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38 minutes ago, Sask466 said:

Well in my opinion this board has plenty of space for dreamers and young guys.  The overall positive energy and helpfulness of RedPower is what keeps me coming back, and probably partly why it still exists.

 

Keep the fun discussion coming!  We need it right now!

X 2, nothing wrong with dreaming and having discussion!

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On 12/26/2019 at 3:13 AM, R Pope said:

I still have the engine and trans. It's a ten speed with top gear blocked out. The engine was overhauled when we got the tractor. If you want to come to Saskatchewan and get it, it'll be reasonably priced. I'd like to see somebody make some use of it.

Is block removable? I mean could it be a 10 spd again? That was a 4786 right?

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I was thinking that it would be hard to find a bell housing for the DV-800 and a 12 spd. 

What kind of transfer case should I use? Does the 10 spd have one with it?

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How did they block out one speed? Isn't a 5x2? Did something slide in when you put it in hi?

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You just have to grind out a spot on one of the shift rails to get 10th gear to work. I did it last spring to our 4586. I`ve been told some 45`s had 10th and some didn't. I think that if the tractor had the lower fatter tires  it would have had 10th ours has 18.4-38s so it didn't have 10th. It will go about 23mph now 

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On 5/21/2020 at 12:08 AM, caseih2388 said:

You just have to grind out a spot on one of the shift rails to get 10th gear to work. I did it last spring to our 4586. I`ve been told some 45`s had 10th and some didn't. I think that if the tractor had the lower fatter tires  it would have had 10th ours has 18.4-38s so it didn't have 10th. It will go about 23mph now 

How could that knock out one speed Isn't it a 5x2?

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1 hour ago, jass1660 said:

10th was probably gear ratio to make an overdrive so 9th was direct drive.

10th was not overdrive.  No overdrive on those old transmissions.  I have a ratio chart.  It's in the SM.  I do not have it handy. 

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3 hours ago, IH OAK said:

How could that knock out one speed Isn't it a 5x2?

I'm not really interested in getting into this thread again, but I do get entertainment out of reading this. 

But since I'm here....

No, it is not a "5x2". It's a very odd split range trans. 

It's easy to put 10 gears back in it.  Our 4586 has all 10.  It's fast too.  26mph at WOT according to the dash.  Feels at least that fast.  We haven't checked it against a GPS. 

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1 hour ago, J-Mech said:

I'm not really interested in getting into this thread again, but I do get entertainment out of reading this. 

But since I'm here....

No, it is not a "5x2". It's a very odd split range trans. 

It's easy to put 10 gears back in it.  Our 4586 has all 10.  It's fast too.  26mph at WOT according to the dash.  Feels at least that fast.  We haven't checked it against a GPS. 

You mean it's a 10x1??

That would be crazy to shift!??

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I filched this from your thread J-Mech ;)

I am sort of confused.???

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Also was first gone or Tenth? I am thinking tenth.

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1 hour ago, J-Mech said:

No, it is not a "5x2". It's a very odd split range trans. 

It's easy to put 10 gears back in it.  Our 4586 has all 10.  It's fast too.  26mph at WOT according to the dash.  Feels at least that fast.  We haven't checked it against a GPS. 

What I mean is my Dad's Zetor is a 5 with hi/lo, that is what I mean by 5x2. Is that incorrect??

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5x2 is generally accepted as a strait 5 speed and a 2 speed rear end. Standard truck trans have lo and high splitters. Your row through 4 or 5 gears, flip to high and row again. Thus making it a 9 or 10 speed. Blocking out top gear in the high range would give you 9.

I too am curious how and what gear was locked out

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8 hours ago, IH OAK said:

You mean it's a 10x1??

That would be crazy to shift!??

No such thing as a 10X1...... that would be a 10 speed powershift I suppose.  

 

8 hours ago, IH OAK said:

I filched this from your thread J-Mech ;)

I am sort of confused.???

cab.jpg

That picture is from a 4386.  They had a different transmission than a 45/4786, so different shift pattern. 

 

8 hours ago, IH OAK said:

Also was first gone or Tenth? I am thinking tenth.

10

 

8 hours ago, IH OAK said:

What I mean is my Dad's Zetor is a 5 with hi/lo, that is what I mean by 5x2. Is that incorrect??

Incorrect.  A 5X2 would be a five speed gearbox with a two speed axle.  What you are referring to is a hi/lo 5 speed or a ten speed transmission. 

 

2 hours ago, brahamfireman said:

5x2 is generally accepted as a strait 5 speed and a 2 speed rear end. Standard truck trans have lo and high splitters. Your row through 4 or 5 gears, flip to high and row again. Thus making it a 9 or 10 speed. Blocking out top gear in the high range would give you 9.

