmall row crop. I'm thinking the only difference is the cast iron 3" ? filler at the bottom of the grill. The radiator appears to be 3" taller, there is a spacer under the fuel tank., may have to put spacers under the hydraulic valve assembly, I'm thinking all other parts are bolt on. Book says frame rails are same. could even put fast hitch.  I'm thinking just pull a 560  Farmall "row crop" upside of the 660 and start swapping parts starting with transmission differential cover and all steering parts should swap.  In fact, I believe you could then take all the 660 parts and put them on the 560 Farmall and turn it into a 560 International.  

Good luck with your project.  It's alright with me if you find a 560 Farmall and make a one only in the world 660 Farmall.  ?

[EHauck 122]

12 hours ago, Fred B said:

while you have it apart, can you inspect it to see if it can have 560 farmall parts swapped in to in affect make it a 80 hp farmall row crop. I'm thinking the only difference is the cast iron 3" ? filler at the bottom of the grill. The radiator appears to be 3" taller, there is a spacer under the fuel tank., may have to put spacers under the hydraulic valve assembly, I'm thinking all other parts are bolt on. Book says frame rails are same. could even put fast hitch.  I'm thinking just pull a 560 upside of the 660 and start swapping parts starting with transmission differential cover and all steering parts should swap.  In fact, I believe you could then take all the 660 parts and put them on the 560 Farmall and turn it into a 560 International.  

Good luck with your project.  It's alright with me if you find a 560 and make a one only in the world 660 Farmall.  ?

I'll try to list the major things that are different than a 560. Obviously the axle housing and the planetaries. The standard front axle. It has a completely different steering rack. there Is a bigger radiator and a spacer under the tank. But the frame and rear end should be the exact smae if not very close. 

[lorenzo]

There’s a lot of differences, 

These side panels are taller as well as the air cleaner ,   I have been looking for an air cleaner for 7 years now . 

An old timer told me those were the ideal set up after installing an M&W turbo on a 560 Since they are taller and less likely to suck the oil out of the bath.
The whole dash and steering assembly is completely different. 

[rustred]

LORENZO, i have the air cleaner if you wanted.  yes its about 3" taller.  really dont know of any differences in the steering or dashes. same steering box same drag link same dash. only difference is in the steering wheels, 560 has 18" while 660 has 20 ". they both even use the same grill. just those side panels are teller by about 3". taller rad larger fan and fan pulley also. but ya its a taller tractor with 34" rubber vs 30" on the 560.

[Fred B]

I'm thinking the 660 and 560 International have the same parts book.  To start with, switch out trans-diff cover w/seat, lever for PTO and TA, clutch and brake pedals, hyd valves.  May have to put spacer under or switch out supports on hyd valves?  Switch out complete steering system including front axle bolster.  May have to add on to length of one of the steering shafts, to compensate for slightly higher steering wheel.  Will also need to use fast hitch for a draw bar.  660 should have 18x34 back tires, tread width is 60" but have provision for different tread width by reversing wheel centers???  I have a 560 Farmall but not a 660.  I believe most of this can be done with very little switching out main parts except for diff cover.  Must leave off fenders.  I am thinking of converting 660 international, to 660 farmall 80hp row crop.

[rustred]

1 hour ago, Fred B said:

I'm thinking the 660 and 560 International have the same parts book.  To start with, switch out trans-diff cover w/seat, lever for PTO and TA, clutch and brake pedals, hyd valves.  May have to put spacer under or switch out supports on hyd valves?  Switch out complete steering system including front axle bolster.  May have to add on to length of one of the steering shafts, to compensate for slightly higher steering wheel.  Will also need to use fast hitch for a draw bar.  660 should have 18x34 R tires, tread width is 60" but have provision for different tread width by reversing wheel centers???  I have a 560 but not a 660.  I believe most of this can be done with very little switching out main parts except for diff cover.  Must leave off fenders.  I am thinking of converting 660 international, to 560 farmall row crop.

i am lost as to why you are doing this? converting ih 660 to a farmall 560 . if you want a 560 ih just buy one. i have all these models.

[rustred]

my 560 , original condition. head has not been off.