I love 86s

[Reichow7120]

1 hour ago, TP from Central PA said:

You guys can haul your '66's to my house...............pm me for the address.  

If we still had the 1466 i would probably take you up on it provided a reasonable amount of money or a decent 86 series as a trade ( you hate them as much as i hate 66 series) 

[Reichow7120]

2 hours ago, SDman said:

You guys sound like my old IH dealer...he said the same thing. He thought IH would have made it if IH came out with the 86s in the early seventies, the 50 series in the late 70s, and the Magnum/New Farmall in the early 1980s.

In his "dream world", IH would have kept the 56 series an extra year, releasing the 86s in 1972 at the same time Deere introduced their Next Generation(30 series) tractors. Then they would have released the 50 series in 77 or so, with the full powershift in 1981. In Ken Updike's book (IH tractors 1955-85), he mentions that the STS transmission was available when the 86s came out in 1976, but IH's marketing people decided the new cab and a new transmission at the same time was considered "too much new stuff at one time" for the market at the time. 

Hindsight is 20/20.

Me personally, I think a 86 series intro in 71 would have been great. The 56s had had their run and needed a update. 71 intro would have put the 86 series 2 years ahead of the Deere 30 series with the Sound Guard. A intro of the 50 series in 75 or 76 would have been great and a powershift would have fit the ticket in the late 70s, no later than 1980. Anything later than 80 wouldn't have sold enough to make a dent during 80s farm crisis. 

[DR.EVIL]

WOW,  I think of all the work about 8 of us did moving several MILLIONS of pounds of castings and forgings from the gray iron machining area to install the Ingersol transfer lines to machine the transmission and final drive castings of the 86 series and eventually the 5X88 series at FARMALL.  I was amazed they could fit an excavator that big inside the building to dig the pit and foundation for those transfer lines. I heard they found some sewer lines at a deeper depth than anything shown on the city maps or blueprints.

   Not sure how much sooner the East Moline plant could have started producing cabs for the 150 tractors a day FARMALL was building of the 86 series.

[KWRB]

I like them too. But mostly 43, 45 and 4786's!!

I've never farmed with any of them, so I can't quite weigh in on that, but I think non Snoopy 88's are ugly. I used to think 2+2's were ugly too, until I did my homework and learned to appreciate just how revolutionary they were. Now, they get a pass and I appreciate them. But the others are kinda blah.

Blasphemy? Do I need to surrender my login credentials?

[Big Bud guy]

3 hours ago, Reichow7120 said:

Me personally, I think a 86 series intro in 71 would have been great. The 56s had had their run and needed a update. 71 intro would have put the 86 series 2 years ahead of the Deere 30 series with the Sound Guard. A intro of the 50 series in 75 or 76 would have been great and a powershift would have fit the ticket in the late 70s, no later than 1980. Anything later than 80 wouldn't have sold enough to make a dent during 80s farm crisis. 

The 30 series came out in 72 so the 86s would have only had one year alone.  My beef really isn't with the cab which I can tolerate easy if I'm not getting in/out 100 times a day.  Problem is for a series introduced in 1976 to still use a dry clutch TA open centered hydraulics was just lacking.  Its amazing that it took IH 5 years to replace the 66 series when all they did was put a good cab on a 66 body.  Heck JD was ready for to put he SGB on the market during the 4020 days.  I've always wondered if screwing around with the 2+2 development and trying to push hydro tractors took away from time and money that should have been spent on the regular row crop tractor lineup.

[Big Bud guy]

15 hours ago, SDman said:

Then you get on the www, and they make it sound like operating an 86 series IH is like being put into a torture chamber of some sort. Sorry...not for me.

Not saying you said any of this but the internet is a funny place because likewise I didn't know doorposts, mystery synchro shifts, curved glass, front mounted fuel tanks, and overlapping gears was an issue either.  

[Big Bud guy]

6 hours ago, TP from Central PA said:

You guys can haul your '66's to my house...............pm me for the address.  

I think I've seen before why you prefer the 66 series but if you had to farm the way we did, which is spending hours, days, and weeks on tractors there is no way in he!! you would want a 66 series.  Everyone one I see around here has the cab trashed and doors taken off.  Tells me they weren't a good cab in the first place.  Only way I would take a 66 series is for stationary PTO work.  

[Reichow7120]

2 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Not saying you said any of this but the internet is a funny place because likewise I didn't know doorposts, mystery synchro shifts, curved glass, front mounted fuel tanks, and overlapping gears was an issue either.  

You do have to admit that compared to everyone else that the syncro Transmission shift pattern made absolutely now sense. 1 and 3rd in the same gate? 2nd and 5th? 4th and 7th? 6th and 8th? Nothing else ive ever been in has a nonsensical gear shift pattern like that. 

