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My young assistant has been here a year this month.

He was young/green/lost when I asked his parents if they permitted me to hire him part-time.

He is very overweight and does nothing/little to address that.

He has no strength/stamina and I always end up doing the "tough" pulls that he can`t.

When he says "I can`t" do something, I rip him with "Don`t tell me you can`t, but tell me you`re having trouble."

I know I`m not easy to please/work for.

He comes every day I ask him too.

We addressed the cell phone issue.

He also suffers with bowel issues IE a LOT of time in the BR.

I pay him hourly  from time he comes to when he leaves and to this point, I never say anything about his time in the head.

But it is getting worse so yesterday I kept track of his BR time.

He was here from 10 am to 3 pm and spent a half hour eating and an hour and 15 minutes total on the throne.

Now, it`s none of my business to pry into his health issues/doctor visits etc but I need to address this somehow as when I need him NOW, he`s on the throne.

He also has lost his "keep moving"  between given duties/sweeping/cleaning/ emptying garbage cans which you all know is a non-stop duty in a shop.

I think he has lost what ambitions he had at one time.

Today he texted me he`d be late as his mom took him to open a checking account.

Now, this just pi$$ed me off.

He starts at 10 and usually leaves at 3 or 4.

I think I would have planned a bank trip before or after work.

I waited till 11ish and told him not to come today. 

He makes minimum wage and I have told him, his pay increases will be completely up to his performance. 

I thought I could instill some ambition/sense of urgency into him in a year but we`re going backwards imo.

 

 

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Hopefully not a lost cause.   I have always wondered how some people are just incapable of holding a job and then I met some people similar to what you describe. Something is, I’ll use the word missing.  Not sure what, sense of urgency, concept of time, satisfaction from accomplishing something...anything.

tell him to watch the “make your bed every morning” speech that the 4 star general gave.  Basically he is saying to take small steps in order to show up for life.

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His relative works for me. 

I am not sure how to get some motivated. Is he on his phone while on the porcelain throne? 

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Hes on the phone in the br.  100% guarantee.  Bet if you looked at social media stuff his replies etc correspond with br.  The issue is at home.  His mom obviously dont reapect his or your time.  Just say you dont need him anymore.  Here you dont need a reason.. best is to say thanks and havd check b/c they use reasons in court.  We've had this type.  It is frankly and sadly a waste of time.

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I know few, if any, want to do this miserable job and I like the kid.

I am , believe it or not, short on patience but I have been silent a year which surprises even me!

Used to have a few "adult" mags in the BR so I removed them but as a customer told me yesterday, if he has a phone porn is at hand. 

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Bitty/Troy, I honestly never even THOUGHT of that!

I have no internet on my phone so never thought. 

You guys may have nailed it!

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That could be it , unfortunately .

Does he have a "medical bowel issue" or he just "does" and is always going to the head? How old is the young one , I mean teen age? Just thinking about the excuses that are made to get away from work/supervision for a bit. Possibly for something habit forming.

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28 minutes ago, TomH said:

How old is the young one , I mean teen age?

Age probably has nothing to do with it. My wife has 2 nephews in their early 30's and both are lazy worthless SOB's. The longest they will keep a job is maybe a month, usually less. One had a job at a convenience store from 3am to 8am..... 5 whole hours a day.  Worked there less than two weeks.  Excuse was "l just couldn't handle the hours and the stress." But he can handle laying in bed all day long playing games on his d^^#+ phone.

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sadly, this is what our workforce has become. This is exactly why I will never be able to hire anyone. I am terrible when it comes to BS like this. Raising the minimum wage only creates more of this kind of lazy behavior. Sad, it really is! Can't get to work before 10? All the stuff I could have used help with is already done by then, by me!

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Remove the door one night, see if he really has to go.  If it's a severe enough case of discomfort the door thing won't bother him!

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Does heknow tou look at a this forum? Who you are on this forum?

