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Just pull the motor & tear it down.   From those pics, clearly need to completely dissassemble the motor and check everything.   You could have a cam problem.   Could be bearings.   Could just be antifreeze locking it (if the head was still on).    Could be a couple gear teeth missing, slipping enough to lock up (my vote).  You risk damaging something not-easily-fixable if you don't do a complete teardown & inspection.   Best case you have to buy some new gaskets, and can reuse most everything else - and then you KNOW what shape the motor is in.   Or you may find something bad enough it will let you know this project isn't worth it.   

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46 minutes ago, mmi said:

isnt this simply the M engine?

still relatively $$ to do it right,just watch the foreign parts

I thought the engine was like a WD9. T4 was like a H. TD6 was like a MD. 

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4 minutes ago, Reichow7120 said:

I thought the engine was like a WD9. T4 was like a H. TD6 was like a MD. 

yes these crawlers have the same engine as wd9, 335 cid. the super wd9, 600, and 650 all have the 350 cid engine which will fit.

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17 hours ago, Farmall 1466 said:

Drop the oil pan to check for metal. If there is a lot, that might indicate a bearing problem.

Pistons don't look bad, how are the sleeves?

There was no metal in the oil when I drained it.

The sleeves are pitted, I am going to replace them since I am this far. The #1 sleeve is loose...if I push forward hard liquid sgueezes out between it and the block.

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25 minutes ago, IH OAK said:

There was no metal in the oil when I drained it.

The sleeves are pitted, I am going to replace them since I am this far. The #1 sleeve is loose...if I push forward hard liquid sgueezes out between it and the block.

Did you do an oil sample to determine no metal in oil?

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27 minutes ago, jass1660 said:

Did you do an oil sample to determine no metal in oil?

No. 

I should have said "no metal pieces visible"

Sorry

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If they are treated correctly with a lot of cool down time, gas start diesel heads are very prion to cracking. So check it closely. Careful with the sleeves as well, SIL was looking for a sleeve for a TD9 and having no luck finding any.

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I have the engine loose and I got it out 1/4 inc but it won't move any more. I unbolted everything and it still won't come. What could be hanging up? I can't lift the front-it won't come up.

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Go over on the construction site, someone is also working on getting an engine out.

DWF

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I got the engine out one inch and now the ring gear is sticking on the bell housing. I can't lift the back high enough. I've tried prying on the flywheel etc. and it doesn't help. I've loostened everything the manual says and also loostened the input shaft from the transmission just in case it was sticking and it didn't help.

Amy suggestions?

Thanks.

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1 hour ago, IH OAK said:

I got the engine out one inch and now the ring gear is sticking on the bell housing. I can't lift the back high enough. I've tried prying on the flywheel etc. and it doesn't help. I've loostened everything the manual says and also loostened the input shaft from the transmission just in case it was sticking and it didn't help.

Amy suggestions?

Thanks.

need to see a picture of what  you are doing. has to be straight forward job so with out eyes on the situation hard to tell. 

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I figure now would be a good time to just go ahead and post all my crappy pictures with commentary because I'm trying to use this thread as sort of a backup record in case I loose my written records (and Mom's gonna make do it anyhow)

 

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Exhaust off

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Rockers off

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Thermostat offSUNP0082.thumb.JPG.36162508c4f42c6f9047372b88dfb7ce.JPG

 

Head off

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Rusty cylinders

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Cleaned up some and turning over (note the burned spots on the head hinting at a bad gasket)

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Pitted piston

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Rad off

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Lifting on engine with a custom built spreader bar

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Cracked alternator mount

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Progress...right side

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...left side

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...top

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...bottom

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...Clutch

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Ring gear...left side

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...right side

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Hope this helps.

Sorry about the blurry/jittery pics...my camera is junk.

Update: I have changed from a chain fall to a cherry picker to make the up/down easier.

