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We have a 2012 Kia Sportage. Got the wife into it after quite a bit of shopping around and I can't get her out of it. Serves us well and so far I've only had to change the spark plugs. It's even been used to feed hay out seeing it's got 4wd lol

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I did some service work for a Kia dealership several years ago. After I was there as an electrician I got to shooting the bull with some of the mechanics there. At the time I was considering the very same thing as I like the looks of them. I asked a few of the senior guys their  honest opinion of Kia in general and then specifically the sorento. All said the same thing, the only problem is that they never come back for work, only brakes, tires, and oil changes. That was probably 7 yrs ago so a little dated but I felt it was worth sharing. I never bought one because I didn’t pull the trigger on a new one and it seemed used ones held their value to where you may as well buy new. 

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They sure seem to be the rental fleet cars.  Kia and Hyundai seem to be most of the rental cars when you pick them up.  

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6 hours ago, vtfireman85 said:

Driving a soul, I can tell you what you won't be getting with....

I love that commercial

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My wife's grandparents seemed to buy several of them over the years. Her grandfather had a love/hate relationship with them. Spent a lot of money putting new motors/transmissions in them. But every time they bought a new car... it was a Kia. Well HE bought older Ford vehicles but for their around town vehicles, they were Kia's. Probably not much worse than any other new car though. They all seem to be somewhat shoddy these days. My uncle's now year old Malibu has had numerous issues, most with the electronics, including the screen. Latest one has been the electric seat adjuster. Somehow it's not covered under warranty. Not sure how, but he just leaves it one place now. My cousin's brand new ford hybrid just spent 6 months in the shop waiting for parts. Not sure what the part was, but he drove a toyota for 6 months out of the 9 months he has owned the ford, lol.

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12 hours ago, oldtanker said:

Sorry dude but JD Powers rated that right there with other others.......

Plus.....

1: Can't listen to the exhaust when it's in the dealers repair facility and yer driving a loaner.......😱

2: If you really need that kinda help? Yea, you do need viagra for all the time it's at the dealer for warranty issues. Does viagra really work?🤣

I mean really? You'd buy a car based on what the exhaust sounds like? WOW!

Rick

I have never looked at jd powers or any other bought off opinion group before buying anything. Anything underpowered and boring is gonna be pretty reliable unless it truly is a lemon. 

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6 hours ago, vtfireman85 said:

Since Tanker sites JD Flower as the do all end all, the sorento scored 1 point lower than the charger AWD. That said I rarely agree with JD power, I'm not interested in a rating that drops reliability scores due to a chronic cup holder malfunction, but if you like them, here are the numbers.

https://www.jdpower.com/Cars/2018/Kia/Sorento/LX-AWD/Ratings

as a side note we looked at a Kia for comparison when we got the last Subaru in 2015, I found it under powered, tinny, and inferior in every way compared to the Subaru, and I hate the Subaru. I also found that by the time you were really comparing apples to apples in terms of side by side options the Kia was virtually no cost savings, and resale was in the toilet. Thinking about it right now, I know at least 5 ppl off the top of my head who have had a Kia, none of them have had 2, that to me speaks volumes. 

Ill point out that JD Flower rates the wrangler in the toilet as far as ride, handling and reliability, dealerships can't keep them in stock, there are 0 incentives offered as far as discounts, their resale value and overall depreciation is second to absolutely none, and it's been the longest running production vehicle ever and gets re-designed less frequently, and has undergone less overall change over decades than just about any other vehicle on the market. 

its somewhat irrelevant because they were sedans and it was 10 years ago but I had a couple small cars as loaners from the GM dealership, also had a couple Chevy small sedans. The Kia's were real cruddy in all respects, the GM weren't fancy but felt like they were put together with effort and forethought, and were pleasant to drive.

OK, I'm looking at the 3 year reports Seth. No one, I mean no one can rate a vehicle over 1 year. Heck go and look at the winners of "car of the year" from some car publications. Among them are the Chevy Vega, Ford Pinto and AMC Pacer. https://www.fossilcars.com/blog/dont-embarrass-me-worst-car-of-the-year-awards/ I never condemn nor support a vehicle on a one year or less rating. Most of us drive a vehicle much more than one year.

