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Does anyone on this forum have experience with either an International 384 or 385 tractor?        What were the differences between the two models other than the different engines? 

384 had the BD-154 four cylinder engine and the 385 had the D-155 three cylinder engine.  Did they use the same chassis?  Same wheels and attachments?  

Was the 385 a genuine improvement on the earlier 384?

Regards from Michael H. in Australia😎

P.S. There was also a Japanese built 383 tractor that was sold as a replacement for 384 tractor in some markets. I believe it was significantly different from the British built models.

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Two totally different tractors. I think the only part that would fit between the two would be the tires and wheels. 

384 was the largest / last of the the old B-414 Bradford lineage.

385 was the smallest of the much newer "world wide" Doncaster lineage....built to cover no 384 being made.

We had both back to back new. Traded a 384 on a 385 around merger, so International Harvester 385, not Case International 385.

385 was much nicer tractor than a 384 (IPTO, better hyd, nicer seat, stronger brakes, 8x4 syncro trans with "shuttle" and no levers to climb over, bigger fuel tank)....but had less power, the D155 3cyl didn't have the same power as the BD-154 4cyl.  The 385 got traded on a 485 since the 385 wasn't doing the same work the 384 did easily. 

I'd like to have a 384 again for nostalgia. 

385 was the 384 replacement for our market, never saw a Kimco 383. 

 

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We had B414,434 and 384 Bradford tractors from 1962 thru 1991 with IH 1501 and then IH 1550 loader on the 384 and these tractor were used to feed silage to dairy cows every day.
Then in 1991 my brother replaced the 384 with a Doncaster CIH 495 with 2250 Quick Attach loader. The 495 front end was not heavy enough for the 2250 loader and my brother bought a CIH 3230 and we moved the loader from 495 to 3230 a much better fit. He has five Doncaster built tractors now.

I agree with 495man, you require the 485 or 495 to replace the 384.

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The 384 was only sold in Australia for a limited period. It replaced the locally produced 444 which was based on the British 444 diesel ("364"). The Australian 444 was built up to 1976 and the the 384 was briefly imported before being replaced by the Kimco 383. The Japanese tractor had an unusual problem, the paintwork didn't cope well with our hot Australian sun, every 383 or 483 i have seen has been been repainted!  The 385 tractors I have seen here have all been badged as "Case International" suggesting they came later.

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I’ve only seen one international 385, But I have seen a couple of the other 85 series with just international on them, So that means international had the 85 series out before the merger.
Here is a 385 that I just seen this spring

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this is the 85 series from the 1985 case IH buyers guide

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and here is the 85 series from the 1986 buyers guide

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So the reason there is an International Harvester 385 is the same reason there is an International Harvester 485 585 685 785 885 985.

The home UK market went to 85 series when the North America market went to the solid red 84 series with H shift.  That's when the UK had the 385 added to the line, and they couldn't call it a 384 in North America like they did between an H shift 484 and Inline shift 484. 

I still have the operators manual for our 385..... 

It's an IH book and lists 385 484 584 684 784 884 Hydro 84  on it 🙂  

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13 hours ago, Qc.Can.IH man said:

this is the 85 series from the 1985 case IH buyers guide

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and here is the 85 series from the 1986 buyers guide

 

Note they are still 84 series 🙂  North American SIMS cab with AC too on the 684

UK market had that grill and paint for a short time, but 85 series.

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17 hours ago, 495man said:

Note they are still 84 series 🙂  North American SIMS cab with AC too on the 684

UK market had that grill and paint for a short time, but 85 series.

I wonder if there was ever any red and black 84 series tractors?

 I have seen a few of them, and I often wonder if the owners painted them.

 There’s a 584 for sale on Kijiji right now that is painted red and black.

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10 hours ago, Qc.Can.IH man said:

I wonder if there was ever any red and black 84 series tractors?

 I have seen a few of them, and I often wonder if the owners painted them.

 There’s a 584 for sale on Kijiji right now that is painted red and black.

 

There were factory black and red 84 series, just like the ones shown in your buyers guide. I doubt there were many sold since they were a North American model. I've never seen one in person, but did see some over the years online, pretty sure original ones, not a user repaint. 

They were not made very long before the "Case" grill got put on them and dubbed the "85 series" 

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