If so he's read this 🙈🙈

 

I think for his own safety  that it would be a marvellous idea for the phone to be put in a specified place. And can only be used in said mobile phone zone.

 

Then you will see what happens to his toilet habit........

 

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I'm 32 years old and it makes me sick that I'm stuck in the millennial generation but people my age down there are more worthless than useful. Most my age or younger that have a job could care less about keeping it and the one's that don't have a job won't. Like others have said he's checking social media while on the can probably till his legs go to sleep.

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16 minutes ago, Pid 1831 said:

Does heknow tou look at a this forum? Who you are on this forum?

If so he's read this 🙈🙈

 

I think for his own safety  that it would be a marvellous idea for the phone to be put in a specified place. And can only be used in said mobile phone zone.

 

Then you will see what happens to his toilet habit........

 

Dunno but if so, I have spoken truthfully about it.

 

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11 minutes ago, 88power said:

I'm 32 years old and it makes me sick that I'm stuck in the millennial generation but people my age down there are more worthless than useful. Most my age or younger that have a job could care less about keeping it and the one's that don't have a job won't. Like others have said he's checking social media while on the can probably till his legs go to sleep.

Wanna job in PA? 

Rent to own?;)

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As im sitting here on my break reading this typing a reaponse on my phone.....

Mto, sounds like you have a few issues with him and his weight you made that clear. You obviously like him or he would be gone. I would give him a talk, and explain to him your expectations. Work is from x to x. Breaks are from x to x. 1.5 hrs on the can is not tollerated. You will doc his pay in the future and leave the phone in his lunch box. Your not asking a lot just for him to be there working when on the clock. Sounds like you may of given him a little too much slack and he got comfy. Jump his a$$ a little and if he doesnt change you wont regret giving him a shot to straighten up. Im 34 and believe thats as fair as it coule be. The boss makes the rules. 

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My question is: What sort of a manager airs their  personnel issues on a public forum???  Take it to the human relations/personnel department, or the employee who serves that function.

If you wish to terminate his employment, you do require a reason unless you are in a state like Texas, where it is basically terminate at will.  Even in  Texas there are Federal Requirements.

The last year I did hiring and firing was in 2000, that was far the worst job as a manager.  Negotiating  with the Director for an employee  pay increase was also a challenge.  Minimum wage was not an issue in a high-tech Corporation but there is a minimum wage for every job, not set by the Government but by the market for the position.

Remember you have already invested $$ into ant employee, their replacement is probably a carbon copy!  Most schools and junior colleges have work programs, a replacement from their system would give you an individual to conference with for issues.

 

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9 minutes ago, oleman said:

My question is: What sort of a manager airs their  personnel issues on a public forum???  Take it to the human relations/personnel department,

Huh?

I AM all of the above.

This isn`t Exxon Corporation.

And I`m glad I DID because many have suggested just where the problem MAY lie.

I COULD have just cut him loose but as I said above, he comes to work daily and I DO like him.

Wanna find solutions, not create more. 

I`ve invested time/teaching in this young man that he would normally have to PAY for so I feel no remorse in asking for suggestions.

I feel we need each other. 

Just gotta tweak the ground rules. 

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MTO - here would be my spin not that its worth anything but from a dad who has been through a divorce with 3 kids and 2 step daughters 

Firm but loving 

Grace will go a long ways

Share your struggles with them - they need to know you are human and make mistakes also

Give him boundaries with consequences and follow through but dont be a micro manager, give him the freedom to make mistakes/decisions and grace when he fouls up. 