The 3 years report covers just that the last 3 years of reported Warranty issues. On that 3 years report the Subaru doesn't rate well either. That kinda surprised me. This is the newest one, seems that FIAT, Dodge, Chrysler no longer fall in the bottom 4. Fiat and Dodge now fall in the bottom 5. https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2019-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds Just as interesting at the end of 3 years, even with those problems, people seem to love those vehicles. And these people can vote?????😱 (the report I quoted was the 2016/17/18 report, last time I looked the 2019 report wasn't done)

Just because an idiot buys a vehicle (like the Jeep) doesn't make it a good vehicle and make the JD Powers report invalid. It just means that FIAT sold them a bill of goods and they were gullible enough to believe it. A few years back (early 90's) the Dodge minivans had transmission issues. Couple of years there 80K was about it. Guy my son worked with had just had an new transmission put in his wife's one that he bragged about. When my son told him that 80K on a transmission failure wasn't normal at all this guy got mad. But at the time the Chrysler/Dodge minivan was selling as fast as they could get them on the lots. Heck almost everyone would still be driving manuals if 80K failures were normal. Back then no one had internet. So there was an excuse for the ignorance. For what it's worth? Industry standard for an automatic transmission failure for decades has been 150000 miles for a heavy used pickup and over 200000 for a car/minivan/suv.

Rick

 

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I'm waiting on Vladimir Putin to start sending his SUV's into our country before I buy. We tend to buy everyone else's junk. 

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30 minutes ago, new guy said:

I have never looked at jd powers or any other bought off opinion group before buying anything. Anything underpowered and boring is gonna be pretty reliable unless it truly is a lemon. 

LOL that's why you think My Old Plymouth Ain't Running vehicles are good vehicles😉🤣!

I have no brand loyalty. When spending that kind of money I research within the best of my ability. JD Powers is one of the few sources I have any confidence in at all. Like with the report I look at it shows only warranty issues per make per 100 units sold over 3 years. The mid grade on that is over 3 years 136 per 100. FIAT Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep all average more that 136 per 100 sold. It's that simple. 

And on top of that the Camaro was faster😈🤣!!

 

Rick 

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My mom has a Kia minivan. It has a ton of miles on it. It has had its share of problems. We all have worked on it at one point or another. It has been to the dealer several times. Does that make it a good or bad vehicle? I dont know. She loves it so it keeps getting fixed.

Rick....can you give a breakdown on all the repairs reported on these Fiats that make them so much worse than anything else? I seem to have worked on more GM stuff in the last 10 years than anything else.  4 transmission jobs along with a couple engines. Otherwise normal wear items. My 06 ram 2500 has been pretty tough. Other than normal wear items all i have done is exhaust manifold bolts(easy fix). I dont baby my truck either. It is a working class truck. 

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1 minute ago, new guy said:

My mom has a Kia minivan. It has a ton of miles on it. It has had its share of problems. We all have worked on it at one point or another. It has been to the dealer several times. Does that make it a good or bad vehicle? I dont know. She loves it so it keeps getting fixed.

Rick....can you give a breakdown on all the repairs reported on these Fiats that make them so much worse than anything else? I seem to have worked on more GM stuff in the last 10 years than anything else.  4 transmission jobs along with a couple engines. Otherwise normal wear items. My 06 ram 2500 has been pretty tough. Other than normal wear items all i have done is exhaust manifold bolts(easy fix). I dont baby my truck either. It is a working class truck. 

Agreed, jeep grands with V8 engines had their share of trans issues, as did the half ton dodge trucks. The grand Cherokee , ( a 2011) has been in for a boot ligt wiring harness recall and a fuel pump relay recall in 100k

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I am looking at the Sorento. I had been thinking about a larger sedan like the Impala or Taurus, and then buying another truck to replace my over the hill Suburban. Why not one daily driver that does both? All I pull is a 2 place sled trailer. AWD is always nice. I seldom have a passenger, but I constantly need a little more cargo room than a trunk provides.

Those who said the Kia is down on power, were you in a 4 cylinder or a V6? The 3.3 in the Kia is 290 hp, yes the Edge gets 320 and GM is 305, but Toyota and such are around 260. My Suburban is only 255 hp and has to be a couple thousand pounds heavier, will I really think 290 is gutless?

Sorry, I am not a Fiat / Mopar fan. I know about a dozen people who own(ed) them. Most haven't had any more luck than I did.

I'll probably drive whatever I buy for 5 yrs and trade up again. If I want to drive 150k vehicles, I will stick with buying them that way in the first place.

I should note what caught my eye, there's currently a dozen or so 2019 Sorento's at TC dealers, V6 AWD, heated seats etc, all used with 7-20k on them pricing around $22,500 with remainder of the 10 yr 100k factory warranty.

 

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4 hours ago, new guy said:

My mom has a Kia minivan. It has a ton of miles on it. It has had its share of problems. We all have worked on it at one point or another. It has been to the dealer several times. Does that make it a good or bad vehicle? I dont know. She loves it so it keeps getting fixed.

