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1 hour ago, New Englander said:

For the record: Do you believe Bill Gates is slipping us chips in the covid vaccine?

For the record is the technology available to easily and inexpensively do it in some form? We do it to pets already. 

    Do I believe it is being done now? I would have no idea and not go out on a limb to say so. Do I think some would like to do it for reasons either good or bad? Yes.

  With all due respect @New Englander your just as guilty of beating the pro vac drum as some of us are against. This was by your estimation a thread to compare reactions to it and nothing else right? 

 Again I'm fine with anyone's decision to get it. Just don't force it on those who have their own reasons not to. 

Everyone please have a good Easter weekend.

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I guess that I will be the odd guy here. I am 75 years old and do not scare as quick as most of the responders on this site. I am not going to let myself be frightened out of my wits because this corr

It's hard for me to fathom being so afraid of getting a sickness that has such a high survival rate that I need a shot that was whipped up basically overnight.  99%+ survival rate and I need to get a

im with 74a-472 not getting it.... all of the sheep  that run out and get the jab should really think it thru , what kind of side affects will they have in 1 / 3 / 5 years down the road , an all for a

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3 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

For the record is the technology available to easily and inexpensively do it in some form? We do it to pets already. 

    Do I believe it is being done now? I would have no idea and not go out on a limb to say so. Do I think some would like to do it for reasons either good or bad? Yes.

  With all due respect @New Englander your just as guilty of beating the pro vac drum as some of us are against. This was by your estimation a thread to compare reactions to it and nothing else right? 

 Again I'm fine with anyone's decision to get it. Just don't force it on those who have their own reasons not to. 

Everyone please have a good Easter weekend.

For the record I'm pro vaccine, true! For the record I've never advocated any forced vaccination. For the record what I HAVE pushed against has been conspiracy theories used to support those who don't get the vaccine. While I believe that a high vaccination rate is the way out of this mess, a view supported by responsible and qualified organizations such as the Mayo or Johns Hopkins, I don't support mandatory shots, rather, I should hope that people will look to such organizations, who have no discernible reason to lie to us, for reasoned advice and not rely on "I heard" or "I read on Facebook" for their decisions. 

As for the technology to chip pets, well, yes, using a 12ga needle one can inject a chip under the skin but the withdrawal of the vaccine from a vial with a fresh 25 every time is just too much of a stretch.

Did you notice all the new tap and pays at shoulder height?😁

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Hmm!!! ill pass. the local news is now saying its only good for 3 -6 months. I dont think they know. dr doom cant keep out of the media and hes been only half right at best. i see states that have loosen up the mask restriction and dont see where the mask are doing anything. i went to get my hair cut and the young lady said her boy friend had the bug she still slept in the same bed and never got it. i go out to eat in NY i have to were a mask but then i  sit down i can take it off .  what a joke. Yes we have a bug, we are adults act like it. if you feel your at risk stay home , and if you go out and you feel you need a mask wear one . dont shut down every thing. some people will get sick , i just dont trust the media !!!!!!

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1 hour ago, New Englander said:

Did you notice all the new tap and pays at shoulder height?😁

There we go NE that’s some funny sh!t

One thing that my father mentioned that I hadn’t considered if this is anointed by God they will never get ahead of it

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5 minutes ago, Dell said:

the local news is now saying its only good for 3 -6 months. I dont think they know.

Remove the word 'local', put 'sarcasm' marks around the word 'news', and your statement WILL be 100 percent accurate.

" I don't think they know", BUT speculation and FABRICATION negates the 'need' to 'know'.

But, who are we to question what our 'betters' in the MEDIA, who are, by virtue of their bottom of the barrel 'education', EXPERTS ON EVERYTHING".

As far as 'Dr. FRAUDCI', well, the name says it all.

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On the plus side the flu is about gone now. 

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41 minutes ago, 1466fan said:

On the plus side the flu is about gone now. 

Yes, Here in Washington State no one has died from flu this past season. Is it a miracle from God or a good cooking of the  books. 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-state-sees-zero-flu-deaths-so-far-this-season

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59 minutes ago, 806 man said:

Yes, Here in Washington State no one has died from flu this past season. Is it a miracle from God or a good cooking of the  books. 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-state-sees-zero-flu-deaths-so-far-this-season

You could say cooking the books or simply read the article you quoted. The school closings, although we hate them, are of interest. My wife works in the school system and typically see flu spreading like wildfire in a class of snotty kids who usually don't get flu shots and of course bring it home for the rest of the family to enjoy:

"This year really has been a historic low for influenza," University of Washington Medicine infectious disease specialist Dr. Nandita Mani told the news station. "My biggest takeaway from all this is that many of the interventions we're doing right now — masks, social distancing, staying home when you're sick — those are really effective at preventing the spread of infections."

Across the country, flu cases and related deaths are at historic lows. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in a report issued earlier this month said that the U.S. has seen just one pediatric flu death this season. Overall, there have been some 1,499 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza this year, per estimates from the CDC, which also shows that flu-related hospitalizations are significantly lower this season compared to seasons past. 