If he is struggling with a porn addiction, ask him how you can help, dont shame him, my son has struggled with it since 13 now almost 21 - we talk about it openly and he is better but not free - 

humility has taught me much in owning my mistakes as a husband/father/friend/employee but it creates even more mileage when you lay it at the feet of those you can beat you with it, what they do with it is on them

slow to anger - which you seem to be doing 

I would say hey billy ( dont knwo the kids name ) while we are on this schedule regimen and talking about the boundaries around it......im concerned about your time in the bathroom, are you sick, can we get you some help, are you struggling with something? are you addicted to something that i could help you with? = i remember when i was your age and i had a tough time with x,y,z................

and about your work stuff.......i want to help you be successful, is there anything you really want to know or like doing in particular? maybe he likes something in particular - thats the kind of thing that might help you focus his energies and likes 

just some thoughts on how i give my kids choices when i have a lot of chores and they can pick something, they dont always get to choose but when they do its way more fun than hearing all the whining and dealing wtih the frustration

challenge him, see if he has any spunk under his belly 😉 say hey i will race you, if i get my job done before lunch and you get yours done too - were going out adn im buying, just stuff like that, celebrate the hard accomplishments from time to time, not daily, just some stuff to push him but not sound pushy

anyway, be leader that he would want to follow not someone that he has to listen to - im a work in progress and i fail daily but i ask my kids to let me know when i do so i can be better and it brings some great opportunity for conversations

good luck with him, i applaud your desire to lead and grow him - hang in there!!!

 

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Maybe he's hiding food in there........

Hide something really stinky in there, and leave it till it grows unbearable, as in people not in the bathroom are complaining

Put a mirror across from the head so he has to look at his self the whole time

Put a speaker in the ceiling that plays whatever music he hates and crank it up.........

do something, he's on your dime and your training him for the next place

 

 

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Just a thought.

Back in high school (60+ yrs ago)------we had a good buddy that formed the habit of rushing to the rest room before shop class-----doing his business and coming into class a few minutes late each day.

That was back in the day when the dry and gritty Boraxo (20 mule team) hand cleaner was popular.

Several of us took great care in distributing a light sprinkling of the Boraxo powder throughout a roll of toilet paper.  And-------left it for John to use.

Besides walking down the hall side ways (sidestepping) for several days--------I don't think Big John took a crap for at least a week.

Can you still buy the dry Boraxo hand cleaner--------it worked well as a hand cleaner also.

(good management has to be innovative with their thinking MTO-------might be worth a try!!!)  And-----this proposal seems to be well within your line of thinking!!!🤣🤐

 

 

DD

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6 hours ago, MTO said:

I know few, if any, want to do this miserable job and I like the kid.

I am , believe it or not, short on patience but I have been silent a year which surprises even me!

Used to have a few "adult" mags in the BR so I removed them but as a customer told me yesterday, if he has a phone porn is at hand. 

Fix it so there isn’t a signal in the bathroom! 

IF he’s hung on to this job for a year... maybe there’s something started in him? 

Thats about all you can hope for

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5 hours ago, twostepn2001 said:

Age probably has nothing to do with it. My wife has 2 nephews in their early 30's and both are lazy worthless SOB's. The longest they will keep a job is maybe a month, usually less. One had a job at a convenience store from 3am to 8am..... 5 whole hours a day.  Worked there less than two weeks.  Excuse was "l just couldn't handle the hours and the stress." But he can handle laying in bed all day long playing games on his d^^#+ phone.

Who’s bed is he in? 

He needs to be inconvenienced. Aka - out the door with empty pockets.

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5 hours ago, oleman said:

If you wish to terminate his employment, you do require a reason

Actually PA is an "at-will" state. You can be terminated or quit for any reason or no reason at all. In fact, all 50 US States are at-will with few exceptions. You don't need any reason to terminate anyone as long as it's not illegal such as race, religion, sex, etc..

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6 hours ago, MTO said:

Wanna job in PA? 

Rent to own?;)

Most people my age would probably call you names I can't type on here but I would enjoy working alongside you I grew up learning from guys like you and two of the most important things I learned is be thick skinned and never take there advice about females🤣. But in all honesty if distance wasn't a issue I might take you up on that offer 👍 

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