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I’ve hired our guardrails and dry hydrants sprayed with roundup in my town, now I’m getting a bunch of flack about it’s negative effects, 3 headed babies, cancer, 6 armed monkeys etc. 

anyone have any opinions? I found this business insider article that’s about as conclusive as I am beautiful. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/glyphosate-cancer-dangers-roundup-epa-2019-5

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Use lime, a lot of lime.  Nothing will be growing 

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Here penndot sprays their right of way along every state road with roundup, lately people been in a tizzy. They say we’re on label and put up a sign in front of your house that says do not spray. Otherwise tough luck. I’d just let them get over it

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4 minutes ago, AKwelder said:

Use lime, a lot of lime.  Nothing will be growing 

That’s readily available and cheap, my issue with it is that the state is cracking down on runoff, and our guardrails are mostly around the creeks. I don’t know what the effects of lime would be

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Low ph water.  

Sorry couldn't help it lol.   

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Just now, dannyredfan said:

Low ph water.  

Sorry couldn't help it lol.   

Tell DEC that

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1 minute ago, vtfireman85 said:

That’s readily available and cheap, my issue with it is that the state is cracking down on runoff, and our guardrails are mostly around the creeks. I don’t know what the effects of lime would be

Seth, you live in Vermont..... your fellow citizens are all socialists. Tell them if they get sick from it Bernie will take care of them. Lime will just lower the ph in the water a slight bit, but someone would undoubtedly be upset by you killing grass...

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3 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said:

That’s readily available and cheap, my issue with it is that the state is cracking down on runoff, and our guardrails are mostly around the creeks. I don’t know what the effects of lime would be

Salt works good to, so does fertilizer, and a dozen other things.  But the absolute best orgasmic solution is a weed burner.  Burn them with flame

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Mutter something about tinfoil hats protecting from chemicals....

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Actually I put lime around my house every few years keeps the grass back so I don’t have to trim   And it seals water from migrating down walls.   Win win.  Also it’s like a white border 

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Wonder what they’d say about my fire break mix

Glyphosate 

Sharpen

2,4-d

Ecopar

Intervix.......

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3 minutes ago, 696IH said:

Wonder what they’d say about my fire break mix

Glyphosate 

Sharpen

2,4-d

Ecopar

Intervix.......

You better add gramoxone to make sure you get a good kill.  Your mix looks kinda weak....seriously you can probably watch the stuff die

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Its the current hot button topic. Ask them what you should be using instead, then ask them to show you were they sprayed it, AND proof that it worked. 

Also, classic less is more type deal. Tell them its glyphosate,  it's standard homeowner grass killer. You not lying, just not using that evil "roundup" word. 

If you really want to get them going remind them the LD 50 of glyphosate is 5600 MG per KG of body weight.

Caffeine is 150-200 MG per KG of body weight.

Easy math, the smaller the number, the better odds of it killing you.

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I have an off topic story of one of those people I meet in my life that it took me years to realize just how brilliant he was, 

 

while in the USAF my first sergeant assigned another enlisted guy to keep the grass owed around the motor pool, quit farm boy who never said much or missed much and was a great guy, instead of complaining he negotiates a deal to do it all year if they will just avoid giving him other duties, to witch they agree.

he goes over to the base facility I can no longer remember the name of and gets a lawn mower, weed eater,  and fertilizer, quite a bit of fertilizer. He mowes around the motor pool fence, basically a ditch of rocks and gravel, and spread fertilizer,  I never found out how much but it might have later been classified as a superfund cleanup site. 

For two years nothing else grew, and he then let’s the unit con artist talk themselves into his job, he says fine and then transfers out of the unit,  and things started to grow, and grow. I think they needed to buy a couple more lawn mowers and maybe a chainsaw. It was the dangedest thing

 

its not what you use, it’s how much, and enough of anything will kill the grass and weeds, so get creative 

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Use acetic acid. We’ve used it around water plants for years since you can’t use glyphosate. But then again if they think it’s vinegar then glyphosate may well be roun up.  Just don’t us it on your French fry’s. 

John

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Well technically glyphosate is a salt so add a little vinegar and dawn and tell them its that hippy weed killer....

Sorry you have to deal with people.

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Well it’s legal and I hired a licensed arborist company to do it, so ideally the liability is on them, we try to reduce salt usage in our town so I’m thinking that’s out. Fact is it’s cheaper to do roundup application than to hire someone to keep them trimmed, also better for highway visibly. One thing I’ve learned in this joy is that no matter what I’m doing SOMEONE is upset about it

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Yuk it up guys. I'm not knocking it or supporting it.

Bayer, who bought Monsanto has been losing lawsuits right and left over Roundup. You start a township/town/city/state or federal government using it and it could come back to bite the them. Right now the way it's going? The various government agencies using Roundup? Are setting the government up for a major lawsuit. Don't matter win or lose it's still going to cost a lot of money before it's settled.

Thing is almost anyone for or against it right now is not a scientist or chemist. So we are taking the word about it's safety from folks who stand to profit from it's sale. That includes many if not all universities. They go in and donate money. When they get around to researching "that" product they let them know that money can be cut off. That's because they give a lot more money and the researchers get paid because they still have a job. So almost 100% of the folks supporting these chemicals stand to make money off of them INCLUDING THE END USER, the farmer.  There are people out there called researchers. Some work for institutes of higher learning. Some are claiming that then Monsanto and now Bayer have threaten research programs with cutting off the flow of money if they don't like the results. I myself? I'm not quite ready to believe them 100%. But others do believe them. Now when it comes down to it who is the consumer going to believe? The college researcher? The FOR PROFIT chemical company? The FOR PROFIT FARMER?  

Then the farmer cries when the tax paying consumer doesn't want to support farmers. That's because they don't trust you to put safe food on their tables. Just the facts of life. That's why you go to Wal Mart and see a growing amount of space dedicated to you name it. GMO free, cage free, free range, pasture raised, organic and anything else you can think of. You see young men, construction workers in convenience store at 6:30 or 7 AM on the way to a job site buying snacks for the day reading labels and avoiding products that may contain GMO's and fructose corn syrup. That's why you see citizens pushing state governments to ease or get rid of the bio fuel and ethanol mandates. So instead of making an effort to talk to these people and try to convince them that what you produce is safe you sit here and ridicule them. And what's worse?  They monitor sites like this and tell their followers what you think of them. 

 

Rick

 

 

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I used to run a sprayer for years and sprayed a heck of a lot of roundup still spray some today just for myself never hurt anybody that I saw just like everything else use the recommended rates and its fine

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Pretty soon everything will be resistant anyhow....................

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Supposed to be 17 days before the next thing starts growing after Roundup kill. Still better than if it was mowed 

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7 hours ago, b&c farms said:

I used to run a sprayer for years and sprayed a heck of a lot of roundup still spray some today just for myself never hurt anybody that I saw just like everything else use the recommended rates and its fine

Does your shadow agree with you?🤪

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7 hours ago, vtfireman85 said:

Well it’s legal and I hired a licensed arborist company to do it, so ideally the liability is on them, we try to reduce salt usage in our town so I’m thinking that’s out. Fact is it’s cheaper to do roundup application than to hire someone to keep them trimmed, also better for highway visibly. One thing I’ve learned in this joy is that no matter what I’m doing SOMEONE is upset about it

Just tell them the grass is just protesting.

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