Ed59 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hi. I just purchased IH 234 hydro 1984 - 1985 starts and run very well, but the clutch is lock or seized and looking for help on how to freeing it up. it has been sitting in a barn for about a year. TY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hydros don't have clutches. So whats's stuck? The left foot pedal? Where is it stuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 if your sitting on it, the left side pedal. it's all the way up. will not push down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Don't have a good picture of it in my head but I am going to assume it is stuck on pedal pivot. Disconnect any linkage and confirm. Iirc those are fabricated steel pedals. Rap on pedal around pivot and apply your favorite loose juice. Start working pedal back and forth. May need to apply heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 I did Disconnect the linkage and I can move it back and forth with some big ratchet straps and put a lot of oil on it. I will try to heat it up tomorrow. do I have to worry about anything behind the casting like rubber or seals. and sorry but what dose that pedal for if it's not a clutch. Thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Mech Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 A 234 hydro does have a clutch. I think snoshoe is thinking about the larger hydro tractors. They used a dump valve instead of a clutch. The 234 needs the clutch for the gear driven PTO. You may have to split the tractor to free it up. Thro-out carrier may be seized to the shaft, and the clutch may be stuck fast to the flywheel and pressure plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Ty For the info. I will look for a manual and try to split the tractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I spoke out of turn. I really don't remember a whole lot about that tractor BUT if pedal is still stuck with linkage disconnected.Splitting tractor is not going to free it. You may still have to split if something is stuck in clutch but you won't know that until pedal is free. I do not remember what holds pedal to shaft but if you can get movement in pedal and work it off shaft. It would then be easy to then clean shaft. If you havn't done it. Removing floor board would probably give you better access. By all means get whatever manuals you can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 You asked about seals in regards to heating that pedal. That is a very good question. I don't think so. Some one with access to parts list could prove me wrong. @J-MechWhen you move pedal with your straps. Does the shaft move with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 yes the shaft moves it is wielded on the shaft I can move it with the straps but that all, I put a lot of pressure to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I have thoughts but I need confirmation before I say anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I am almost positive the shaft is a stub pressed into housing . No seals. There is grease fitting on pedal. Too much heat there would ruin spring on check ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Mech Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, snoshoe said: I am almost positive the shaft is a stub pressed into housing . Correct. Sorry I'm late to the party. Here's the parts picture: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 this one must have been broke at sometime because this one is welded on the peddle works fine, it's the piece that goes into the housing, on your picture at the end of #5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 That changes things. Might as well split it and see whats stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Thank you for all your help, I will see about a manual and try my luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
460 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 To the point about the PTO, this is not live power. This maybe a 3 person job, with tractor off. Wrench on front crank shaft holding engine. One on seat depressing clutch or use storage flipper to keep clutch depressed. Third person on pto use adapter with pry bar to turn pto. It may come free. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Mech Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 hours ago, 460 said: To the point about the PTO, this is not live power. This maybe a 3 person job, with tractor off. Wrench on front crank shaft holding engine. One on seat depressing clutch or use storage flipper to keep clutch depressed. Third person on pto use adapter with pry bar to turn pto. It may come free. Scott That might work if he could depress the clutch pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 TY. I will give this a try on the weekend and let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
460 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 As J-Mesh showed in the exploded view #11 is the storage flipper I was referring to. My 244 has the same feature, the owners manual covers this, I guess for long term storage it is to keep the clutch depressed to eliminate exactly what you are experiencing. Can't say I ever used it though but mine is kept in a dry environment, and used often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Mech Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 4 hours ago, 460 said: As J-Mesh showed in the exploded view #11 is the storage flipper I was referring to. My 244 has the same feature, the owners manual covers this, I guess for long term storage it is to keep the clutch depressed to eliminate exactly what you are experiencing. Can't say I ever used it though but mine is kept in a dry environment, and used often. Am I missing something here?? Did the OP not state that the problem is he cannot depress the clutch pedal? You cannot lock the clutch pedal disengaged if it won't depress. So wrenches on the motor and PTO and prying around isn't going to do anything other than possibly break something. 4 hours ago, Ed59 said: TY. I will give this a try on the weekend and let you know. Do not do this. Just split the tractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 5 hours ago, J-Mech said: Am I missing something here?? Did the OP not state that the problem is he cannot depress the clutch pedal? You cannot lock the clutch pedal disengaged if it won't depress. So wrenches on the motor and PTO and prying around isn't going to do anything other than possibly break something. Do not do this. Just split the tractor. OK TY J-Mech I will not try it. I think it's back to splitting it apart or just use it like it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed59 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Ed59 said: OK TY J-Mech I will not try it. I think it's back to splitting it apart or just use it like it is? J-Mech were did you get your manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Mech Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ed59 said: OK TY J-Mech I will not try it. I think it's back to splitting it apart or just use it like it is? I suppose you could use it as is, assuming you do not use the PTO. If you use the PTO then you're going to have to fix it. 1 hour ago, Ed59 said: J-Mech were did you get your manual. I don't have a manual for the 234. Parts manual is available online for free through CIH (CNH). I buy all my manual through this company unless they do not have it. They do have a workshop set for the 234. They may also have the 234 parts manual. I did not look. https://www.peacefulcreek.com/products/lot-international-234-244-254-tractor-service-manual-repair-shop-ih-technical?variant=8906137632825¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2018-11-08&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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