Rick....can you give a breakdown on all the repairs reported on these Fiats that make them so much worse than anything else? I seem to have worked on more GM stuff in the last 10 years than anything else.  4 transmission jobs along with a couple engines. Otherwise normal wear items. My 06 ram 2500 has been pretty tough. Other than normal wear items all i have done is exhaust manifold bolts(easy fix). I dont baby my truck either. It is a working class truck. 

What year minivan? That can make all the difference in the world.

I could research it if I was so inclined. I really don't care about FIAT. Sales figures for FIAT are dismal here in the US. They peaked at about 46,000 cars a year a few years back but that has now dropped to less than 16,000 for the 2019 year models. I could look up what the Dodges had wrong too. But again, I don't buy vehicles so I can sit in a dealers waiting room or to drive a loaner. So I really don't care what is wrong. Only that it is wrong. 5 worst brand ratings? 3 of the 5 brands owned by FIAT? Sorry. I don't care how good they look.

Funny but when I worked as a mechanic about 15% of the local vehicles or less were Chrysler products. They accounted for about 40% of all our work and 50% of all transmission issues. Those numbers do not include Jeep. Just Chrysler,  Plymouth and Dodge (before they renamed the pickups RAMS). 

Rick

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4 hours ago, Cattech said:

I am looking at the Sorento. I had been thinking about a larger sedan like the Impala or Taurus, and then buying another truck to replace my over the hill Suburban. Why not one daily driver that does both? All I pull is a 2 place sled trailer. AWD is always nice. I seldom have a passenger, but I constantly need a little more cargo room than a trunk provides.

Those who said the Kia is down on power, were you in a 4 cylinder or a V6? The 3.3 in the Kia is 290 hp, yes the Edge gets 320 and GM is 305, but Toyota and such are around 260. My Suburban is only 255 hp and has to be a couple thousand pounds heavier, will I really think 290 is gutless?

Sorry, I am not a Fiat / Mopar fan. I know about a dozen people who own(ed) them. Most haven't had any more luck than I did.

I'll probably drive whatever I buy for 5 yrs and trade up again. If I want to drive 150k vehicles, I will stick with buying them that way in the first place.

I should note what caught my eye, there's currently a dozen or so 2019 Sorento's at TC dealers, V6 AWD, heated seats etc, all used with 7-20k on them pricing around $22,500 with remainder of the 10 yr 100k factory warranty.

 

Well like I said, based on what a friend says I would not be afraid of one. And Jim lives here in MN. He hasn't complained about winter starting or anything. In fact Jim's only complaint is the new car thing. He hates new vehicles in general and would drive 30 year old junkers if he had his way. It's his wife who insists on a new car every 5 years. 

Rick

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9 hours ago, Cattech said:

I am looking at the Sorento. I had been thinking about a larger sedan like the Impala or Taurus, and then buying another truck to replace my over the hill Suburban. Why not one daily driver that does both? All I pull is a 2 place sled trailer. AWD is always nice. I seldom have a passenger, but I constantly need a little more cargo room than a trunk provides.

Those who said the Kia is down on power, were you in a 4 cylinder or a V6? The 3.3 in the Kia is 290 hp, yes the Edge gets 320 and GM is 305, but Toyota and such are around 260. My Suburban is only 255 hp and has to be a couple thousand pounds heavier, will I really think 290 is gutless?

Sorry, I am not a Fiat / Mopar fan. I know about a dozen people who own(ed) them. Most haven't had any more luck than I did.

I'll probably drive whatever I buy for 5 yrs and trade up again. If I want to drive 150k vehicles, I will stick with buying them that way in the first place.

I should note what caught my eye, there's currently a dozen or so 2019 Sorento's at TC dealers, V6 AWD, heated seats etc, all used with 7-20k on them pricing around $22,500 with remainder of the 10 yr 100k factory warranty.

 

The wife's aunt and uncle both drive Ford Edge , he tows a 12' enclosed trailer as a commercial sales rep and averages 50-60 k a year on it. It's 5 years old so you do the math. Her edge sees more civilized treatment, they both love them and plan to get more. I am not a ford fan but it is one nice driving solid vehicle and does not want for power. Her edge just turned over 100 k last I heard that's 350k between the 2 and no more than usual maintenance. Neither of them has a bad word to say about them, all I can come up with is its hard to look at that hideous Blue Oval 

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5 hours ago, oldtanker said:

What year minivan? That can make all the difference in the world.

