boots 5 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just phase i heard long ago no offense meant typing is so impersonate cant recieve any of the hidden parts of the human voice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkG 876 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I read somewhere that all the latest penetrating oil is bad if the part doesn’t come loose. The chemistry in the high tech penetrating oil will evaporate and may make the situation worse. WD40 is just a light oil and will soak in better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky 243 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 16 hours ago, MarkG said: I read somewhere that all the latest penetrating oil is bad if the part doesn’t come loose. The chemistry in the high tech penetrating oil will evaporate and may make the situation worse. WD40 is just a light oil and will soak in better. The biggest problem with using any kind of penetrating oil in this particular situation is that it's not even rust that needs broken loose. It's simply dirt. Throw it in a tank of water for a while and they'll come loose. Travis 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sresites 12 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Wish I had my sonic cleaner from the navy. Used it to clean teletype machine parts on the ship. That would’ve absolutely loosened the lower link parts. Chemicals used in the process is why I am the way I am. :~) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pt756 106 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 hello went thru the same thing with the 856 a couple of years ago, soaked them in penetrating oil most of the winter, heated jacked and pulled, did not hear of the water thing, finally a guy told me to cut the flat part off the bottom, so took a thin blade and sliced the welds, then they finally let loose, rewelded the flat bar back on, this was the first ones i could not get loose. sure was alot quicker than all the heating and pulling and hammering i tried before, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ksfarmdude 497 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 21 hours ago, pt756 said: hello went thru the same thing with the 856 a couple of years ago, soaked them in penetrating oil most of the winter, heated jacked and pulled, did not hear of the water thing, finally a guy told me to cut the flat part off the bottom, so took a thin blade and sliced the welds, then they finally let loose, rewelded the flat bar back on, this was the first ones i could not get loose. sure was alot quicker than all the heating and pulling and hammering i tried before, Wow alot of work there, can't say I've had anything stuck that tight I couldn't remove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J-Mech 1,181 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 9 hours ago, ksfarmdude said: Wow alot of work there, can't say I've had anything stuck that tight I couldn't remove Oh, I have! Gave up on a few things. The parts were cheaper than my time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ksfarmdude 497 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, J-Mech said: Oh, I have! Gave up on a few things. The parts were cheaper than my time. in my experience nothing worse for rust or corrosion things froze tight than equipment used in a feedlot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pirlbeck 63 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 I thought I would give an update on this electrolysis process. It has been a week since I started this and it seemed to be going pretty well at the start, but after 3-4 days things slowed down quite a bit...........the amp draw went down, the bubbling pretty much stopped and the rust slime on the top of the water disappeared. Over the weekend I pulled the 3pt arm out for inspection and the extension arm latch area definitely had less rust build up on it, but anchoring the tractor end and putting a shaft in the ball socket and hitting the shaft with a sledge did not move it at all. So I put it back in the barrel, added a little more washing soda and for the last 3 days it seemed we were not gaining much. I had a lot going on in the shop, so it was not much of a priority to try something. Tonight I pulled the rebar anodes and they had a pretty good build up of rust on them so I hit them with the pressure washer turbo tip and then wire brushed them. Now the charger is pulling more amps then ever (20 on the hi setting) and it appears we have lots of "cleaning action" going on. So I guess one thing I have learned so far is that for it to work it needs clean, rust free anode bars. I don't recall any of the articles I read prior to setting this up mentioning the importance of cleaning the anode bars, but I was mostly interested in the initial setup and did not read much farther. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArkLa 1086 237 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 hours ago, pirlbeck said: I thought I would give an update on this electrolysis process. It has been a week since I started this and it seemed to be going pretty well at the start, but after 3-4 days things slowed down quite a bit...........the amp draw went down, the bubbling pretty much stopped and the rust slime on the top of the water disappeared. Over the weekend I pulled the 3pt arm out for inspection and the extension arm latch area definitely had less rust build up on it, but anchoring the tractor end and putting a shaft in the ball socket and hitting the shaft with a sledge did not move it at all. So I put it back in the barrel, added a little more washing soda and for the last 3 days it seemed we were not gaining much. I had a lot going on in the shop, so it was not much of a priority to try something. Tonight I pulled the rebar anodes and they had a pretty good build up of rust on them so I hit them with the pressure washer turbo tip and then wire brushed them. Now the charger is pulling more amps then ever (20 on the hi setting) and it appears we have lots of "cleaning action" going on. So I guess one thing I have learned so far is that for it to work it needs clean, rust free anode bars. I don't recall any of the articles I read prior to setting this up mentioning the importance of cleaning the anode bars, but I was mostly interested in the initial setup and did not read much farther. I wonder if stainless anodes would work or be more productive then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pirlbeck 63 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, ArkLa 1086 said: I wonder if stainless anodes would work or be more productive then? Stainless anodes are not recommended for this reason. Below is a copy and paste from this website. https://www.instructables.com/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/ NOTE: Do not use stainless steel for the electrodes. As pointed out by a commenter on the intro page (thanks!) "The chrome in the stainless will leach out during the electrolysis and form hexavalent chromium compounds in your electrolyte. These are extremely bad for you." This is true - dont even think about using stainless steel for this project. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rawleigh99 835 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I have also used my welder set on DC to power the electrolysis in a 250 gallon tote with the top cut out. Electrolysis is line of sight so I don't know how this will work out for you. Just soaking it in the tank probably helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pirlbeck 63 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Rawleigh99 said: Electrolysis is line of sight so I don't know how this will work out for you. Thanks for the information, I did not know that electrolysis only worked on items located in the line of site. I think I will add a horizontal anode bar and locate it directly above the rusted latch parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nebraska1206 153 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 7:42 PM, pirlbeck said: I thought I would give an update on this electrolysis process. It has been a week since I started this and it seemed to be going pretty well at the start, but after 3-4 days things slowed down quite a bit...........the amp draw went down, the bubbling pretty much stopped and the rust slime on the top of the water disappeared. Over the weekend I pulled the 3pt arm out for inspection and the extension arm latch area definitely had less rust build up on it, but anchoring the tractor end and putting a shaft in the ball socket and hitting the shaft with a sledge did not move it at all. So I put it back in the barrel, added a little more washing soda and for the last 3 days it seemed we were not gaining much. I had a lot going on in the shop, so it was not much of a priority to try something. Tonight I pulled the rebar anodes and they had a pretty good build up of rust on them so I hit them with the pressure washer turbo tip and then wire brushed them. Now the charger is pulling more amps then ever (20 on the hi setting) and it appears we have lots of "cleaning action" going on. So I guess one thing I have learned so far is that for it to work it needs clean, rust free anode bars. I don't recall any of the articles I read prior to setting this up mentioning the importance of cleaning the anode bars, but I was mostly interested in the initial setup and did not read much farther. I too am giving the electrolysis method a try, but on a smaller scale on a 1256's seat part. One thing is for sure, you are exactly right, a step that no one mentions is cleaning the sacrificial anode, removing all the built up rust and scale from it to allow the process to continue performing as well as it can. I'm excited to see how my part turns out, as well as yours. I'm definitely gonna try something else shortly after this one, just for fun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R190 176 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 10/31/2020 at 12:37 PM, Sparky said: The biggest problem with using any kind of penetrating oil in this particular situation is that it's not even rust that needs broken loose. It's simply dirt. Throw it in a tank of water for a while and they'll come loose. Travis x2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Ruppert 3 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I have used E-85 gas with excellent results / loosens cleans most anything given time / how much time depends on build up steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grayihcowner 13 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I bought a used 7120 a number of years ago, the tractor came out of a feed yard, and I don't think the 3 point was ever used. Those arms were stuck tight, tried several things but they wouldn't move at all. I had other things that needed in the shop, so I cut the plate off the bottom of the arm and drove them down and out. I sand blasted all the parts, primed them and welded it back together, worked great and didn't take long to do it that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nepoweshiekfarmalls 2,081 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I placed an old crescent wrench and a rusty carburetor in the tank of my parts washer for a year. Both freed up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Kirsch 899 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 9 hours ago, nepoweshiekfarmalls said: for a year That's the thing, it takes TIME for whatever solvent you use, be it parts washing fluid or "penetrating oil" to soak in, if it ever does. Most people spritz a bolt with their favorite juice and slap a wrench on it. It comes loose, and "Wow that's some great stuff! It's the best stuff ever!" No! The bolt wasn't stuck in the first place! The Kroil/Blaster/Liquid Wrench/WD40 was all psychological. I'll give you that it does help on EXPOSED threads, loosening up dirt and rust and lubricating the threads, but it did nothing to free up that bolt. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TeachersPet1066 549 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Forgot that I put this in the outdoor wood burner to break loose 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pt756 106 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 i see some one else finally had to resort to the cut the plate off idea, last resort for us at the time, and was a lot safer than some of the other methods i tried, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sresites 12 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 No soaking. Picking and using sawzall blades and hacksaw blades. Even flattened out the teeth edges to fit between the parts. Finally using strong rods and a 4 ton bottle jack with about 30 blows from a small sledge. Total hours about 8. The other side is showing signs of loosening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sresites 12 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Hour and a half later. This time with a couple spritz of Panther fiss. Probably 50 or more blows with the small sledge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
560Dennis 1,396 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Be careful with electrolysis, it gives off hydrogen as byproduct. Always unplug before you touch the wire connector, wear face mask, be safe ,or it will blow up ! Don’t have it inside either ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edsfarms 97 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Sresites said: No soaking. Picking and using sawzall blades and hacksaw blades. Even flattened out the teeth edges to fit between the parts. Finally using strong rods and a 4 ton bottle jack with about 30 blows from a small sledge. Total hours about 8. The other side is showing signs of loosening. Good Work! Tractor repairs... "90% Persistence, brute force & ignorance 10% intelligence& finesse" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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