gonzo 1066 581 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, 1466fan said: Like i said earlier. I don't have a rebel flag. My neighbors do. So what. The same people that don't like the rebel flag don't like the president either. So now am I not supposed to wear a shirt or put a campaign sign in my yard cause someone might get their feelings hurt. What needs to happen is people need to grow a pair and quit being "offended" by everything they don't agree with. None of these people were slaves,nor were their parents or their grandparents just like none of mine were slave owners. Time to get over it. It's part of our history and we can't change that. Trying to erase it isn't a good idea either. As I said "Empathy for other people" Its easy to be egocentric and just tell everyone to F--- off if you dont agree with ME.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TomH 1,571 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Would one be offended if a neighbor flew a Nazi Swastika flag? 23 minutes ago, gonzo 1066 said: As I said "Empathy for other people" The Swastika and the Confederate flag represent horrific times in the culture of certain people. To blacks a Confederate flag may be like showing a Swastika to those of Jewish faith . I had a Confederate flag on the wall of my College dorm room, never thought of it as racist. Just thought it was cool. I never would have a Nazi flag, but I don't think I understood what a Confederate flag meant to some. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonzo 1066 581 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 When I lived in Wisconsin my next door neighbor had a Hitler tribute park-monument behind his barn. He served as a SS officer during WW II. He often told me what a great man Hitler was,how he fixed all of the financial woes of Germany and that the holocaust was just a made up story by the news media. If you google Ted Junker you will be able to read about my neighbor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Junker The memorial was not far from large Jewish communities in northern Illinois and southern Wisconsin and caused quite a stir. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TP from Central PA 3,163 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 I personally don't like the rebel flag, but it is part of this country whether you like it or not. I had a neighbor here who fought in WWII, and he had a big Nazi flag he brought home with him, had it on the wall in the living room. Incidently his neighbor who I may of spoken about on here, was actually in a Concentration Camp. They were good friends and me being a kid, I didn't quite understand it and I asked the one with the Nazi flag one time about why he had that up. He said, "That GD thing sure looks better on that cruddy wall than on top a official Nazi government building where I got it from...............Just like that flag, we took that ******* down!" For him it was a part of history, and we can't forget history or it gets repeated" 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcb 220 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I'd like to see real cars race. Particularly road courses. I lost interest in NASCAR when they turned into carbon copies of one another. I liked seeing brands compete based on their own engineering prowess. Nothing wrong with a melting pot, as long as it gets mixed. A melting pot with all the ingredients still separate indicates the pot wasn't working. Unfortunately too many people are profiting off the divide for it to end any time soon. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott! 135 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 This guy doesn't seem to care. 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1466fan 1,207 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, gonzo 1066 said: As I said "Empathy for other people" Its easy to be egocentric and just tell everyone to F--- off if you dont agree with ME.. So these people have been on the tv burning the American flag so I shouldn't have one of those either since it hurts their feelings. Better get rid of those pulling tractors too. They blow too much smoke for the greenies. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonzo 1066 581 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 hours ago, 1466fan said: So these people have been on the tv burning the American flag so I shouldn't have one of those either since it hurts their feelings. Better get rid of those pulling tractors too. They blow too much smoke for the greenies. Do you think burning old glory is on the same level as displaying the confederate flag? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eason 292 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 19 hours ago, 1466fan said: Maybe the stupidest thing with all this going on. The confederates were technically traitors to the U.S. correct? So the people who have taken the neighborhood in Seattle are in favor of removing all these "racist" symbols from the past aren't they basically the same thing by doing what they're doing. The war was started about states rights. Lincoln signed a bill which taxed Southern businesses 47% which caused a lot of businesses to go insolvent. The constitution at that time stated that states had a right to succeed from the union if they felt their rights were infringed upon. The South were not traitors they were just exercising their right to succeed. Look up the Morrell Act. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichardDSalyer 839 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 59 minutes ago, Eason said: The war was started about states rights. Lincoln signed a bill which taxed Southern businesses 47% which caused a lot of businesses to go insolvent. The constitution at that time stated that states had a right to succeed from the union if they felt their rights were infringed upon. The South were not traitors they were just exercising their right to succeed. Look up the Morrell Act. Trigger Events for Civil War Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichardDSalyer 839 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Eason said: The war was started about states rights. Lincoln signed a bill which taxed Southern businesses 47% which caused a lot of businesses to go insolvent. The constitution at that time stated that states had a right to succeed from the union if they felt their rights were infringed upon. The South were not traitors they were just exercising their right to succeed. Look up the Morrell Act. Lincoln did not sign the "bill"'. The Morrill Tariff was signed by President James Buchanan. Prior the start of the Civil War, several states had already seceded from the Union. Morrill Act - 1862 Passed on July 2, 1862, this act made it possible for new western states to establish colleges for their citizens. The new land-grant institutions, which emphasized agriculture and mechanic arts, opened opportunities to thousands of farmers and working people previously excluded from higher education. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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jeeper61 1,158 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, gonzo 1066 said: Do you think burning old glory is on the same level as displaying the confederate flag? IMO burning old glory is a crime and displaying the confederate flag is a covered by the 1st 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichardDSalyer 839 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, jeeper61 said: IMO burning old glory is a crime and displaying the confederate flag is a covered by the 1st You are correct sir. 18 U.S. Code § 700.Desecration of the flag of the United States; penalties Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1466fan 1,207 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, gonzo 1066 said: Do you think burning old glory is on the same level as displaying the confederate flag? No. As others have stated one is a against the law and the other is protected by the constitution. I don't have a problem with some one flying one. I just don't personally put one up. If I had a general Lee it would definitely have one on it though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1466fan 1,207 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Eason said: The war was started about states rights. Lincoln signed a bill which taxed Southern businesses 47% which caused a lot of businesses to go insolvent. The constitution at that time stated that states had a right to succeed from the union if they felt their rights were infringed upon. The South were not traitors they were just exercising their right to succeed. Look up the Morrell Act. I agree. I guess thats why a lot of people call it the war of northern aggression. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SDman 646 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 To me, comparing Nascar to car racing is like comparing WWE to wrestling. Its a business built on hype..and a lot of it is fake as far as I'm concerned. Too much $$$, and not enough of the real thing. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TomH 1,571 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, SDman said: To me, comparing Nascar to car racing is like comparing WWE to wrestling. Its a business built on hype..and a lot of it is fake as far as I'm concerned. Too much $$$, and not enough of the real thing. I like to watch Formula 1. It would be nice to see some more American teams . Since F1 has been acquired by an American company maybe it could get a foothold here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lorenzo 13,962 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 18 hours ago, Scott! said: This guy doesn't seem to care. 😂 Chances are high that he doesn’t know the connection . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dasnake 2,759 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, lorenzo said: Chances are high that he doesn’t know the connection . I think you said a mouthful Lorenzo, I see it up here with everyday stuff, the wars, the depression, general knowledge facts, people either aren’t interested or it’s not on a social platform so its, so what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Delta88 28 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 'And once the Union Army came south it was an invasion of the lands worked by subsistence farmers. Prior to the war Natchez, MS was one of the richest cities in the then US. However a majority of the planters were from the NE part of the country who came south to make their fortune. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atilathehun99 1,178 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 7:55 PM, TP from Central PA said: I personally don't like the rebel flag, but it is part of this country whether you like it or not. I had a neighbor here who fought in WWII, and he had a big Nazi flag he brought home with him, had it on the wall in the living room. Incidently his neighbor who I may of spoken about on here, was actually in a Concentration Camp. They were good friends and me being a kid, I didn't quite understand it and I asked the one with the Nazi flag one time about why he had that up. He said, "That GD thing sure looks better on that cruddy wall than on top a official Nazi government building where I got it from...............Just like that flag, we took that ******* down!" For him it was a part of history, and we can't forget history or it gets repeated" My mother worked at the hospital in the next larger town. She had made some connections and in the winters when I about 9 through 11 I'd go to work with her on Saturdays and hang at the rock shop in that town. Run as a side business by a George ( a Rockwell employee) and Hartger (town's HS chemistry teacher). George was super cool, Hartger much less so. The shop was on the river and had a main floor at street level. Beside was a set of stairs that led down a level to a room underneath the main floor. One day George said "I want to show you something." We went down and he unlocked the door and we went in. Like a lot of places like this it was cluttered with things everywhere. He led me to a cardboard drum and said. "Bill I'm going to show you something that should never have probably never been brought into this country." He opened it and pulled out a PRISTINE Waffen-SS officer's uniform. Complete....Hat, boots, pants, the Great Coat. All coal black, the brim of the hat and boots gloss, and the SS armband on the sleeve of the coat. I have to admit it was striking, imposing, and in one sense beautiful. Even though I a very young boy I also knew it represented the evil that can exist in this world. I was young and didn't ask much and George never told me where the uniform came from but I do know he served in Europe during WW II. I've always assumed he brought it home as a war prize. Later in life I've also wondered what became of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ihrondiesel 1,285 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Eason said: The war was started about states rights. Lincoln signed a bill which taxed Southern businesses 47% which caused a lot of businesses to go insolvent. The constitution at that time stated that states had a right to succeed from the union if they felt their rights were infringed upon. The South were not traitors they were just exercising their right to succeed. Look up the Morrell Act. Succeed, secede Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TP from Central PA 3,163 Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Atilathehun99 said: My mother worked at the hospital in the next larger town. She had made some connections and in the winters when I about 9 through 11 I'd go to work with her on Saturdays and hang at the rock shop in that town. Run as a side business by a George ( a Rockwell employee) and Hartger (town's HS chemistry teacher). George was super cool, Hartger much less so. The shop was on the river and had a main floor at street level. Beside was a set of stairs that led down a level to a room underneath the main floor. One day George said "I want to show you something." We went down and he unlocked the door and we went in. Like a lot of places like this it was cluttered with things everywhere. He led me to a cardboard drum and said. "Bill I'm going to show you something that should never have probably never been brought into this country." He opened it and pulled out a PRISTINE Waffen-SS officer's uniform. Complete....Hat, boots, pants, the Great Coat. All coal black, the brim of the hat and boots gloss, and the SS armband on the sleeve of the coat. I have to admit it was striking, imposing, and in one sense beautiful. Even though I a very young boy I also knew it represented the evil that can exist in this world. I was young and didn't ask much and George never told me where the uniform came from but I do know he served in Europe during WW II. I've always assumed he brought it home as a war prize. Later in life I've also wondered what became of it. Yeah, wish I would have asked more questions, but I was raised that at a young age you didn't ask much, you did mostly listening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lightninboy 447 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Yeah, I know the Civil War wasn't really about slavery and Lincoln was actually anti-American according to the militia/patriots/conspiracy theorists. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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