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Thanks for the video.

I have not yet seen it yet but plan on doing so in September. Only problems is it will be home in Cheyenne and not under pressure.

Coal would have been neat but I am just very happy it is out for display, coal or not.

A tremendous piece of machinery that proves the American people can build anything when they put their mind to it.

Thanks Union Pacific for bringing her back to life.

Update:

I made it to The Steam Shop in Cheyenne in mid-September.

I found the stack sticking out the west side and X4014 was under pressure. I snuck up and petted it.

They started to back it up and I figured they were putting it away. WRONG.

They backed it out the east door and was in full view outside with about 6 cars tied behind.

People started to appear out of nowhere.

That steam whistle is almost eerie.

It sat there for about 15 minutes. Then the black smoke stated to pour out of her.

The whistle blew and she headed west of the Steam Shop

I was just hoping to see it and I did so under pressure, moving, with the whistle blowing.

What a piece of luck.

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1 hour ago, 1967806 said:

Thats a good picture.

UP puts out a calendar each year with publicly submitted pics on it---send them a copy, you might get there.

Details at www.up.com

Mike

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2 hours ago, Diesel Doctor said:

Thanks for the video.

I have not yet seen it yet but plan on doing so in September. Only problems is it will be home in Cheyenne and not under pressure.

Coal would have been neat but I am just very happy it is out for display, coal or not.

A tremendous piece of machinery that proves the American people can build anything when they put their mind to it.

Thanks Union Pacific for bringing her back to life.

And to think something of this magnitude could actually be built without any emails or computers and leave the factory without the check engine light being on.

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the diesel is being used for different things, just in case the 4014 breaks down,dynamic braking, and supply power for the passenger cars.

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1 hour ago, MAGNUM said:

the diesel is being used for different things, just in case the 4014 breaks down,dynamic braking, and supply power for the passenger cars.

Do they not have an HEP car?  I thought they had one, but maybe they don't and need the Diesel?

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Looks like it`s only coming as far east as Chicago. 

Would like to see/hear her but maybe I`ll just go visit exSW at work and he can make me some noise.

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We left work early and saw 4014 at the Wheatland Ia stop. About half hr east of home. Saw it pull in then looked at it for a while. Then we left early and got out ahead of it before it left. We then saw it fly by us about 40mph at Mechanicsville. (Home) 

I followed along the restoration via the facebook page. Im also a steam enthusiast so seeing something that large is possibly a once in a lifetime. 

Its only finacially correct to convert it to oil. Ya nay sayers think it should be coal yet. But where along the route will you get coal every 300 miles or abouts? At least the didnt have to shovel the whole time, as it was fed with a mechaincal auger. Oil can be trucked in pretty easy yet. 

Also, say something castastrophic happens with the boiler when the need to remove the fire, you cant just shut the fire off with coal. With oil, you just turn the valve off. Coal fired excursion/ small track engines are getting fewer and farther between. For inaurance and availability reasons. 

The diesel behind, is it really needed? Ya probably not. But if something happens, the 4014 is gonna be stranded on the mainline tieing up valuable trackage time. Also with using the diesel, the original style brake shoes of the 4014 wont wear nearly as fast as by itself. Keeps them from changing costly shoes along the trip. 

Its quite the restoration feat to overhaul a steam locomotive, make it move under its own power for the first time and 4 days later leave on an excursion from Cheyenne Wy to Ogden Utah. Thats saying something. 

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1 hour ago, MTO said:

Looks like it`s only coming as far east as Chicago. 

Would like to see/hear her but maybe I`ll just go visit exSW at work and he can make me some noise.

UP tracks only go as far East as Chicago. Any farther you have to get permission to run on competing Railroads. You the have to pay the pieper. 

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10 hours ago, TP from Central PA said:

Do they not have an HEP car?  I thought they had one, but maybe they don't and need the Diesel?

Dont know what HEP means but there was another car behind the diesel that had a fairly good size sounding engine running it the top of it behind a bunch of ventilated shields. I just figured that was to generate power for the passenger cars?

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10 hours ago, TP from Central PA said:

Do they not have an HEP car?  I thought they had one, but maybe they don't and need the Diesel?

It crosses the screen at 4:33

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On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 1:56 PM, MTO said:

Looks like it`s only coming as far east as Chicago. 