Front mounted fuel tanks? When you're moving, why have to have the air come in the side when you can have a straight into the radiator flow with a open grille and the fuel tank somewhere else. Again, you see nothing else deciding to put the fuel tank on the front and suck into the side. ( before you say "What about the Forward Air Flow IH had on the 30 and 50 series " it wasn't the greatest thought out idea and i admit it) 

Everything else you said i can go along with to some extent.

[TP from Central PA]

25 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

I think I've seen before why you prefer the 66 series but if you had to farm the way we did, which is spending hours, days, and weeks on tractors there is no way in he!! you would want a 66 series.  Everyone one I see around here has the cab trashed and doors taken off.  Tells me they weren't a good cab in the first place.  Only way I would take a 66 series is for stationary PTO work.  

Who said I wanted one with a cab?  

[cedar farm]

The 86's had a great forward view vs others at that time. All 86's should have left the factory with a tilt wheel and electric controlled T/A and transbrake. 

[Big Bud guy]

2 minutes ago, Reichow7120 said:

You do have to admit that compared to everyone else that the syncro Transmission shift pattern made absolutely now sense. 1 and 3rd in the same gate? 2nd and 5th? 4th and 7th? 6th and 8th? Nothing else ive ever been in has a nonsensical gear shift pattern like that. 

Front mounted fuel tanks? When you're moving, why have to have the air come in the side when you can have a straight into the radiator flow with a open grille and the fuel tank somewhere else. Again, you see nothing else deciding to put the fuel tank on the front and suck into the side. ( before you say "What about the Forward Air Flow IH had on the 30 and 50 series " it wasn't the greatest thought out idea and i admit it) 

Everything else you said i can go along with to some extent.

The syncro shift pattern didn’t bother me because you couldn’t shift up or down anyway once the plow was in the ground.  For transporting or hauling I always thought being able to start in 6th and go to 8 was handy or when pulling a heavy load start in 4th and go to 7th. 

The thing you forget is if you didn’t like the syncro you could always get the powershift.  IMO, JD gave you superior choices.  I would much rather have to decide between a syncro/quadrange and powershift vs a 16 speed TA and hydro.  

[TP from Central PA]

17 minutes ago, cedar farm said:

The 86's had a great forward view vs others at that time. All 86's should have left the factory with a tilt wheel and electric controlled T/A and transbrake. 

If they would have left the factory as a 3688 cab rear half with a 86 series from the windshield forward, they would have had something.  

[Reichow7120]

Just now, Big Bud guy said:

The syncro shift pattern didn’t bother me because you couldn’t shift up or down anyway once the plow was in the ground.  For transporting or hauling I always thought being able to start in 6th and go to 8 was handy or when pulling a heavy load start in 4th and go to 7th. 

The thing you forget is if you didn’t like the syncro you could always get the powershift.  IMO, JD gave you superior choices.  I would much rather have to decide between a syncro/quadrange and powershift vs a 16 speed TA and hydro.  

Not around my neck of the woods. It helps to have a tree to get a load going to get to road speed. And 6th to 8th was lacking at times. Especially on the 4010s. Ive pulled enough silage wagons with them to wish i could drop to 7th instead of all the way to 6th. Im sure the same could be said about plowing. You only needed to drop a gear to get through the tough spot but that wasn't a option.

I still find it funny that everyone talks about Deere powershifts. It must have been a regional preference because around here next to no one had a Deere powershift until the 15 speed came out with the 50 series. Everyone had quad ranges or syncros unless you had a 4840 ( 8 speed or nothing on them) and there is only one around here.

[ZG6E]

7 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

The 30 series came out in 72 so the 86s would have only had one year alone.  My beef really isn't with the cab which I can tolerate easy if I'm not getting in/out 100 times a day.  Problem is for a series introduced in 1976 to still use a dry clutch TA open centered hydraulics was just lacking.  Its amazing that it took IH 5 years to replace the 66 series when all they did was put a good cab on a 66 body.  Heck JD was ready for to put he SGB on the market during the 4020 days.  I've always wondered if screwing around with the 2+2 development and trying to push hydro tractors took away from time and money that should have been spent on the regular row crop tractor lineup.

Without a doubt a wet clutch and closed center hydraulics are better but I’m able to get A LOT of hours out of a dry clutch even having two 1086s as loaders. And back in the 70’s what was the big advantage of closed center hydraulics?

[Big Bud guy]

12 hours ago, ZG6E said:

Without a doubt a wet clutch and closed center hydraulics are better but I’m able to get A LOT of hours out of a dry clutch even having two 1086s as loaders. And back in the 70’s what was the big advantage of closed center hydraulics?

Running a pump and being able to use other functions at the same time.  CC hydraulics might not have been a huge advantage in 1971 but by the 1976 that’s were the industry was heading.  Even Versatile and Steiger had to add them in the 80s.  Plus if you were one of those that kept a tractor for 20+ years but updated implements JDs were more capable.  