Thanks -OAK

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1 hour ago, IH OAK said:

I figure now would be a good time to just go ahead and post all my crappy pictures with commentary because I'm trying to use this thread as sort of a backup record in case I loose my written records (and Mom's gonna make do it anyhow)

 

Intake off.SUNP0064.thumb.JPG.8e682bea57e52cae3b6d265d83cf8bd2.JPG

Exhaust off

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Rockers off

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Thermostat offSUNP0082.thumb.JPG.36162508c4f42c6f9047372b88dfb7ce.JPG

 

Head off

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Rusty cylinders

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Cleaned up some and turning over (note the burned spots on the head hinting at a bad gasket)

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Pitted piston

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Rad off

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Lifting on engine with a custom built spreader bar

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Cracked alternator mount

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Progress...right side

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...left side

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...top

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...bottom

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...Clutch

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Ring gear...left side

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...right side

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Hope this helps.

Sorry about the blurry/jittery pics...my camera is junk.

Update: I have changed from a chain fall to a cherry picker to make the up/down easier.

Thanks -OAK

If I remember you have to support middle of crawler and slide the leaf springs ahead to get engine out. It has been a while but I had one I used to work on.

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1 hour ago, dale560 said:

If I remember you have to support middle of crawler and slide the leaf springs ahead to get engine out. It has been a while but I had one I used to work on.

The manual says to remove the spring support saddle and jack up the front of the crawler leaving the spring on the track frames.

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On 5/27/2021 at 11:56 AM, IH OAK said:

I got the engine out one inch and now the ring gear is sticking on the bell housing. I can't lift the back high enough. I've tried prying on the flywheel etc. and it doesn't help. I've loostened everything the manual says and also loostened the input shaft from the transmission just in case it was sticking and it didn't help.

Amy suggestions?

Thanks.

need to see a picture of what  you are doing. has to be straight forward job so with out eyes on the situation hard to tell. 

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4 minutes ago, rustred said:
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need to see a picture of what  you are doing. has to be straight forward job so with out eyes on the situation hard to tell. 

What pictures do you need?

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dont think the spring is your problem at the moment. looks like you have that engine belly wrapped.  but anyhow i have found you usually need the front a bit higher when sliding them out. have you stuck a 5 ft bar in there and tryed to pry it forward as  they can get stuck and at times just needs an extra shove. even the clutch shaft could be rusty. i would have made a plate to fit over the head studs and do it that way. are you just on the rafters there? as you need the hoist to roll ahead also.

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dont think the spring is your problem at the moment. looks like you have that engine belly wrapped.  but anyhow i have found you usually need the front a bit higher when sliding them out. have you stuck a 5 ft bar in there and tryed to pry it forward as  they can get stuck and at times just needs an extra shove. even the clutch shaft could be rusty. i would have made a plate to fit over the head studs and do it that way. are you just on the rafters there? as you need the hoist to roll ahead also.

3 minutes ago, IH OAK said:

What pictures do you need?

 

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1 minute ago, rustred said:

dont think the spring is your problem at the moment. looks like you have that engine belly wrapped.  but anyhow i have found you usually need the front a bit higher when sliding them out. have you stuck a 5 ft bar in there and tryed to pry it forward as  they can get stuck and at times just needs an extra shove. even the clutch shaft could be rusty. i would have made a plate to fit over the head studs and do it that way. are you just on the rafters there? as you need the hoist to roll ahead also.

 

dont know how that got there, site was doing goofy things. 

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2 minutes ago, rustred said:

dont think the spring is your problem at the moment. looks like you have that engine belly wrapped.  but anyhow i have found you usually need the front a bit higher when sliding them out. have you stuck a 5 ft bar in there and tryed to pry it forward as  they can get stuck and at times just needs an extra shove. even the clutch shaft could be rusty. i would have made a plate to fit over the head studs and do it that way. are you just on the rafters there? as you need the hoist to roll ahead also.

The input shaft is completely  free of the flywheel. I can't get a picture but I think I trust my fingers...the ring gear is catching. Most of the pics were before the switch to the rolling cherry picker/hoist.

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IH Oak go to the construction equipment board on this forum, there is a guy working on a TD-9 doing the same thing as you, at least read it and there are pictures.

DWF

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3 minutes ago, DWF said:

IH Oak go to the construction equipment board on this forum, there is a guy working on a TD-9 doing the same thing as you, at least read it and there are pictures.

DWF

Thanks. I read it a couple of days ago. it's a later engine. 

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