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17 minutes ago, RichardDSalyer said:

In my multiple business's, I am the man and I do carry the burdens of the man. I rely heavily on my legal counsel and risk managers, which I pay for professional guidance. 

I will issue no dictates to any of my employees, as of this writing, well over several thousand employees in various occupations, that I will not perform myself.  If and when a vaccine is available, based on readily available advise from professionals which I either employ or seek their services, I will take the vaccine prior to mandating any employee take the vaccine.  Currently I bid on several government contracts and generally am a successful bidder.  In the event the government or entity which which I am dealing requires a mandatory vaccine, and I am not comfortable with the vaccine, I will forgo the bidding process or, in the event I am the successful bidder, will turn down the contract.

Bravo. 

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Only vaccine for me is going to occur on November 3.......

& Don't forget, the injection is to prevent a virus that you have a 80% chance of being asymptomatic from, and a 99.8% chance of surviving.

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30 minutes ago, RichardDSalyer said:

.  If and when a vaccine is available, based on readily available advise from professionals which I either employ or seek their services, I will take the vaccine prior to mandating any employee take the vaccine.  

so, based on your collected advice and your professionals you would in certain circumstances mandate a vaccine?

 

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12 hours ago, cjf711 said:

so, based on your collected advice and your professionals you would in certain circumstances mandate a vaccine?

 

Based on my experience with the vaccine, the advice of my legal counsel and risk managers, counsel with my personal physician and his/her associates, if it was determined to be in the best interest of my employees and business, YES! 

Allow me to be perfectly clear, with certain misgivings, I will and do have faith in the FDA to determine the safety of the vaccine and I have never failed to receive a vaccination based on the recommendation of my physician, who I grew up with.  With that said, I very recently received the first of the two part new pneumonia vaccination with no reservation. I have NO fear of modern medicine.  I do have concerns over Dr. Fauci based on many documents I have read however I too have certain misgivings regarding the author of the documents.

I already am forced, under certain circumstances, to perform mandatory drug testing and would very likely, again based on legal counsel and other professional opinions, view the vaccine inoculation in the same vain as the drug testing policy.  I offer all my employees, free of charge, annual onsite flu shots and would very likely view this in the same manner, albeit the flu shot is voluntary.

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8 hours ago, cjf711 said:

What events and time frame need to take place for you to be sure of safety?

as far as no one being forced to choose between profession and injection, I disagree,  You work for the man, you follow the mans rules.  You dont like it, become the man and carry the burdens of the man.   That just seems to be the way it is, doesnt mean its the right way it should be.   

So a little off topic. You clearly despise the current leader of our country. You support a party which doesn't hide the fact they would like a socialist country. You're willing to do whatever the man tells you no matter what. Which is actually pretty scary. Said party is going on about how if they win they may have to forcibly remove the current occupant cause he wants to be a dictator. Yet everything you preach says you would fall right in line. That's how we wind up with dictators. I'm sure you would only call in line with the man so long as it's not the current one telling you to do so. Cause he bad man. 

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So reading this ive come to the realization that there are some that follow blindly no matter what and assume that everyone has their best interests at heart. I don't believe in conspiracy here. What i do feel is the haste we are doing this is going to have at very least leave a very real risk for repercussions. It may never materialize, and i hope it doesn't. But i feel that at very least the risks involved need to be acknowledged with the accelerated time table and let the person decide if they want it now, or wait and see for proper long term testing. If we are truly going down the force everyone to take it now, no matter what. Then we as humans are truly serfs. We don't even own our own bodies. The government does and in theroy can do whatever they want with us, and that's a truly frightening thought. You have then truly played into every single conspiracy theorist hands with their biggest fear. Try to put that Genie back in the bottle then.

