M35A2 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Did Lombard have any viable competition back when they were building the steam log haulers? It seems like once the internal combustion engine came into common use, then everyone was copying their half-track truck design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Minded Farmer Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Dasnake said: There was a thread here a while ago, had a few of these shots........... The last pic in the pile looks like a Pacific. Wonder if it is. IH had their hand in that company for a while. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Minded Farmer Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, mike newman said: AMF Mike...you are well informed..... The Bush Tramway Club is located in the Waikato area, North Island.....they have some track on the ground...and have four ''tram way '' engines in working order...including the 1650.... Mike Have you made it up there to check it out? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Absent Minded Farmer said: Have you made it up there to check it out? Mike No, Mike.......I have relatives up in the top of the North Island....we were due to drive up there about the time this covid BS arrived......which put the skids under so many plans ...for so many folk...Means a ferry crossing etc ...no big deal, but the show has been shut down at various times ...as it is right now..... The short answer is "no" !! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasnake Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 46 minutes ago, mike newman said: No, Mike.......I have relatives up in the top of the North Island....we were due to drive up there about the time this covid BS arrived......which put the skids under so many plans ...for so many folk...Means a ferry crossing etc ...no big deal, but the show has been shut down at various times ...as it is right now..... The short answer is "no" !! Mike Is there a ferry from NZ to Australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 9 hours ago, mike newman said: Yeah... OK jeeper...perhaps it as well to ignore that jolly "Antipodean "" humour........ Sorry Mike I couldn't control myself There was a rail line put in a remote area of the Maine north woods to haul out to a river before the Great Depression. Everything was brought in on the winter roads no idea how they got the locomotives there. It only operated for a few years the remnants are still there. I will have to look for the photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawleigh99 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 The Shay's were similar to the Climax but had two vertical cylinders on each side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard_P Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Rawleigh99 said: The Shay's were similar to the Climax but had two vertical cylinders on each side. Most Shays were 3 vertical cylinders, only the very smallest were 2. There was a third design known as the Heisler which had 2 vertical cylinders, one on each side angled in toward a drive shaft running under the center of the loco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Howard_P said: Most Shays were 3 vertical cylinders, only the very smallest were 2. There was a third design known as the Heisler which had 2 vertical cylinders, one on each side angled in toward a drive shaft running under the center of the loco. Couple of "'Heisler'' engines...the first photo taken in 1922..in Taupo..middle of the North Island......one of four working for the "'Taupo Totara Timber Co "" Second picture from the West Coast ..(The ""Wet" Coast...)..of the South Island...Engine built in 1924....Photo taken in 1954......The tram line closed in 1958.... There you go, Howard.... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIHTECH Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Art From Coleman said: The Cass Scenic Railroad in West Virginia: Been to Cass several times over the years and rode the train to top. It's a great ride and they will take you on a machine shop tour 1/2 hour before train leaves if you want to. Quite interesting as they have a wheel lathe in shop, not to mention rebuild their engines in-house. They had one Shay in that boiler was marked out in grids. A check mark in grids that passed test, X in other grids that failed. There's a big farm close to Cass I've been to on service calls several times over the years. Could hear the train whistle from where we was in field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Downs Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 My F-20 and my H have Heisler overdrives, wonder if it’s the same company that made the locomotives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 ...a six ''horse power'' team...photographed in 1904.....North Island. The chaos of land clearing for farming is very evident , in this photo....Sawmillers took the large trees...the new farmers had to fell and burn / clean up up the subsequent mess ,,,a little New Zealand built 'lokey''...again North Island, photo cica 1901 Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 photo of the ""Bosses jigger''......a 1926 convertible Chevrolet..on a bush tram line in the late twenties... ,,t'other is 'raising incline '' around Lake Brunner, South Island A hauler is positioned at the ridge top, and the logs are hauled up ,one at a time.....photo takn in the late thirties.. Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/15/2021 at 6:11 PM, Dasnake said: Is there a ferry from NZ to Australia? Yes.....but not something that is scheduled specifically ....I understand you can roll your Aussie ute onto a ferry...and head over to NZ..