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I see the blade on the loader hopefully this wasn’t your snow removal weapon for the winter, if you can get that rod cap back on, don’t want to nick or damage that journal, you will have to let us know outcome curious minds following this one...

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...interesting.....lucky operator.....that could have been far worse than a stuck engine....

.......the RPM's the engine is turning at , at the moment of immersion is  critical !!!....for example in a third world country where I worked , the exuberance of the local "drivers'  following a exceptionally  heavy rainstorm, destroyed three engines , in  3 ton  Nissan/Toyota   work trucks.. Some of the rods were so badly 'bent' , that they had to be hammered out of the blocks...In event all the engines were scrapped....

So, the old "M"  might have been turning over at maybe  1000  RPM....at the time of immersion....but as Lance suggested, the electrics  would have quit...about a part   second or so before the air cleaner top took water.......if the rotary slasher was still engaged at that point, that ''inertia'' would have kept the engine turning ..untill...it ingested that water in #2 cylinder......The fan blades...made of American  steel, would not have time or inertia to ''curl' into the radiator.  .thus destroying it....as do the bloody plastic fan blades...

I would doubt that a big end bearing would be the issue.....if by chance it proves to be that.....it would suggest the bearing and journal had long since lost that first flush of youth.....just  my opinion....

I guess you are only going to find the real issue..upon pulling it down......I know that is obvious, but it is hard to second  guess the real issue,,, My son and a grandson were  being bloody stupid with neighbours   3 ton  Mazda  'tipper''...went through our river crossing without checking the aircleaner/intake etc  As it was set low on the passenger side of the cab....that little exercise  cost 5K....:angry:...  I actually got the thing running....sort of....after a lot of vitriol /effort   and time....that was good enough to drive onto a 'salvage vehicle.   On pulling the engine down....one of the pistons had part of the top and the skirt broken......Engine scrapped.                                                                                                                     ...good luck !!

We have fun with river crossing where I live......:)

Mike

 

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19 hours ago, mike newman said:

...interesting.....lucky operator.....that could have been far worse than a stuck engine....

.......the RPM's the engine is turning at , at the moment of immersion is  critical !!!....for example in a third world country where I worked , the exuberance of the local "drivers'  following a exceptionally  heavy rainstorm, destroyed three engines , in  3 ton  Nissan/Toyota   work trucks.. Some of the rods were so badly 'bent' , that they had to be hammered out of the blocks...In event all the engines were scrapped....

So, the old "M"  might have been turning over at maybe  1000  RPM....at the time of immersion....but as Lance suggested, the electrics  would have quit...about a part   second or so before the air cleaner top took water.......if the rotary slasher was still engaged at that point, that ''inertia'' would have kept the engine turning ..untill...it ingested that water in #2 cylinder......The fan blades...made of American  steel, would not have time or inertia to ''curl' into the radiator.  .thus destroying it....as do the bloody plastic fan blades...

I would doubt that a big end bearing would be the issue.....if by chance it proves to be that.....it would suggest the bearing and journal had long since lost that first flush of youth.....just  my opinion....

I guess you are only going to find the real issue..upon pulling it down......I know that is obvious, but it is hard to second  guess the real issue,,, My son and a grandson were  being bloody stupid with neighbours   3 ton  Mazda  'tipper''...went through our river crossing without checking the aircleaner/intake etc  As it was set low on the passenger side of the cab....that little exercise  cost 5K....:angry:...  I actually got the thing running....sort of....after a lot of vitriol /effort   and time....that was good enough to drive onto a 'salvage vehicle.   On pulling the engine down....one of the pistons had part of the top and the skirt broken......Engine scrapped.                                                                                                                     ...good luck !!

We have fun with river crossing where I live......:)

Mike

 

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Mike ️“Pouring it on”?

