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1 hour ago, cjf711 said:

And replaced with what? The general population isn’t full of political savants.   

My neighbor could do better than 95% in the swamp. Doesn't matter what neighbor either, north south east or west .

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1 hour ago, 1480x3 said:

NAILED IT   I have many times heard a congressman say " voting that way would be political suicide" or "if I vote for that I won't be reelected".  Remove that thought from their mind so they vote for what they think is RIGHT. Take the reelection thought out of the equation. I have thought this was on congressmens minds for decades, now they openly talk about it in the media.

They ain't supposed to vote for what they think is right. They are supposed to vote on everything except something like the impeachment by what their constituents want. If 51% support/oppose something regardless of which party came up with it then they are supposed to vote with that 51%. On things like impeachment? They are supposed to vote by rule of LAW not party. Every representative in both houses and both parties should 1st determine if the proposed action is constitutional or not. Auto vote against if unconstitutional. Then they are supposed to vote the will of the people the represent. 

 

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1 hour ago, Worth Co. farmer said:

Educate people on how our gov't system works.....girlfriend's kids( high school and college age) immediately after the House voted for articles of impeachment acted as if Trump was already impeached. Nephew Daniel says "Oh yea , Trump is impeached". I informed them that the Senate has to vote for impeachment, he's not removed yet. They're in school and didn't know that. Where did they get such ideas?

He was impeached which means he was then sent to the Senate for trial on the articles of impeachment. He wasn’t found “guilty” of either charge. 

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YES YES YES

Term limits for all elected officials.

Then we need stop the life time bureaucrats  no one should be able to work for the government longer than 10 years.

The last ten years of a persons working career could be spent in the government we can then look at their work history and accomplishments and select the best.   

We need to stop the pending federal/state/city pension crisis that will further burden the tax payer.

Why should the government employees get pensions funded by the tax payer when the majority of the population does not get a pension.

 

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15 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

 

 

15 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

We need to stop the pending federal/state/city pension crisis that will further burden the tax payer.

 

 

15 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

Why should the government employees get pensions funded by the tax payer when the majority of the population does not get a pension.

 

This is a big part of what is bankrupting the state I live in

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Term limits are in place by the vote as stated before.  But also stated correctly is the fact that it is not working.  Term limits also mean lame duck and they should vote correctly, but could also just vote for crap to enrich themselves on the way out.   It is a quandary but at this stage I think it is the only viable answer.  I say eliminate ALL LOBBYIST in washington period.  If You have been elected you can NEVER work as a lobbyist or in govt again, period.  

The convention of states is the only option I see we have.  The only objection people seem to have with it is the "runaway" convention.  Would never happen but that is another thread. 

So My answer is yes. 

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Take away their high pay, healthcare and pension. Let them live like the rest of us and we will see who really cares. Probably no one would be left.

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3 hours ago, Reichow7120 said:

Are we talking just state legislators or at a National level as well?

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4 hours ago, from H to 80 said:

Three terms in the house and two terms in the senate and a 5 year ban on becoming a lobbyist. Any more time than that and corruption sets in. These elected positions were supposed to by a public service job not a career.

Agree 100% on the lobbyist thing, would take it a step or two farther. How about a lifetime ban or make lobbying completely illegal? That would change things a bunch.

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1 hour ago, oldtanker said:

They ain't supposed to vote for what they think is right. They are supposed to vote on everything except something like the impeachment by what their constituents want. If 51% support/oppose something regardless of which party came up with it then they are supposed to vote with that 51%. On things like impeachment? They are supposed to vote by rule of LAW not party. Every representative in both houses and both parties should 1st determine if the proposed action is constitutional or not. Auto vote against if unconstitutional. Then they are supposed to vote the will of the people the represent. 

 

Rick 

You are correct. The problem however is that as a common voting citizen I send my representative to look out for my countries best interest, which may or may not be my personnel best interest. We back at home hear that a bill passed or failed that will ___________ .  What we don't always hear is that there were many other things tossed in the bill, maybe good / maybe not so good. So I want somebody there the say " This is exactly what my constituents sent me here to do, but the rest of this bill is junk" .  So I would hope they would vote no.  They seem to lean to the side to being popular back home. Term limits would remove that thought process. Maybe a compromise could look like 2 consecutive terms and you out but elgible again after sitting out 3 terms. that way 2 reps could not just rotate in and out.        Edit  My personal best interest in most cases is my countries as well, sometimes it creates some personal discomfort. Anything worth having involves some sacrifice.

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2 minutes ago, 1480x3 said:

You are correct. The problem however is that as a common voting citizen I send my representative to look out for my countries best interest, which may or may not be my personnel best interest. We back at home hear that a bill passed or failed that will ___________ .  What we don't always hear is that there were many other things tossed in the bill, maybe good / maybe not so good. So I want somebody there the say " This is exactly what my constituents sent me here to do, but the rest of this bill is junk" .  So I would hope they would vote no.  They seem to lean to the side to being popular back home. Term limits would remove that thought process. Maybe a compromise could look like 2 consecutive terms and you out but elgible again after sitting out 3 terms. that way 2 reps could not just rotate in and out.

Oh I agree with term limits, I think 2. One in office and one in prison.

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4 minutes ago, oldtanker said:

Oh I agree with term limits, I think 2. One in office and one in prison.