Experts who previously spoke to Fox News on the country’s lower than usual flu activity this year said that preventative measures to protect against COVID-19 — such as wearing masks, social distancing, frequent handwashing, and avoiding indoor crowds — have likely played a role in keeping the flu at bay.

School closures also likely played a role, as early research suggests kids transmit the influenza virus better than they do COVID-19, Dr. Abisola Olulade, a family medicine physician in California, said at the time. 

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14 minutes ago, New Englander said:

You could say cooking the books or simply read the article you quoted. The school closings, although we hate them, are of interest. My wife works in the school system and typically see flu spreading like wildfire in a class of snotty kids who usually don't get flu shots and of course bring it home for the rest of the family to enjoy:

"This year really has been a historic low for influenza," University of Washington Medicine infectious disease specialist Dr. Nandita Mani told the news station. "My biggest takeaway from all this is that many of the interventions we're doing right now — masks, social distancing, staying home when you're sick — those are really effective at preventing the spread of infections."

Across the country, flu cases and related deaths are at historic lows. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in a report issued earlier this month said that the U.S. has seen just one pediatric flu death this season. Overall, there have been some 1,499 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza this year, per estimates from the CDC, which also shows that flu-related hospitalizations are significantly lower this season compared to seasons past. 

Experts who previously spoke to Fox News on the country’s lower than usual flu activity this year said that preventative measures to protect against COVID-19 — such as wearing masks, social distancing, frequent handwashing, and avoiding indoor crowds — have likely played a role in keeping the flu at bay.

School closures also likely played a role, as early research suggests kids transmit the influenza virus better than they do COVID-19, Dr. Abisola Olulade, a family medicine physician in California, said at the time. 

Add condoms to the list and AIDS would also be kept at bay!

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8 hours ago, New Englander said:

You could say cooking the books or simply read the article you quoted. The school closings, although we hate them, are of interest. My wife works in the school system and typically see flu spreading like wildfire in a class of snotty kids who usually don't get flu shots and of course bring it home for the rest of the family to enjoy:

Covid is the new cure for the flu virus.🥺 I think the low numbers has to do with $$$. By writing covid on the death cert. pays more then writing flu. Always has always will.

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11 hours ago, Dell said:

Hmm!!! ill pass. the local news is now saying its only good for 3 -6 months. 

my family that is in the medical field was told this by the vaccine companies before they ever received their first doses last fall before thanksgiving - they were told it has a halflife of appx 90 days after that is starts dropping exponentially in coverage/prevention 

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5 hours ago, 806 man said:

Covid is the new cure for the flu virus.🥺 I think the low numbers has to do with $$$. By writing covid on the death cert. pays more then writing flu. Always has always will.

BIL mom passed away 2 months ago, had heart problems much of her life. Tested twice a day for covid in the hospital always negative. BIL gets a call this week from funeral home says he can be reimbursed up to $9000 for funeral expenses because covid is on the death certificate. My wife is in home health care and knows of at least 3 patients with similar stories from last year. Do I believe covid is real? Yes. Do I believe the numbers? No. My oldest will turn 16 in November, is there any way I'll have him vaccinated, he!! No. Maybe in 5-10 years after we know of any side effects. I think what Fauci [ I have another name for him I won't print] has done to the country is criminal. He's a medical doctor shouldn't he look at the whole picture and see how the fear and shut downs have effected people psychologically and financially. We adopted a little boy from Korea whose 12 now and he asked us for some counseling several months ago but says he's okay now since our school has gone back to 4 days a week. This country is going to pay for the last year for a long time. 

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Hauled alot of people with covid, some died, some didn't. Got the shot because my grandparents wanted it and as a responder I has access early on. I wanted to be the lab rat for my grandparents sake. And I'm sorta neutral either way on the shot... made little difference if I got it or not. 

 

Anyway I have had it for quite some time, nbd.  Good luck with the conversation 

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Pfizer's ongoing research/phase 3 trials has established the vaccine is effective for at least 6 months. The passage of time making that result possible, so the reports on social media stating it's only effective for 3 months are untrue. The initial assessment was, in fact, at least 3 months as that was the extent of the phase 3 trial at the time of the release.

Pfizer will now apply for full approval as the phase 3 ongoing, which will run for at least 2 years, probably more, provides the additional data.

Pfizer has also established their vaccine is fully effective against the South African variety.

Also, from another non-Pfizer source, it's expected to give longer lasting results but only time will tell. Antibodies after infection do have a half-life around 73 days that doesn't mean that effective immunity doesn't still exist as the body remembers how to quickly manufacture more. While i could find research on antibody half-life after infection I could not find reliable source material for such information on vaccine generated antibodies only that the vaccine generated more of an antibody production than mild infection and more still after second shot and suggestions that infection + vaccine may generate even more.

Booster shots: Looking through my own records I saw that I received a polio booster some 40 years after the last childhood Sabin sugar drink (had both Salk and Sabin). Polio boosters are not normally given in the US as it's wiped out here, so I guess I was traveling to some S-hole country where it was still common. I've also had multiple shots with the same name that I need to look up. Probably because their efficacy was only a couple of years. Some shots on my records say lifetime.