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I wrapped it up as per Duntongw insights on Friday... ; xtra mucho well oiled everywhere. (and just about as much Dragon's Milk (a dark beer) ingested !!)    Then upon awakening yesterday i had a “AH-HA !!” moment…. and went outside again to unwrap my "Night before Xmas " surprise ? !   I then proceeded to dislodge the clutch by putting a long rod in my hammer drill and bumping the flywheel/clutch assembly. Lotsa PB Blaster on the splines of the shaft...  and kept at it now and then, and resting for a few hours inbetween hammering sessions.    Well -->It worked !!!  The clutch is free !!!  The engine is still not as easy to turn as before the accident though, but a lot easier than just after. The tranny thus seems OK... yeahhhh !    My guess is that M's engine only need a in-situ rebuild, and that would be a nice spring-days job…. I'll leave the clutch wedged in so i don't have to deal with a stucked one again in 6 months.  I got the tricycle gear out of the grainery… and will check it out to see if the wide front wheels fits. I got the front bucket brackets/supports on wheels, and will try to haul that assembly out of the way when the weather gets better later this week. Then jack the front section of the Farmall and 1- remove the wide front, 2- install the tricycle (if it fits…).   Then, and thus "ready", i'll forget it once again till April/May, when i'll be able to rebuild that engine...   fingers crossed still !   If, after rebuilding the engine, everything checks out OK.. i could switch back to the wide front end before reinstalling the blade....    At least i now see a clear path to recovery... 

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Sometimes every nut and bolt from top to bottom must be rotated ,etc.

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What i notice here seems to corroborate what you say 560Dennis.... as i'm finding that some parts that were looser immediately after the dunking are now harder to move.  Makes me nervous.... !?   If it'd be spring or summer still, that wouldn't be a problem, but with winter at the doorsteps i'll just have to hope for the best !!!

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On 11/1/2020 at 12:07 PM, 560Dennis said:

Mike ️“Pouring it on”?

I’m wondering do you use gps to ford the River ? How do pick the route ?

sorry don’t want to sideways the thread ,but it’s fascinating ? 

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Peiro,

 So glad that your wife was ok! Tractors can be fixed! Sounds like your going to tear into it next spring. You will find the problem then. 

That picture from Mike. There is no load of wood that is that important!

Regards,

 Chris

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On 11/19/2020 at 1:39 AM, sugarmaker said:

Peiro,

 So glad that your wife was ok! Tractors can be fixed! Sounds like your going to tear into it next spring. You will find the problem then. 

That picture from Mike. There is no load of wood that is that important!

Regards,

 Chris

Chris.....coffee shop .".Something for Dennis 560""...bit more re that"" load of wood ""

Mike

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On 10/26/2020 at 7:38 PM, Piero said:

  Also; as i was removing the #2 rod cap yesterday, i notice a few drops of antifreeze  (fluo yelowish-green color) drip.  Haven't seen that (antifreeze) nowhere else....    any ideas ??

I know I am late to this game but if there is coolant on any of the highly polished surfaces in that engine like the crank or rod journals I would be tearing that thing apart asap!  I would want to know exactly where it was coming from and how much was there.  We had a liner get a pin hole in it on a Big Cam Cummins in our KW grain truck once hauling corn in the fall.  It sat two weeks till we could get it into a shop to get it overhauled.  Well in two weeks time the crank, cam and rods all had signs of corrosion on them already.  Luckily they were all ok but had it sat over winter till spring they would have been junk.  Granted it did dump and mix the whole cooling system into the engine block unlike what you have going on.

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On 11/6/2020 at 5:47 AM, Piero said:

What i notice here seems to corroborate what you say 560Dennis.... as i'm finding that some parts that were looser immediately after the dunking are now harder to move.  Makes me nervous.... !?   If it'd be spring or summer still, that wouldn't be a problem, but with winter at the doorsteps i'll just have to hope for the best !!!

Keep your steam up as the the old timers say ️Don’t give up , it a blessing in disguise ? You will be enriched with the educational experience , always be positive about it . I find it’s good to set back and think for a day or two when a dilemma arises( in my case it may be a month with my Fordson) . Of course we will try to answer you.
hug the wife for us ?‍♂️? It’s only a Farmall M ⬅️

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On 11/20/2020 at 3:29 AM, mike newman said:

Chris.....coffee shop .".Something for Dennis 560""...bit more re that"" load of wood ""

Mike

Thank for your response ! 

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