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Hello:  I picked up this plow many years ago from a scrap yard.  It was missing the rear wheel and colter, but the existing wheels intrigued me, as I’ve never seen this style (cast) before.  I finally got around to gathering the needed parts and fixing it up this winter.  Does anyone have any information about these wheels?  I can’t seem to find them in my parts book.  They do have IHC within the casting.  I was guessing that International may have offered them as a rubber wheel conversion from steel.  Any input would be appreciated.  Thanks

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I’ve never seen that type wheel either, very interesting.

But my real question is how did you get that plow to where it is to take take the picture?? There are no other tracks in the snow...I should be able to see the tracks from the tractor that towed it there!!!!!

Unless you have a helicopter?

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Hi Dave:  Attached is another picture from a different angle with my shed in the background.  I just pulled it out by hand from my small workshop overhead door.  I spend a lot of time out there when it’s cold outside and during the dark winter days.  It came out easier than it went back in, I had to use both hands - Ha!IMG_2450.jpg.af3c652934730438f2c3e5e2d1e649fd.jpg

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Hi Fred:  I believe you are correct in regards to the flat iron piece on the hitch.  Most get bent up pretty bad over the years. This one spent some time on the anvil to get straighten.  They are shown in the parts book.  This specific plow didn’t have it, but several of my other plows do.  I took this one off one of my parts plows that I keep along the ditch in the back of the farm.  Yes, I utilize a twist clevis on the tractor drawbar to pull.  Attach is a close up picture of the hitch.IMG_2449.jpg.15c9f6fc84400c45f07fbca2f37ec7e0.jpg

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3 hours ago, Greg_Hughes said:

Hi Fred:  I believe you are correct in regards to the flat iron piece on the hitch.  Most get bent up pretty bad over the years. This one spent some time on the anvil to get straighten.  They are shown in the parts book.  This specific plow didn’t have it, but several of my other plows do.  I took this one off one of my parts plows that I keep along the ditch in the back of the farm.  Yes, I utilize a twist clevis on the tractor drawbar to pull.  Attach is a close up picture of the hitch.IMG_2449.jpg.15c9f6fc84400c45f07fbca2f37ec7e0.jpg

The plow turned out good Greg. It’s good to see it back together in one piece. As I recall it was in pieces this summer when we were there. 

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Can you find any of these part numbers on your cast wheel centers?  Despite the note in the parts book, these parts do not have illustrations.  I’m fairly certain this is what you have; this was the version of a rubber tire wheel used in 1939-1940.  I found this in PO-4 on the pages for the rubber tire wheels. 

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I'm getting major deja vu here. I vaguely rememer seeing those wheels before in a forum discussion years ago, and that time there was someone who knew where those wheels came from.

For some reason "Canadian" sticks in my head when I see those wheels.

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I am very interested if anybody will have the explanation for those wheels.   Very cool.   Clearly 2 sizes....what are the tire sizes right & left?  IF they are 16" (furrow) and 21" (land), looks like we have a winner (above).    But seriously---21" rim??   how do you find a tire??

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Hi IHCPloughman:  You answered my question - Thanks.  The land wheel (21”) is PO2514 and the furrow wheel (16”) is PO2516.  I dug deeper into my parts book (PO-4A) and found them.  You’re correct, there isn’t any illustrations of these cast wheels.  I also have another one of these plows (2-14”, No 8)that I’m working on that has all 3 cast wheels.  I also found the tailing wheel in the parts book, but no illustration.

Have you seen that tailing wheel alignment plate (half moon shape) with the 2 tabs?  All others that I have seen have been “boxed” / “solid”.  It’s the only one I’ve seen over the years.  It was bent and I had to straighten it, so I suspect it wasn’t up to the IH standard.

Thanks again for the information.  Attached are some close up pictures of the wheels.IMG_2473.jpg.d1bd35ab06b0c003950167a9f7eaba45.jpg1538264507_IMG_24742.jpg.3219f976d92c0eadb1fb41abc5e3ad61.jpgIMG_2470.jpg.c56f1c3f468e4069219bf274a123abaf.jpgIMG_2472.jpg.13db641e517f9a82c4a8b76f6a06276d.jpg

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Hi Jeff-C-IL:  The sizes are 21” & 16” just like IHCPloughman suspected.  I measured another one that I’m working on and the rim is 3.1/2” wide as described in the parts book.  I purchased my 21” tire from Miller Tire in Ohio. I think that size was common on Ford model T cars.  Attached is a picture of my 21” rim that I’m working on.IMG_2475.jpg.c49c5e359d88dc886ec8827c6ff555f4.jpg

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1 hour ago, Greg_Hughes said:

Have you seen that tailing wheel alignment plate (half moon shape) with the 2 tabs?  All others that I have seen have been “boxed” / “solid”.  It’s the only one I’ve seen over the years.  It was bent and I had to straighten it, so I suspect it wasn’t up to the IH standard.

I was trying to think of the part you are talking about.  Then I looked at your pictures closely, and wow, no, I have not seen a plate like that.  I have seen very early examples without the little ear on top toward the rear.  Your plate is very strange. 

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I have 3 #8 plows with those expensive wheels-they are crazy rare and were offered only in '39 and '40. Around 30 plus years ago i met a former employee of the IHC Canton P&O plant at Old Threshers in Mt Pleasant Iowa and he had started there around '37. Talked with him for hours and he told me those cast wheels came out in the fall of '39 to dress up the plows for the release of the new letter series Farmalls. The new A B H and M were promoted on rubber so they wanted the implements on rubber also. He said they were an expensive wheel to produce and an expensive option so not many sets were built and sold -he remembered them making only one batch of them. the wheels should be painted the old Harvester cream like the steel wheels but the rims were originally plated with zinc and left natural although some rims may not have been plated.

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Hi ihbill:  WOW, thanks for the reply/ information on those wheels.  I always thought they looked similar to the letter series tractor front wheels.  This is all coming together with your information and IHCPloughman’s identification in the parts book.  I’ve only seen (3) other plows, not including my (2) with these cast wheels.  With your (3) and R190’s (I), I guess we know that (9) of these plows have survived.  I sure there are others.

 I regards to the paint, I did find some white looking paint on the clutch box housing that the land wheel slips into.  I took it as primer.  On the wheels specific, I thought I remember finding some blue, but I can’t remember for sure.  I did see a plow many years ago at a Red Power Roundup that had them painted blue.  I have pictures of it.  It might have been at Mt Pleasant, Iowa.  That plow had a cleated style rubber tire on the 21” (land) side.

Do your 3 plows have the 3 casts wheels ( land, furrow, tail)on each.  My single bottom was missing the tail wheel, so I just installed a typical rubber wheel.  My 2 bottom has all 3 cast wheels.

Again, thanks for the information!

 

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I actually have four plows with cast wheels- two 2 bottoms and two three bottoms. one three bottom has had the tail wheel replaced with the new style wheel and hub. one two bottom has always been inside and there is blue paint under the cream on the cast hubs but in all the old photos I have seen the wheels were cream when they were new just like the steel wheeled plows. I have a buddy not far from me that has a nice two bottom with all 3 cast wheels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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