Chf711. Your disdain for what you consider the commonor is truly great, isn't it?  The way you speak of us in essence says we are to stupid to make our minds up on our own bodies. It comes across as "Take the vaccine with not the full amount of testing or else, but by the way if there's a side effect. It sucks to be you and you are out of luck with no recourse"  Heck if we're going down that road. Why didn't we just let the virus go? It's the same principle, only different methods. If a loved one of yours is one that has problems and if the pace had slowed down to reveal the issue and had it corrected. Could you look that loved one in the eye and say "There's nothing we could have done to prevent this" and know that the possibility did exist to stop the harm.

What some of you don't stop to think is all these governments that have taken this course of action are in a bind. We are printing money like crazy. This can't continue. The reason for this accelerated process is this fact. If we're doing shortcuts to do this. There is a damn good reason to wonder if something is overlooked both accidentally or willfully to get it out there no matter what. Is the percentage going to be higher than would be allowed in normal circumstances? No one knows and will probably never know.

Another question. You want this mandated for everyone? You used your example above. Someone could infect you walking into a 711. A common customer even. Not the staff. 

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53 minutes ago, RichardDSalyer said:

Based on my experience with the vaccine, the advice of my legal counsel and risk managers, counsel with my personal physician and his/her associates, if it was determined to be in the best interest of my employees and business, YES! 

Allow me to be perfectly clear, with certain misgivings, I will and do have faith in the FDA to determine the safety of the vaccine and I have never failed to receive a vaccination based on the recommendation of my physician, who I grew up with.  With that said, I very recently received the first of the two part new pneumonia vaccination with no reservation. I have NO fear of modern medicine.  I do have concerns over Dr. Fauci based on many documents I have read however I too have certain misgivings regarding the author of the documents.

I am already am forced, under certain circumstances, to perform mandatory drug testing and would very likely, again based on legal counsel and other professional opinions, view the vaccine inoculation in the same vain as the drug testing policy.  I offer all my employees, free of charge, annual onsite flu shots and would very likely view this in the same manner, albeit the flu shot is voluntary.

agree 100%,   there will always be those out there that the FDA and your additional work to help still wont be enough to prove out merits.   Im not sure what will happen when or if it will come to that point?   But agree with your path.

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33 minutes ago, 1466fan said:

So a little off topic. You clearly despise the current leader of our country. You support a party which doesn't hide the fact they would like a socialist country. You're willing to do whatever the man tells you no matter what. Which is actually pretty scary. Said party is going on about how if they win they may have to forcibly remove the current occupant cause he wants to be a dictator. Yet everything you preach says you would fall right in line. That's how we wind up with dictators. I'm sure you would only call in line with the man so long as it's not the current one telling you to do so. Cause he bad man. 

I like going off topic!  lol

First, I dont despise the current leader of our country,   I do feel he is an embarrassment of how a "man" should conduct them themselves, and also feel he will stab me, you, or America in the back if it puts 5 more dollars in his pocket.   Thats just his DNA.

Secondly, I didnt say I would do whatever the man tells me to do,  I said, in a sense that everyone while working for the man, MUST abide by the mans rules.  You live in my house, you live by MY rules.   Dont like it?  No hard feelings, build your own house.   

C, all this talk of forcible removal is garbage.   I cant imagine a scenario where any President throws a fit and doesnt respect the handing off of power,  at some point it will happen to Trump, either now or the next election,  it wont be an issue.  Hopefully this is the end of this show, but, who knows?

I dont like to fall in line with anyone unless they make me feel somewhat part of the process.   This is the problem with politics in this country,  there is no middle ground and there is only exclusion.  Trump was supposed to be a deal broker, but we are more divided than ever at this point.  Can Joe Biden make deals and get people to the center?   I dont know,   but im ready to try something different.   I just feel so unconnected to Donald Trump as a candidate that i would vote for anyone else.   Except Kanye....  I would vote Trump over Kanye!  

 

 

 

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I cringe when I hear the phrase ‘My employees best interests’ or ‘your best interests’. There is not a person on this earth, that has a clue on what my best interests are. Only you know what’s in your best interests, nobody else does, nobody else can. I know what’s in my best interests, only you know yours, period.

