mike newman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Jeeper...some of the old tram ''trails'' in various parts of NZ.....also have been turned / upgraded, obviously after many years of neglect.....to easy walking trails.....Very popular in the summer months Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 ,,,few more....the first picture 'caption' shows a Fordson tractor.....To me the radiator cap assembly looks wrong...and the air cleaner set up looks IHC...as does the 'bonnet''......?? 1957 picture second is obviously Fordson...which subsequently , ran to its destruction...no date...and not surprising considering the load behind a small ''tractor '' third picture is a Johnson 'A" lokey...(made in Melbourne, Australia )...after a fatal derailment , January, 1911...this but a few miles from where lived.. last picture depicts a similiar incident...another fatal runaway...this time on a steep incline in the North Island....1910 Mike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 Ouch It is not necessarily the object you hit when leave the track that gets you its the tons of freight behind you that does the most damage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukeko Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 2:31 AM, mike newman said: ,,,few more....the first picture 'caption' shows a Fordson tractor.....To me the radiator cap assembly looks wrong...and the air cleaner set up looks IHC...as does the 'bonnet''......?? 1957 picture second is obviously Fordson...which subsequently , ran to its destruction...no date...and not surprising considering the load behind a small ''tractor '' third picture is a Johnson 'A" lokey...(made in Melbourne, Australia )...after a fatal derailment , January, 1911...this but a few miles from where lived.. last picture depicts a similiar incident...another fatal runaway...this time on a steep incline in the North Island....1910 Mike Mike ,definitely not a Fordson.More like Mcormick possibly ?.Fuel tank is shorter ,filler cap on Fordsons not that far back,aircleaner wrong as you pointed out.Radiater is fluted at top ,not fordson,steering wheel much higher and set back.Gear shifter in centre;Fordson,s are on left side forward,also lettering on rad iator is not Fordson.Theirs was smaller and was farily well in the centre.The side covers look very Mccormick ? Apart from that ,great pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pukeko said: Mike ,definitely not a Fordson.More like Mcormick possibly ?.Fuel tank is shorter ,filler cap on Fordsons not that far back,aircleaner wrong as you pointed out.Radiater is fluted at top ,not fordson,steering wheel much higher and set back.Gear shifter in centre;Fordson,s are on left side forward,also lettering on rad iator is not Fordson.Theirs was smaller and was farily well in the centre.The side covers look very Mccormick ? Apart from that ,great pics. yeah...as said, the picture ''caption'' suggests Fordson...but it just didn't look correct !! 10/20.....I reckon There are some fantastic pictures in this book...including IH stuff ''modified '' to suit the various situations That third picture, where the ''lokey'' (the word "lokey'' is used extensively , in the book...) has crashed into that White Pine stump......was in the Opouri Valley....near the Rai Valley....I have done a lot of work up there...never knew about that tram way for the logging..no one ever mentioned it !! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Quote : a missjudgement by the brake man, on a wet day, let this one get away... Crew jumped to safety.. ...... no date second picture shows ''Spragging ''...which evidently was the time worn method of ''braking '' the unit. That photo, according to the caption, is the only known photo of that system..Spoked wheels were required ....and the train / lokey had to be moving. A ''sprag'' was an iron bar, which the brake man, poked into the wheel spokes..prior to any descent , The bar would jam on the chassis of the wagon....(Note middle left of photo....showing two ''sprags'' jammed in the left wheels....) Good 'hand / eye cordination was required.....a ''failure '' to place the sprag quickly and correctly....resulted in either a broken wrist...or...the sprag could fly out...thus requiring more frantic attempts to lock a wheel.....1930 photo and the 'lokey'' was a 22 ton NZ made one... From 1888 to 1893 , there were fifteen different Engineering Foundry's, in New Zealand making log hauling 'lokey's" There was a lot of virgin bush , on difficult terrain , to tempt the ''loggers'' of the day Last photo is a NZ made Steam Winch Hauler...with a rated Winch pull of ten tons..... 20 Horse Power, operating at 150 lbs pressure.....overall weight 12 tons.................. photo circa 1900 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 ....the International powered 'lokey'' pulling coal from the "Charming Creek '' coal mine... The 'lokey" pulled out four loads of coal, per day, and one load of logs circa 1954... West Coast .... South Island . The IH has to be a W9 power plant, I believe..... ...the little 0-4-0T, rigid geared' lokey' was built in New Zealand in 1883....picture taken in 1893, North Island.. Mike 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 ....seems like I posted that second picture, some several weeks gone.........apologies....\ Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twolines Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 This whole post is just tops! I could go through and like every pic but im lazy today...lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Harvesting pulp wood in Magalloway Maine 1938 Lombard pulling a train and the unload afterwards And some You Tube of a survivor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Taking a Steam Lombard out for a spin it didn't look like the power steering was working 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augercreek Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 I've studied this stuff for years and just love it. Built a model railroad featuring logging back in the 70s and am now going to dispose of the stuff before it's too late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.c.farmerboy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 still a few Lombard loggers left here in Maine many still run, there is a pair of steam locomotives up near Allagash that are setting where they were last used in the early 1900's I see a lot of the photos in this thread are from Maine I gave sledgehammer a book about logging in this area back in the late 1800's that has some of the same photos I spent a few years in the late 70's working in logging camps in northern Maine It was good paying work and I put enough money away in one winter to buy my first logging truck An old Maine guide that I worked with as a young boy told a story of when he worked in the camps during the depression They didn't get paid till mud season in them days and when he came out of the woods that spring he stopped at a store now he'd been in the woods for the winter his wool cloths covered in pitch and sawdust smelling pretty nasty and asked the store owner if he had any crackers and cheese, the man replied that he did for paying costumers having just been paid for a winters work Stacy pulled a wad of cash out of his pocket and said have you got change for a hundred , the store keeper said I'll have to run over to the bank and have them make change, Stacy says you better hurry or I may buy this place out from under you!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.c.farmerboy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 In the video that Jeeper shared you will notice that the firebox stack is just behind the men doing the steering, this is an early model Lombard. the problem was that sparks would fall on the men and some got burned pretty good and none of the men wanted the job of steering so latter models had a canopy added over the steering crew later Lombard added a steering cylinder the very first models had a team of horses in front to lead and steer but the horses would get spooked by the steam and that was a mess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.c.farmerboy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that Lombard was the first man to build a set of working tracks to be used on a machine even though Holt and Best clam this, Up in Hinckley Maine at the school of technology the first set that Lombard built used to set in front of the school but when they got Wokeness they got rid of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.c.farmerboy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 On 12/10/2021 at 5:49 PM, mike newman said: ....seems like I posted that second picture, some several weeks gone.........apologies....\ Mike Mike, you have always provided some very nice photos and NZ is a pretty country as well as your lifetime of stories, If you can ever find the time you should sit down and wright a book I would buy the first copy Thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, m.c.farmerboy said: I see a lot of the photos in this thread are from Maine I gave sledgehammer a book about logging in this area back in the late 1800's that has some of the same photos I figured you would have some good logging stories being a native. Working in the industry you have heard some of the stories from those involved or passed downed from prior generations thank you for sharing. I was looking for local downeast historic photos to decorate my camp with and I ran across some good archives with these old photos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 The gas powered Lombards had a Wisconsin Model PT Engine. 6 Cylinder (cast in pairs) 5-3/4" bore x 7" stroke 1091 CID. (17.9 Liters) 4 Main bearings (2-5/8") 4 bolt rods bronze backed babbit bearings 100% Full pressure lubrication the oil pump is actually two separate pumps in one - Service & Scavenge. Here is a link to a thread on the restoration of one https://www.smokstak.com/forum/threads/wisconsin-t-head-restoration-log.83497/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 Some early Lombard footage a 15 ton CS88 or Contractor Special and a Model T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 Some Steam Lombard Footage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 A restored unit out for some exercise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 They worked these tracked haulers hard look at the length of this train This one operated around Churchill Lake in Maine 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 Couple of Mack Bs working hard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 15 hours ago, jeeper61 said: Couple of Mack Bs working hard This may be a dumb question but we have no lumber industry near by. What would those shorter lengths of logs have been destined to be used for? Fence posts? They look too short for that? Or something totally different? Pulp for paper maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said: Pulp for paper maybe? Yes the short 4 footers are Pulp wood for the paper industry. Before mechanized harvesting the average Joe harvested pulp wood on his property in the winter They used used a horse drawn Sleigh to take them out to a winter road road were they were picked up by the paper company. This photo is of that exchange 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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