(1200 miles )..but again, as I understand...nothing like the three and a half hour trip..on the ''roll on/roll off '' ferries between North and South Islands, where rail freight goes straight in...shunted in at either port...then dragged out at t'other end....same with class 8 trucks and trailers...roll in with everything from live stock to bum fodder ...for either Island...plus cars etc travelling between Islands...and regular 'foot traffic'' passengers.. I used to pull "frozen "' up to Auckland every second week...for several months..... Mike 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Beale Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 1:52 AM, Rawleigh99 said: The Shay's were similar to the Climax but had two vertical cylinders on each side. According to the railway encyclopaedia left over from our boys the Shays had the boiler offset and the cylinders and drive train down the other side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasnake Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, mike newman said: Yes.....but not something that is scheduled specifically ....I understand you can roll your Aussie ute onto a ferry...and head over to NZ..(1200 miles )..but again, as I understand...nothing like the three and a half hour trip..on the ''roll on/roll off '' ferries between North and South Islands, where rail freight goes straight in...shunted in at either port...then dragged out at t'other end....same with class 8 trucks and trailers...roll in with everything from live stock to bum fodder ...for either Island...plus cars etc travelling between Islands...and regular 'foot traffic'' passengers.. I used to pull "frozen "' up to Auckland every second week...for several months..... Mike 1200 miles is quite a trip, 2 days ballpark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 20 hours ago, Dasnake said: 1200 miles is quite a trip, 2 days ballpark? I imagine.....guess the ship would do around 20 knots in the hour?? Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
td9bcf180 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I have to jump in on this subject in regard to lumber and railroad barons. From this part of the globe, J.R. Booth was known as one of the two largest lumber barons in North America in the 1800's- the other was Frederick Weyerhauser of NW US fame. The link to the article says that in 1892 Booth had the largest lumber complex in the world. Eastern Canadian White Pine was the species of timber most prevalent. He died in 1925, age 98. Take a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rudolphus_Booth 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 5:44 PM, mike newman said: .Sawmillers took the large trees...the new farmers had to fell and burn / clean up up the subsequent mess Even worse now they come in with a feller buncher and leave a big mess behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 6:02 PM, mike newman said: ""Bosses jigger''......a 1926 convertible Chevrolet..on a bush tram line in the late twenties... That sure beats the brake man's ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1586 Jeff Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/14/2021 at 10:28 PM, M35A2 said: Did Lombard have any viable competition back when they were building the steam log haulers? It seems like once the internal combustion engine came into common use, then everyone was copying their half-track truck design. Linn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 .......picture of the 19 man bush crew heading out first thing in the morning.....1908 photo...and a great assortment of hats !!! ....''parbuckling'' logs onto the 'wagon' system using snatch block and ropes etc ...with a small winch, which is not visible....1940 photo ...and 'hand loading '' off the skids onto the wagon....hard work...even with those long cant hooks...photo 1910 Mike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 In the early days of pulp wood harvesting in Maine the problem was getting the pulp wood from the north-flowing Allagash River watershed into the east-flowing Penobscot River watershed headed to the Great Northern Paper Company paper mill in Millinocket. They accomplished 3 ways over the years before the Golden Road was built, All the material for these projects had to be brought in on the winter roads by horse drawn sleds Lombard haulers and during the summer by side wheel steam boats The Eagle Lake Tramway - 1902 - 1909 Remnants of the tram and Steam Power Plant Steam Lombards replaced the Tramway 1910 Eagle Lake Railroad replaced the Lombards 1926-1933 Cars being loaded from the float on Eagle Lake Cars unloading on Umbazooksus Lake Remnants of the locomotives Some links to the history https://mooseheadhistory.org/2018/11/13/odyssey-of-the-eagle-lake-tramway/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Lake_Tramway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Lake_and_West_Branch_Railroad http://www.netrails.com/tramway/ https://www.maine.gov/dacf/parks/discover_history_explore_nature/history/allagash/index.shtml 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Jeeper...some of the old tram ''trails'' in various parts of NZ.....also have been turned / upgraded, obviously after many years of neglect.....to easy walking trails.....Very popular in the summer months Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike newman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 ,,,few more....the first picture 'caption' shows a Fordson tractor.....To me the radiator cap assembly looks wrong...and the air cleaner set up looks IHC...as does the 'bonnet''......?? 1957 picture second is obviously Fordson...which subsequently , ran to its destruction...no date...and not surprising considering the load behind a small ''tractor '' third picture is a Johnson 'A" lokey...(made in Melbourne, Australia )...after a fatal derailment , January, 1911...this but a few miles from where lived.. last picture depicts a similiar incident...another fatal runaway...this time on a steep incline in the North Island....1910 Mike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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