To think otherwise is the epitome of condescension, and arrogance.

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36 minutes ago, Reichow7120 said:

Chf711. Your disdain for what you consider the commonor is truly great, isn't it?  The way you speak of us in essence says we are to stupid to make our minds up on our own bodies. It comes across as "Take the vaccine with not the full amount of testing or else, but by the way if there's a side effect. It sucks to be you and you are out of luck with no recourse"  Heck if we're going down that road. Why didn't we just let the virus go? It's the same principle, only different methods. If a loved one of yours is one that has problems and if the pace had slowed down to reveal the issue and had it corrected. Could you look that loved one in the eye and say "There's nothing we could have done to prevent this" and know that the possibility did exist to stop the harm.

Another question. You want this mandated for everyone? You used your example above. Someone could infect you walking into a 711. A common customer even. Not the staff. 

Im not advocating for a vaccine mandate at all.   Im saying IF there is one, I do not think you can expect a business to continue to allow you to have a choice and will be "forced" to embrace the mandate or look at other work.  Exactly as Richard said.

And yes... I do believe that if there is a mandate and then there are long term problems... yes... it will most likely be sucks for you.   Thats how it goes.   Do i think people should be responsible for damages?  YES!,  do I think they will be held accountable and made to pay?  No.

Final response,  If there is an approved vaccine, if it looks good on what a schmuck like me can dig up as additional findings Im going to take it.  Hopefully we dont have to cross the mandate bridge... but, as a business owner, then there is a scenario that exists where i think it would make sense to mandate it if it checks the boxes as Richard described in greater detail than I did.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Lars (midessa) said:

I cringe when I hear the phrase ‘My employees best interests’ or ‘your best interests’. There is not a person on this earth, that has a clue on what my best interests are. Only you know what’s in your best interests, nobody else does, nobody else can. I know what’s in my best interests, only you know yours, period.

To think otherwise is the epitome of condescension, and arrogance.

It’s called elitism, common trait in every left leaning person, they think they know what’s better for you than you do, and believe you can’t be anything but stupid if you don’t agree with their opinions.

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1 hour ago, barkoguru said:

It’s called elitism, common trait in every left leaning person, they think they know what’s better for you than you do, and believe you can’t be anything but stupid if you don’t agree with their opinions.

I thought this was America.  The all men are equal,the pursuit of happiness. And all the rest of the preamble to the Constitution.

IF this vaccine is the perfect end all and protects you and you take it, what does it matter to you if I take it. YOUR PROTECTED by the wonderful no side effects vaccine.

Unfortunately the older I get the more I don't want others in government deciding anything for me. They do simple little things wrong that 99% of all farm teenagers could do right. Why would you want them more involved.

Politicians mostly come out of government with their pocket full,case in point where did Obama's new found millions come from ( you can start a new topic to inform me). I figure Bill Gates is bugged he is not richer than  George Soros  so cashing in here is his chance, or you pick your reason.If the hand full of richest went to work for the poor down trodden we would have no homeless. As much as they want to "look good" they don't do that much to help the world I see.

 

Not a opposed to vaccine per say but at least test completely. It is about time to think about shingles and pneumonia vaccines in my life.

 

 

Yes Trump is a egotistical jerk but he has appointed judges that don't think you should have to pay a million cause a klutz fell down on your door step. That BS has come from the left leaning side of things. One good reason for me to take the side that says YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for things you do to yourself. And not much of that has come from any for live BS artist politician.

 

So anyway tell me WHY, I should be vaccinated the first possible day. NOT JUST THAT I SHOULD CAUSE YOU think it might be a good idea.

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4 hours ago, IHC_1470 said:

And Mr. Gates wants to lower the world population.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3leko2

More cherry-picked anti-vaccine BS.