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MORE people MUST follow his lead!  (And I would assume, from his accent, that he may well have had first hand experience with the 'state security service' in some former Warsaw Pact nation):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/get-nazis-calgary-pastor-shouts-police-interrupting-church-service-holy-week-video/

And THIS IS also ongoing right here in the 'good old USS of A'

 

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42 minutes ago, New Englander said:

Pfizer's ongoing research/phase 3 trials has established the vaccine is effective for at least 6 months. The passage of time making that result possible, so the reports on social media stating it's only effective for 3 months are untrue. The initial assessment was, in fact, at least 3 months as that was the extent of the phase 3 trial at the time of the release.

Pfizer will now apply for full approval as the phase 3 ongoing, which will run for at least 2 years, probably more, provides the additional data.

Pfizer has also established their vaccine is fully effective against the South African variety.

Also, from another non-Pfizer source, it's expected to give longer lasting results but only time will tell. Antibodies after infection do have a half-life around 73 days that doesn't mean that effective immunity doesn't still exist as the body remembers how to quickly manufacture more. While i could find research on antibody half-life after infection I could not find reliable source material for such information on vaccine generated antibodies only that the vaccine generated more of an antibody production than mild infection and more still after second shot and suggestions that infection + vaccine may generate even more.

Booster shots: Looking through my own records I saw that I received a polio booster some 40 years after the last childhood Sabin sugar drink (had both Salk and Sabin). Polio boosters are not normally given in the US as it's wiped out here, so I guess I was traveling to some S-hole country where it was still common. I've also had multiple shots with the same name that I need to look up. Probably because their efficacy was only a couple of years. Some shots on my records say lifetime.

I only want one shoot to stay in compliance  

I don't trust the RNA tech yet 

 I thank you for being a guinea pig 

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43 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

I thank you for being a guinea pig 

My pleasure!

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56 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

I only want one shoot to stay in compliance  

I don't trust the RNA tech yet 

 I thank you for being a guinea pig 

Ultimately though while using two different methods to achieve it the same results are achieved.  To create their vaccine, the Johnson & Johnson team took a harmless adenovirus – the viral vector – and replaced a small piece of its genetic instructions with coronavirus genes for the spike protein. Yep, they used coronavirus DNA to do it. Using altered DNA is scary to some but I guess using a virus to transmit the instructions to make the spike protein is more comforting than using RNA to accomplish the same thing with no DNA from the corona virus. J&J has made other vaccines with a similar method.

One and done with just a regular refrigerator to hold it is a major advantage in some areas. The WSJ reports that homeless advocate groups are greatly in favor of the J&J as the homeless population has a severe covid problem but it very difficult to get them a second shot since they're a rather mobile group.

 

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3 hours ago, Art From Coleman said:

MORE people MUST follow his lead!  (And I would assume, from his accent, that he may well have had first hand experience with the 'state security service' in some former Warsaw Pact nation):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/get-nazis-calgary-pastor-shouts-police-interrupting-church-service-holy-week-video/

And THIS IS also ongoing right here in the 'good old USS of A'

 

I wish more people like him had the guts to stand up their rights.

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1 hour ago, New Englander said:

One and done with just a regular refrigerator to hold it is a major advantage in some areas.

This will be the only way in the 3rd world they are not structured good enough to manage a two shoot method 

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3 hours ago, Art From Coleman said:

MORE people MUST follow his lead!  (And I would assume, from his accent, that he may well have had first hand experience with the 'state security service' in some former Warsaw Pact nation):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/get-nazis-calgary-pastor-shouts-police-interrupting-church-service-holy-week-video/

And THIS IS also ongoing right here in the 'good old USS of A'

 

I couldn't understand what the cops wanted as there's no context or understandable audio but they shouldn't have entered a church in that manner for sure. Sure got the guy upset though.

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5 hours ago, New Englander said:

there's no context or understandable audio

There IS certainly enough "understandable audio" to tell us that the pastor made his point clear, and as far as the 'context' about what led up to the church invasion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGJwTMQbt2U&ab_channel=LackLuster

It seems that the Canadian po-po has the SAME contempt for their Charter's guarantee of Freedom of Religion, as do OUR own badge wearing tyrants here in the United States have for OUR Constitutional RIGHTS.

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On 4/3/2021 at 10:47 AM, New Englander said:

For the record I'm pro vaccine, true! For the record I've never advocated any forced vaccination. For the record what I HAVE pushed against has been conspiracy theories used to support those who don't get the vaccine. While I believe that a high vaccination rate is the way out of this mess, a view supported by responsible and qualified organizations such as the Mayo or Johns Hopkins, I don't support mandatory shots, rather, I should hope that people will look to such organizations, who have no discernible reason to lie to us, for reasoned advice and not rely on "I heard" or "I read on Facebook" for their decisions. 

As for the technology to chip pets, well, yes, using a 12ga needle one can inject a chip under the skin but the withdrawal of the vaccine from a vial with a fresh 25 every time is just too much of a stretch.

Did you notice all the new tap and pays at shoulder height?😁

My larger point was you also may have hijacked finneys topic and taken it a direction he didn't intend nor want.  🤷‍♂️

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