Would like to see/hear her but maybe I`ll just go visit exSW at work and he can make me some noise.

You won't see steam on our rail. Ever.

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What a majestic beast !!! Steam power facinates me .

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36 minutes ago, exSW said:

You won't see steam on our rail. Ever.

Thought you worked for NS?  

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48 minutes ago, TP from Central PA said:

Thought you worked for NS?  

Nope. Chicken Sh!T Express. Work on NS property quite a bit. Trackage rights.

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:48 AM, 1967806 said:

And to think something of this magnitude could actually be built without any emails or computers and leave the factory without the check engine light being on.

Slide rules really do rule

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48 minutes ago, exSW said:

Nope. Chicken Sh!T Express. Work on NS property quite a bit. Trackage rights.

Thought it was Charlie's Sugar Extra?

You are right though, won't ever be steam there.......atleast as long as Hunter's Cronies are in the house.  The local short line guys sure were holding their breath when he tried the hostile take over of NS and the shareholders told him to pound sand, they could breathe again.  

 

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Saw that this topic came back up to the top, so I figured I'd share a picture I took when I saw Big Boy at Rochelle, IL on 7/30. Crowd was huge, so I never got right up next to it, but it was very impressive nonetheless. Funny part is, the day before this, I flew home from a week long vacation in San Diego... the highlight of that trip to me was seeing the USS Midway, which is now a floating museum there. Completed in 1944, the Midway is a contemporary of Big Boy, both are a testament to a great time in American history.

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latest ad   for the toy.....IIRC these are not made in compton anymore

 

Athearn #G04014 4-8-8-4 w/DCC & Sound, UP/Promontory #4014

 
 
Athearn #G04014  4-8-8-4 w/DCC & Sound, UP/Promontory #4014
  • Manufacture: Athearn
  • Category: Steam Locomotive
  • Number: G04014
  • Scale: HO
  • Price: $654.48
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UP #4014 EXCURSION FEATURES:
Excursion Version with oil tender from UP 3985 per prototype configuration
Reporting marks only on rear tender face per prototype 2019 configuration
In service appearance
Commemortive box
Chalk marking “Big Boy” decal included (not applied).
UP #4014 PROMONTORY FEATURES:
Great Race to Promontory version with oil tender from UP 3985 per prototype configuration
Reporting marks only on rear tender face per prototype 2019 configuration
Freshly shopped shiny appearance
Commemortive box
Chalk marking “Big Boy” factory applied to smoke box face, per prototype during summer 2019. This marking is a subtle nod to history and ALCO legend. See details on the last page of this order sheet.
Big Boy No. 4014 was delivered to Union Pacific in December 1941. The locomotive was retired in December 1961, having traveled 1,031,205 miles in its 20 years in service. Union Pacific reacquired No. 4014 from the RailGiants Museum in Pomona, California, in 2013, and relocated it back to Cheyenne to begin a multi-year restoration process. In 2019 UP #4014 was brought back to life. It had been almost 60 years and multiple generations since the last time a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy operated under it’s own power.

SURVIVING 4-8-8-4 BIG BOY PRESERVATION INFO:
4004: Holliday Park
4005: Forney Transportation Museum
4006: Museum of Transportation
4012: Steamtown National Historic Site
4017: National Railroad Museum
4018: Museum of the American Railroad
4023: Kenefick Park

PRESERVATION VERSION FEATURES:
As delivered from ALCO in service 1940s era
Coal Tender
Twenty-five Big Boys were built exclusively for Union Pacific Railroad, the first of which was delivered in 1941. The locomotives were 132 feet long and weighed 1.2 million pounds. Because of their great length, the frames of the Big Boys were “hinged,” or articulated, to allow them to negotiate curves. They had a 4-8-8-4 wheel arrangement, which meant they had four wheels on the leading set of “pilot” wheels which guided the engine, eight drivers, another set of eight drivers, and four wheels following which supported the rear of the locomotive. The massive engines normally operated between Ogden, Utah, and Cheyenne, Wyo.

There are seven Big Boys on public display in various cities around the country. They can be found in St. Louis, Missouri; Dallas, Texas; Omaha, Nebraska; Denver, Colorado; Scranton, Pennsylvania; Green Bay, Wisconsin; and Cheyenne, Wyoming.