Here's Bill Gates without the sensational (W** did he say?) on why better health, saving young lives reduces population growth. We see it in all developed countries. The trend in those countries is to have fewer children because they're going to make it.

Here, let Bill explain it, not some conspiracy theorist:

 

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Who the He// cares what Bill Gates has to say about this subject . 
 

His ( opinions) mean NOTHING to me . 
 

He has No medical background to back up ANY  of his BS what so ever. 
 

NONE!!!!!!! 

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10 hours ago, Lars (midessa) said:

I cringe when I hear the phrase ‘My employees best interests’ or ‘your best interests’. There is not a person on this earth, that has a clue on what my best interests are. Only you know what’s in your best interests, nobody else does, nobody else can. I know what’s in my best interests, only you know yours, period.

To think otherwise is the epitome of condescension, and arrogance.

To the contrary if Lars is attempting to drive home after a party at my home and has had too much alcohol to drink and, after Lars stumbles to his vehicle,  I take his keys to prevent him from driving, I am clearly acting in Lars best interest and Lars is not acting in his best interest.

Several other examples come to mind but I will leave it at this.

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1 hour ago, lorenzo said:

Who the He// cares what Bill Gates has to say about this subject . 
 

His ( opinions) mean NOTHING to me . 
 

He has No medical background to back up ANY  of his BS what so ever. 
 

NONE!!!!!!! 

Agree 100 percent.

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2 hours ago, lorenzo said:

Who the He// cares what Bill Gates has to say about this subject . 
 

His ( opinions) mean NOTHING to me . 
 

He has No medical background to back up ANY  of his BS what so ever. 
 

NONE!!!!!!! 

Certainly agree. However he does have lots of money to throw around and the potential does seem to exist to sway things. Most on here probably do not have any medical back grounds just as Mr. Gates does not. Would any of us even come close to making Ted Talks, talking to congress, etc.? What is the only difference based on qualifications, money. So yes it is BS on his part however it appears he continues to do it. We have all been able to witness over the years how dishonest many in government are, tell us one thing and do just the opposite. Why would Gates be any different? I did not have any trouble hearing what he said about population reduction. Came right out of his mouth. When you contribute almost as much to WHO as the United States it is not very hard to imagine you can change the direction the horse travels if you so desire. 

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/gates-foundation-donations-to-who-nearly-match-those-from-us-government

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New Englander a question for you. Why is so much information being banned from places such as FB, YouTube, and Vimeo? Take this one for instance: https://vimeo.com/448426145. A little digging will produce this. "This is the full-length documentary Shadowgate”, produced by Infowars reporter Millie Weaver. Infowars has confirmed that Weaver has been arrested on Friday, and Alex Jones will make a statement when more details become available. In the meantime, watch this bombshell documentary the Deep State does not want you to see!" Which is the same results some of the whistle blowers have had happen to them. https://www.infowars.com/shadowgate-full-film/    There appears to be much more to draining the swamp then most even begin to think was needed.

I am not saying any of this information is correct but I do have to ask the question why are we not allowed to decide for ourselves? When something is banned for our good than I for one really want to know what it was.

Why if we do not agree with what others think or post do we have to throw in comments such as antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist so on and so on?

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3 hours ago, IHC_1470 said:

New Englander a question for you. Why is so much information being banned from places such as FB, YouTube, and Vimeo? Take this one for instance: https://vimeo.com/448426145. A little digging will produce this. "This is the full-length documentary Shadowgate”, produced by Infowars reporter Millie Weaver. Infowars has confirmed that Weaver has been arrested on Friday, and Alex Jones will make a statement when more details become available. In the meantime, watch this bombshell documentary the Deep State does not want you to see!" Which is the same results some of the whistle blowers have had happen to them. https://www.infowars.com/shadowgate-full-film/    There appears to be much more to draining the swamp then most even begin to think was needed.

I am not saying any of this information is correct but I do have to ask the question why are we not allowed to decide for ourselves? When something is banned for our good than I for one really want to know what it was.