I too am curious how and what gear was locked out

Correct.  

Only on the Spicer trans used in the 45/4786's it was an odd duck.  The splitter was in front of the transmission instead of in the rear, so it changed torque up front.  So the shift was literally 1L, 1H, 2L, 2H, 3L, 3H....all the way up to give 10 gears.  Not shift through all five, then go up on the splitter and back through again.  

Tenth gear was locked out later on in production.  Absolutely no idea why other than to limit road speed for safety maybe???  Our 45 has all ten and it is FAST on the road.  Most times you cannot road it wide open.  The tools usually want to start whipping and it gets crazy pretty fast.  One of our field cultivators is pretty balanced on tongue weight and pulls straight on the road.  With it on I have seen 26 or 27 MPH on the dash.  Feels like it too. We think the speedo is a bit on the slow side in the field TBH. 

It would have been done in the shift rails in the top of the cover.  I don't know if any of you guys have ever rebuilt a standard trans completely or not, and had the shift rails out of the cover or not, but there is a system of check balls and rods and springs that only allow one rail at a time to be moved so that it can't get into multiple gears at once.  When they locked out 10th all they had to do was eliminate a groove in the outside shift rail so that when it was in high range, the rail that shifted between 9/10, which was right next to it, could not be put in 10th gear.  So, yeah.... cutting a groove in that rail would solve that problem right quick.  Or simply just getting the rail with both grooves, which is likely the only one available anyway. 

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On 5/23/2020 at 11:57 PM, J-Mech said:

Only on the Spicer trans used in the 45/4786's it was an odd duck.  The splitter was in front of the transmission instead of in the rear, so it changed torque up front.  So the shift was literally 1L, 1H, 2L, 2H, 3L, 3H....all the way up to give 10 gears.  Not shift through all five, then go up on the splitter and back through again.  

That would be sort of nasty to shift in a truck.

Being I would be putting it in a 2 ton could I shift it like 1H, 2H, 3H, etc.?

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IL, 1H, 2L, 2H.....you're essentially talking about a Super 10 road ranger tranny.  (yes, you can skip shift under light loads).  The Super 10 is a great transmission, easy to shift, don't have to row as much, easy to skip every other gear.....UNLESS you can't switch your mind from the regular pattern.   Some guys love them, some hate them.  It just shifts different...timing is slightly off.   If you want one of those trannys with all 10 speeds, just go to a local truck junkyard...likely mate right up!

I had two trucks, a '95 White/Volvo with a S-10, and a '97 White/Volvo with a regular 9 speed.   Sitting in the truck they look similar.   You had to REALLY think which one you were in, and not start flipping the high/ low lever at the wrong time!

The S-10, with a light load, I'd often start in 3rd, and go 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 10th.   3 shifter moves, one lever flip.   You didn't want to go 8-10, too big a gap.

The tractor pictured above was my 4386....that was just a standard 10 speed.    I wouldn't have wanted to drive it 26mph on the road, 20 was plenty fast, they could start shaking.   Pulled a tow between with dolly wheels for a while, if the dollys started whipping you could find yourself in the other lane real quick!   One time there was a little ice on the road....glad there was a ditch to catch the tires....  A 4x4 doesn't steer like a MFD or 2wd....fast can be scary!

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I just found out about the Travelette last night. I was looking for Travelalls for my  sister and I found one. I am SO excited! I may be switching to a Diesel conversion Travelette. I found one with "Ddt 360" (claimed) guy said it was making 450 Hp. The guy wants $8500. Said it's got a new interior, Dana 60(?) front end, new susp., Allison Auto??

Here's some pics.

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Love the way they look!!!!

Was there any connection with Ford?

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7 minutes ago, Jeff-C-IL said:

That silver/chrome truck above is a work of art.   Do you have a year on that?   Gorgeous.

'66

I love it to.

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I had also never heard of the Ford Carryall Before. I had been wondering if there was such a thing as a dent-sides Ford Excursion. I just figured that the only way to get one was to mix a crew-cab and a Bronco.

Here are some pics.

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They look SO Awesome!

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43 minutes ago, IH OAK said:

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Was there any connection with Ford?

Is there a Cummins emblem on the side of this? It is in California.

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On 5/27/2020 at 4:07 PM, Jeff-C-IL said:

The Super 10 is a great transmission,

Agreed. Have one behind a N-14 Red Top, comes in a close second behind a 13sp IMHO.

Depends on where you live I guess. In my hills the 13 - 12 shift fits better than the 10 - 9 rpm drop.

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