Source Union Pacific Railroad

WARTIME ERA VERSION FEATURES:
As delivered from ALCO in service 1940s era
Coal Tender

LOCOMOTIVE FEATURES:
Fully-assembled and ready-to-run
DCC-ready features Quick Plug™ plug-and-play technology with 21-pin NEM connector
Scaled from prototype resources including drawings, field measurements, photographs, and more
Accurately-painted and –printed paint schemes
Full cab interior with boiler backhead with printed gauges
Individually applied piping, valves, generators, etc.
Operating eccentric cranks on both sides operating in correct direction
Headlights and indicator number boxes (number boards) with directional light change
Five pole, skewed armature motor with dual flywheels for smooth operation
Pivoting front and rear engines for negotiating 22” radius curves
See-through running boards
Smoke unit ready with no soldering required
See through cab windows
McHenry scale knuckle couplers - Kadee compatible
Genesis driveline with 5-pole skew wound motor, precision machined flywheels, and multi-link drivetrain
Wheels with RP25 contours operate on all popular brands of track
LED Lighting for realistic appearance
Heavy die-cast frame for greater traction and more pulling power
Packaging securely holds for the model for safe storage

SOUND EQUPPED MODELS ALSO FEATURE
Onboard DCC decoder with SoundTraxx Tsunami2 sound
Sound units operate in both DC and DCC
Chuff, whistle, and bell sounds work in DC
All functions NMRA compatible in DCC mode
Precision slow speed control
Many functions can be altered via Configuration Value (CV) changes
CV chart included in the box

PROTOTYPE SPECIFIC INFORMATION
The Union Pacific’s Overland Route, the eastern portion of the Transcontinental Railroad, was built west from Omaha, across Nebraska and Wyoming, and on into Utah. The steepest grade was the eastbound climb on the Echo Canyon line through the Wahsatch Mountains just east of Ogden, Utah. Forty 4-6-6-4 Challenger locomotives were acquired in 1936 and 1937 to move fast freight over the grades in Utah and Wyoming. They were rated at 4,290 tons across Wyoming, but were limited to 3,100 tons eastbound through Echo Canyon.

Union Pacific wanted something that could make the same speeds as the Challengers but could carry the entire 4,290-ton train over the Wahsatch Mountains without a helper. The easiest solution was to scale up the successful Challenger design by adding another pair of drivers to each half of the locomotive thus making a 4-8-8-4.

In 1941 UP placed an order for twenty 4-8-8-4’s, numbered 4000 through 4019, with the American Locomotive Works. Each engine cost $265,174. According to legend an unidentified machinist at the ALCO plant is responsible for the name “Big Boy”, having scrawled the name in chalk on a partially completed locomotive.

The Big Boys were exactly what the railroad wanted. They were coal burners with 68-inch drivers, 135,375 pounds of tractive effort and 6,000 horsepower. They started service on the line from Ogden to Green River, Wyoming and their operating range soon increased to cover the line all the way to Cheyenne.

Traffic during WWII resulted in five more Big Boys, numbered 4020 through 4024, being built in 1944. These versions were slightly heavier than the original order due to wartime materials restrictions.Despite the influx of diesel locomotives following WWII, the Big Boys and Challengers remained the prime power on the Overland Route. They also saw service as helpers, leading gas turbines and diesels over Sherman Hill. They remained active through the 1950’s and weren’t retired until the early 1960’s. By then the first twenty units had been run well over one million miles.
 
 
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Back to the coal Vs. oil thing....

I read in a History of the U.P., that the Big Boys were converted to oil early on, because land owners along the right of way got tired of putting out the fires they were starting quite often..

Mike

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On 11/7/2019 at 7:28 PM, mikem said:

Back to the coal Vs. oil thing....

I read in a History of the U.P., that the Big Boys were converted to oil early on, because land owners along the right of way got tired of putting out the fires they were starting quite often..

Mike

I'm not sure you read that correctly.  From wikipedia:The Big Boy locomotives had large grates to burn the low-quality bituminous coal supplied by Union Pacific-owned mines in Wyoming.....As an experiment, No. 4005 was converted to burn oil.[19] Unlike a similar effort with the Challengers, the conversion failed due to uneven heating in the Big Boy's large, single-burner firebox.[19] The locomotive was converted back to coal firing in 1948.[16][19] By contrast, No. 4014 was successfully converted to oil during its restoration.

Howard

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