Why if we do not agree with what others think or post do we have to throw in comments such as antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist so on and so on?

Alex Jones? This is all conspiracy theory stuff!

Weaver, 29, has been charged with three felonies — robbery, tampering with evidence, obstructing justice — and domestic violence, according to an indictment filed on July 20 in Portage County Court of Common Pleas.

You're publishing stuff from a far-right conspiracy theorist, that's why I say conspiracy theory. You choose to believe stuff from them, most reasonable people can see  it's a little bit of truth mixed with a lot of BS to make the deep state conspiracy!

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6 hours ago, lorenzo said:

Who the He// cares what Bill Gates has to say about this subject . 
 

His ( opinions) mean NOTHING to me . 
 

He has No medical background to back up ANY  of his BS what so ever. 
 

NONE!!!!!!! 

Bill Gates does not offer a single medical opinion. He does make easy to understand statements on health in general and what that would mean for the people in impoverished countries. You don't have to be a doctor to be able to see that immunization against childhood diseases has greatly increased average lifespan in developed countries. Employing, funding,and working in conjunction with many physicians on the front lines in Africa does let you be their spokesman.

There must be at least 100 conspiracy theories regarding Mr. Gates. Because his foundation is working to save lives he's become the target of some crazy excrement.

Google a list of Bill Gates conspiracy theories. You'll come up with beauties like this:

Some unsubstantiated theories — from Alex Jones — have claimed that Gates and other powerful figures were using the pandemic as an excuse to digitally track the world's population. Gates has also been the target of anti-vaccination activists, who have pledged not to take a coronavirus vaccine if one becomes available.

That's just one, there are many many more.

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3 hours ago, IHC_1470 said:

New Englander a question for you. Why is so much information being banned from places such as FB, YouTube, and Vimeo? Take this one for instance: https://vimeo.com/448426145. A little digging will produce this. "This is the full-length documentary Shadowgate”, produced by Infowars reporter Millie Weaver. Infowars has confirmed that Weaver has been arrested on Friday, and Alex Jones will make a statement when more details become available. In the meantime, watch this bombshell documentary the Deep State does not want you to see!" Which is the same results some of the whistle blowers have had happen to them. https://www.infowars.com/shadowgate-full-film/    There appears to be much more to draining the swamp then most even begin to think was needed.

I am not saying any of this information is correct but I do have to ask the question why are we not allowed to decide for ourselves? When something is banned for our good than I for one really want to know what it was.

Why if we do not agree with what others think or post do we have to throw in comments such as antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist so on and so on?

New Englander you do seem to have problems answering simple questions, however I have not given up hope just yet.

Explain to me why people such as Dr. Judy Mikovits, the front line Drs., Dr. Rashid A. Buttar, Dr. Andrew Moulder all whistle blowers in one way or another; why have they come forth? Show me what they could/have personally gain by doing this. Some of gone to jail, some have ended up in bankruptcy, some have given their lives under very suspicious circumstances, many have lost their license in their chosen fields, yet they come forth. 

To say some one has been "Weaver, 29, has been charged with three felonies — robbery, tampering with evidence, obstructing justice — and domestic violence, according to an indictment filed on July 20 in Portage County Court of Common Pleas." means what? Lots of people have been charged with things. So what!

Seems like there is lots of robbery, tampering with evidence, obstructing justice going on within the governments of the world and maybe it is time to get to the bottom of things. Take some time and really read all of Psalms 2; verses 11:12 can apply to us all even though it was addressed to the rulers of the world. Meditate on verse 1 for a few hours and give me your answer to that question.

Give me a plausible explanation as to why these people are doing this and I might begin to believe your claims of conspiracy theory, until then I will maintain my current opinion. 

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On 8/17/2020 at 8:28 PM, cjf711 said:

  Except Kanye....  I would vote Trump over Kanye!  

 

 

 

 

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