[B.B.]

I love how we are still arguing over 40 year old tractors!

 

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I'm a tractor fan so even tractors I don't like I generally tend to like and want to admire! 

 

[TP from Central PA]

56 minutes ago, B.B. said:

I love how we are still arguing over 40 year old tractors!

 

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I'm a tractor fan so even tractors I don't like I generally tend to like and want to admire! 

 

I have both colors here.........like them both, each have jobs one excells at vs the other............As long as its not tankers 8N Ford that my 6x4 gator could out pull, I am fine.

[Big Bud guy]

18 hours ago, Reichow7120 said:

 

I still find it funny that everyone talks about Deere powershifts. It must have been a regional preference because around here next to no one had a Deere powershift until the 15 speed came out with the 50 series. Everyone had quad ranges or syncros unless you had a 4840 ( 8 speed or nothing on them) and there is only one around here.

No doubt synchros were more popular but our 4020 was a powershift.  I’ve run into several more 4020s and other 20 series with powershifts.  I’ve even run into a few 40 series with powershifts not counting the 4840.  What’s funny is redpower is the only place on the internet were “powershifts were nonexistent in my area”.  I bet JD built just many powershift 4020s as IH built 806s.

[B.B.]

4 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

 I bet JD built just many powershift 4020s as IH built 806s.

4020???  Never heard of her???

 

 

I had too, it was too easy!    I haven't even sat on a 4020 as you just don't see too many around where I'm from.   That said I wouldn't mind to drive one for a bit so I can say I have!

[Big Bud guy]

2 minutes ago, B.B. said:

4020???  Never heard of her???

 

 

I had too, it was too easy!    I haven't even sat on a 4020 as you just don't see too many around where I'm from.   That said I wouldn't mind to drive one for a bit so I can say I have!

Honestly, to me the 4020 is like the Farmall M or H and JD B or A.  They made so damn many of them I really don’t care to own one again or even drive one again.  There are a couple other 20 series I would rather own before a 4020.

[B.B.]

I don't want one either, but I wouldn't turn down a nice 4960, and or maybe a 4955 but I'd rather have the 60 series! 

I actually do want a 4960 one of these days just because I spent way too much time looking at the brochure for the 4955 as a kid wishing we could afford one.    Same reason I would like an 8830 Ford! 

 

[Reichow7120]

6 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

No doubt synchros were more popular but our 4020 was a powershift.  I’ve run into several more 4020s and other 20 series with powershifts.  I’ve even run into a few 40 series with powershifts not counting the 4840.  What’s funny is redpower is the only place on the internet were “powershifts were nonexistent in my area”.  I bet JD built just many powershift 4020s as IH built 806s.

What can I tell you.  Its the truth. I swear to you that if you came to my area i would personally take you to every Deere farm in the area to see if any pre 15 speed powershifts were around. I swear they aren't around here. All quads or syncros. Take the only 4840 in the neighborhood out the only other 8 speed in a Deere is in a 510c backhoe which is a 3020 Transmission and engine in a backhoe. ( dont ask who owns it ?)

[Sterling B.]

On 9/19/2020 at 7:41 PM, axial_al said:

Over the years I owned three.  An 886 and two 1086’s.  They are comfortable, nice handling tractors.  The naysayers bemoan the “backwards” opening doors and “choppy” ride supposedly because of the mid mount seating, but I really liked the visibility it provided.  That is a sharp one!

Owner of this 986 always said the IH doors were the only ones that truly made sense... after all, when you get out, you're typically going to the rear of the tractor. I tend to agree; we can shimmy in and out of the IH cabs much faster than any other, even if the cab is lower and fewer steps. lol

[pete23]

Why all this green talk on here.  I worked at Deere dealer for four years. I found out about a lot of lies that were told to me in the 37 years I worked at IH dealer.  When ever I go a chance I would grab hold of the throttle of an IH 806 diesel just to hear what an engine was supposed to sound like.  Put more money into those SCV's in four years than I installed in IH hydraulic valves in all my years. They were job security.

I have told many people.  Deere made and makes a lot of good tractors and machinery , but I never liked Deere  and never will.  Their better than thou art attitude just turns me off. 

[ky966boy]

14 minutes ago, pete23 said:

Why all this green talk on here.  I worked at Deere dealer for four years. I found out about a lot of lies that were told to me in the 37 years I worked at IH dealer.  When ever I go a chance I would grab hold of the throttle of an IH 806 diesel just to hear what an engine was supposed to sound like.  Put more money into those SCV's in four years than I installed in IH hydraulic valves in all my years. They were job security.

I have told many people.  Deere made and makes a lot of good tractors and machinery , but I never liked Deere  and never will.  Their better than thou art attitude just turns me off. 

That last line says a lot .