Rick

Sometimes when we are debating 1 or 2 as possible options I will toss ZERO into the mix.   :lol:

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10 minutes ago, 1480x3 said:

You are correct. The problem however is that as a common voting citizen I send my representative to look out for my countries best interest, which may or may not be my personnel best interest. We back at home hear that a bill passed or failed that will ___________ .  What we don't always hear is that there were many other things tossed in the bill, maybe good / maybe not so good. So I want somebody there the say " This is exactly what my constituents sent me here to do, but the rest of this bill is junk" .  So I would hope they would vote no.  They seem to lean to the side to being popular back home. Term limits would remove that thought process. Maybe a compromise could look like 2 consecutive terms and you out but elgible again after sitting out 3 terms. that way 2 reps could not just rotate in and out.        Edit  My personal best interest in most cases is my countries as well, sometimes it creates some personal discomfort. Anything worth having involves some sacrifice.

The problem with sending them to look out for the best interest of the country often results in them doing things you or I may not think as being good for the country. ANd in fact those things could be bad for the country.

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I'm not sure about term limits but I certainly think that legislators should NOT exempt themselves from every law they pass and that their benefits should be exactly the same as those of the rest of us. Perhaps they should all have a minimum age of 40 so that they have time to experience the real world.

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Educated voters are the answer. First thing they need to do is learn to think for themselves. Second how to ask more than one question (that makes the politician think). Third,ignore polls, pollsters,focus groups and lobbyist's. Keep those people guessing. The election of President Trump like him or not reflected the beginning of that. That is why he scares the status quo so much. President Obamas defeat of Mrs. Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primaries also reflected that.

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5 hours ago, 560Dennis said:

Tiny Bloomberg got his bubbies to eliminate it so he could be mayor of New York for more than two terms why ?

EXACTLY! With term limits it limits their income potential. These politicians are the biggest scammers ever seen in this country. And that goes for both parties. We need a Convention of States to get these people out and the country back into the hands of people who care about it’s future, not their own. 

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Unfortunatly,  most politicians believe job #1 is to get reelected. They will lie, steal and cheat to get there, and remain there. Term limits would go a long way to cure that belief, and the problems that come with it.

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4 minutes ago, exSW said:

Educated voters are the answer. First thing they need to do is learn to think for themselves. Second how to ask more than one question (that makes the politician think). Third,ignore polls, pollsters,focus groups and lobbyist's. Keep those people guessing. The election of President Trump like him or not reflected the beginning of that. That is why he scares the status quo so much. President Obamas defeat of Mrs. Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primaries also reflected that.

But, how do you educate the voters? The left has circumvented education and the news media in this country to the point they’ve essentially shutdown the conservative voice. 
How many conservative speakers are allowed to speak on ANY college campus without threat of violence or liberal snowflakes shouting down these speakers. Freedom of speech has been silenced on these campuses by the left. And we all know how the media views conservatives. What’s a conservative supposed to do to get their opinions out? 

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17 minutes ago, New Englander said:

I'm not sure about term limits but I certainly think that legislators should NOT exempt themselves from every law they pass and that their benefits should be exactly the same as those of the rest of us. Perhaps they should all have a minimum age of 40 so that they have time to experience the real world.

What we could use is a certain percentage of these elected positions needs to be from rural America. How many are from the inner cities and have no clue about the workings of rural America?

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2 minutes ago, Ihfan4life said:

But, how do you educate the voters? The left has circumvented education and the news media in this country to the point they’ve essentially shutdown the conservative voice. 
How many conservative speakers are allowed to speak on ANY college campus without threat of violence or liberal snowflakes shouting down these speakers. Freedom of speech has been silenced on these campuses by the left. And we all know how the media views conservatives. What’s a conservative supposed to do to get their opinions out? 

Quit looking for others to make your opinion for you. 

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1 minute ago, Ihfan4life said:

What we could use is a certain percentage of these elected positions needs to be from rural America. How many are from the inner cities and have no clue about the workings of rural America?

It's called the Senate. The House is based on census data to layout congressional districts(and gerrymandered to death).

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Just now, exSW said:

Quit looking for others to make your opinion for you. 

This is your education today! People aren’t taught to be critical thinkers. Take Climate change for example- it’s settled science, nothing to teach here! 

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The fact that this term limit is SO totally over-due is the fact so many politicians are millionaires. How on earth do you amass millions with a $174,000 annual salary?  I personally think two terms is plenty, one as a senator, one in the house.  That's 8 years total,  and you could run for President or VP if you want to.

If you REALLY want to test your blood pressure medicine, do a search on Pelosi's arrangements for commuting from coast to coast.  What makes her think she's so entitled?  If Trump REALLY wanted to get even with her he should take her jet away.

The abuses of government offices go all the way to the very top and to the very bottom.

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3 minutes ago, exSW said:

It's called the Senate. The House is based on census data to layout congressional districts(and gerrymandered to death).

SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS- Socialist from Brooklyn- moved to Vt. Becomes MAYOR of Burlington- largest city in Vt. Where progressive policies are the norm. 
How was he from the rural countryside??

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If you want to keep the dirt out of the house, you close the window.

Educating the voting public is a great idea but too many don't/won't care what's best for the country, only themselves. 

Why do you think so much money is spent to get elected? Take away the financial incentive to holding public office? I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

Seems to me term limits is the best answer. 

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