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13 minutes ago, drglinski said:

A great source for reading this is your library.  If not city, then county, or local university.  If they don't have the book they can quite possibly inter-library loan it to you.  I've gone that route and it's an interesting (and sad) read. 

Yes.  My library had to get it from another library also.  

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23 hours ago, nepoweshiekfarmalls said:

I have been looking for a copy to purchase, but the only one I can find on the internet has a price tag of $250! ?

It was said that Jimmy Carter stopped a huge sale of IH construction machinery to some Europe/ Communist country ? project.  That may have been the last straw.  That would have been the beginning of Dresser. Somebody here will know about this.

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On 1/31/2021 at 9:20 PM, nepoweshiekfarmalls said:

I have been looking for a copy to purchase, but the only one I can find on the internet has a price tag of $250! ?

Soft cover reprints are available new for a much better price.  https://www.superscoutspecialists.com/international-harvester-a-corporate-tragedy-book   The words haven't changed.

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53 minutes ago, Howard_P said:

Soft cover reprints are available new for a much better price.  https://www.superscoutspecialists.com/international-harvester-a-corporate-tragedy-book   The words haven't changed.

I searched the internet:  e bay, amazon, no luck.  How the internet search engines failed to find it escapes me.  Thanks for the tip!

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15 hours ago, redturbo said:

The TV/Radio station WGN was started my one of the McCormick’s.  Not sure which book I have that I read that info.  If I find will update this.  

Actually I think it was the Tribune Corp that was started by Col. Robert McCormick which later started wgn.

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I haven’t read through all the posts yet, but with ALL the parts and pieces to this company it isn’t any wonder they went bankrupt. It would’ve taken a very special and talented management team to keep this company ticking like a Swiss watch. So many intricate pieces of a very complex puzzle with every piece contributing to the whole each in their unique way. 
Simply mind boggling when you think about what the founders built for a company. Awe inspiring. 

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Some of these old big companies didn't really know what it cost per unit to build their product because of the complex supply chains they owed.

When business was down you had a money bleed in every thing down to the ore, coal and timber. 

If you had suppliers you could get out of contracts quicker with less cash bleed.

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8 hours ago, ksfarmdude said:

Wouldn't this topic subject been better off in coffee shop? 

That's where I got here from.....

Mike

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There was a thread here with some info IH factory's - Coffee Shop - Red Power Magazine Community

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IH had a substantial  stake in the UK truck manufacturer Seddon Atkinson. I don't  think it was entirely owned by IH?

Also I seem to remember reading somewhere that IH had a 20% share of DAF trucks.

Not sure if it was IH or Navistar now I think about it.

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On 1/30/2021 at 11:25 PM, nepoweshiekfarmalls said:

A few things I can think of:

IH owned a plantation in Manilla and 7 factories for the growth and production of sisal and manilla twine.

IH had their own iron ore mine and 2 ships to transport it to the steel plant.

The West Pullman company produced fasteners for assembly of their products.

IH designed houses and outbuildings for farmsteads and made the blueprints available. 

IH had their own film production company and their own studios at Hickory Hill.

IH had a full functioning farm at Hinsdale to test and photograph its products. 

 

 

I have heard of most of these divisions or subsidiaries, but never about the plans for houses, barns, or farmsteads. I would like to see more about this branch, and even some of the plans if they are available.

I agree on the Corporate Tragedy, excellent book. First time I read it, I got an original version from the public library. Couple years later I asked for it again and they told me that it wasn't in the system anymore. I was the first person in like 15 years to sign it out. When I returned it, they probably looked at the circulation and said this is our of date or taking up too much space and sent it to the annual book sale where someone got it for five bucks! I should have just "lost" it and paid the fine, it had only even been signed out like five times.

I have looked at used bookstores for it, but never found it. I ended up with a paperback version. Binder books used to carry it also.

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5 hours ago, Pid 1831 said:

IH had a substantial  stake in the UK truck manufacturer Seddon Atkinson. I don't  think it was entirely owned by IH?

Also I seem to remember reading somewhere that IH had a 20% share of DAF trucks.

Not sure if it was IH or Navistar now I think about it.

That was IH, Navistar never had the money to buy into another manufacturer.  Pacific Truck was another one owned by IH.

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On 1/31/2021 at 11:50 AM, SDman said:

How about the town in Kentucky that was built by IH for a source of coal? Benham, Kentucky was known as the town that was "built by International Harvester".

IH coal town.jpg

That's a cool sign, is it current or is the sign long gone by now?

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Sign is current as Benham has transformed itself into a tourist destination.  The old company store is now the Kentucky Coal Museum and the former schoolhouse, built by IH I think, is now the Schoolhouse Inn.  It's an interesting place to visit.

 

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On 2/3/2021 at 7:59 PM, CC_Ranger said:

I have heard of most of these divisions or subsidiaries, but never about the plans for houses, barns, or farmsteads. I would like to see more about this branch, and even some of the plans if they are available.

I agree on the Corporate Tragedy, excellent book. First time I read it, I got an original version from the public library. Couple years later I asked for it again and they told me that it wasn't in the system anymore. I was the first person in like 15 years to sign it out. When I returned it, they probably looked at the circulation and said this is our of date or taking up too much space and sent it to the annual book sale where someone got it for five bucks! I should have just "lost" it and paid the fine, it had only even been signed out like five times.

I have looked at used bookstores for it, but never found it. I ended up with a paperback version. Binder books used to carry it also.

The IH Service bureau was the modern day equal to the extension services that are offered today.  They started in 1912, and were active in answering any question that people sent in - including providing building plans for everything.  there are a few views of the plans in the IH Building Book, and you can get a signed copy from sarahsgranary.com

Read the articles in the back of the red power magazine - every article touches on the Service bureau- there is too much to IH to fit all in one or two pages! 

S

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Solar made APUs for aircraft. One of the early Falcon 20s I flew had one. They were reliable, operable in flight, made good electric power but had anemic bleed air output for air conditioning. Most were replaced with a Honeywell unit, formerly Air Research, that had way more bleed capacity.They were also used in military helicopters perhaps better as an electric source rather than bleed air.

Solar Turbines Incorporated became a wholly owned subsidiary of Caterpillar Tractor Co. after Caterpillar purchased the assets of the Solar Division and the Turbomach division from International Harvester on 31 May 1981. In 1985, Caterpillar sold the Turbomach Division to Sundstrand Corporation.

I looked for a picture and found an actual T62-39 on Ebay complete as removed from the airplane.

 

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10 hours ago, Rusty's Daughter said:

The IH Service bureau was the modern day equal to the extension services that are offered today.  They started in 1912, and were active in answering any question that people sent in - including providing building plans for everything.  there are a few views of the plans in the IH Building Book, and you can get a signed copy from sarahsgranary.com

Read the articles in the back of the red power magazine - every article touches on the Service bureau- there is too much to IH to fit all in one or two pages! 

S

Thanks for posting that. I just ordered one.

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7 hours ago, mmi said:

what is the size?

They're about 3' long (less exhaust stack) and 2' in diameter and weigh about 150lb installed. As I recall they turn around 60,000 RPM.

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23 hours ago, Rusty's Daughter said:

The IH Service bureau was the modern day equal to the extension services that are offered today.  They started in 1912, and were active in answering any question that people sent in - including providing building plans for everything.  there are a few views of the plans in the IH Building Book, and you can get a signed copy from sarahsgranary.com

Read the articles in the back of the red power magazine - every article touches on the Service bureau- there is too much to IH to fit all in one or two pages! 

S

Thanks for the link, I will check it out and order one also.

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