I could research it if I was so inclined. I really don't care about FIAT. Sales figures for FIAT are dismal here in the US. They peaked at about 46,000 cars a year a few years back but that has now dropped to less than 16,000 for the 2019 year models. I could look up what the Dodges had wrong too. But again, I don't buy vehicles so I can sit in a dealers waiting room or to drive a loaner. So I really don't care what is wrong. Only that it is wrong. 5 worst brand ratings? 3 of the 5 brands owned by FIAT? Sorry. I don't care how good they look.

Funny but when I worked as a mechanic about 15% of the local vehicles or less were Chrysler products. They accounted for about 40% of all our work and 50% of all transmission issues. Those numbers do not include Jeep. Just Chrysler,  Plymouth and Dodge (before they renamed the pickups RAMS). 

Rick

I gues that is gospel then. I have never had a transmission go out on any Chrysler vehicle i have ever owned. I had a 2001 Durango i had to put a new shift solenoid in. Pretty simple. Drop the pan, drop the valve body, swap the new updated solenoid in, put it back together and add fluid. I would guess most if not all dealers would just tell the customer they needed a whole new transmission and tie up the vehicle for several days. Did the solenoid swap in a couple hours. 

If you are basing your opinion off of that era of transmissions they had solenoid issues that were fixed with updates to them.

Most transmission issues i see (regardless of makes) are when someone decides to change fluid and filters on one that has a bunch of miles and never had a fluid change. That new fluid is loaded with detergents that clean out the system. Problem is that residue has to go thru the whole system before it gets back to the pan to be pulled thru the filter. Transmission flushes are a joke. No way you get the all the old fluid out of the converter. You just dislodge particles that can get caught somewhere else in the system before getting filtered out.

I never ever change transmission fluid. When i did the Durango i poured the old fluid thru a filter and put it back in the transmission. Never had a transmission issue. Ever.

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26 minutes ago, new guy said:

I gues that is gospel then. I have never had a transmission go out on any Chrysler vehicle i have ever owned. I had a 2001 Durango i had to put a new shift solenoid in. Pretty simple. Drop the pan, drop the valve body, swap the new updated solenoid in, put it back together and add fluid. I would guess most if not all dealers would just tell the customer they needed a whole new transmission and tie up the vehicle for several days. Did the solenoid swap in a couple hours. 

If you are basing your opinion off of that era of transmissions they had solenoid issues that were fixed with updates to them.

Most transmission issues i see (regardless of makes) are when someone decides to change fluid and filters on one that has a bunch of miles and never had a fluid change. That new fluid is loaded with detergents that clean out the system. Problem is that residue has to go thru the whole system before it gets back to the pan to be pulled thru the filter. Transmission flushes are a joke. No way you get the all the old fluid out of the converter. You just dislodge particles that can get caught somewhere else in the system before getting filtered out.

I never ever change transmission fluid. When i did the Durango i poured the old fluid thru a filter and put it back in the transmission. Never had a transmission issue. Ever.

No, it was just the Caravans for a couple of years and when they failed it was catastrophic. Piece would punch through the bell housing and lodge against the torque converter stopping the engine dead. When it happened at highway speed it would sometimes take out the engine too. Try explaining to a customer that yea, we can install another transmission but the engine may or may not be good. Then when they insist that you install that tranny and the engine turns out to be toast? It's your fault too. Had a couple of Intrepids  with tranny issues too. Don't recall the year model but one had a ton of production modifications. Was so bad that the only source for a reman was Chrysler. 

I don't recall the exact year models but it was very late 80's early 90's IIRC. Haven't worked as a mechanic sense 2000. But overall my experiences as a mechanic makes me kinda forget about owning anything that Chrysler makes. They made/make some good looking stuff. I really want a 71 Cuda. Wanna stick a Ford 429 under the hood and have a sign on the trunk lid and both front fenders that reads "powered by Ford"! 🤣

Rick

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10 minutes ago, oldtanker said:

 I really want a 71 Cuda. Wanna stick a Ford 429 under the hood and have a sign on the trunk lid and both front fenders that reads "powered by Ford"! 

Rick

Bet a dollar you won't do it!!

Talk is cheap....

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6 hours ago, new guy said:

Bet a dollar you won't do it!!

Talk is cheap....

No, I won't do it. I just don't fit well into something like that at 6'5". Too hard to get in and out of something that small. Besides, that would be an expensive joke just to PO the MOPAR guys. But if I ever win the lottery (gotta remember to buy tickets, I forget weekly) you'll see me with a 68 Mustang fastback powered by a Chevy, a 69 Camaro  powered by a Toyota and that 71 Cuda powered by Ford.

Rick

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My experience confirms Rick's opinion of Dodge in products made since 88 or so.A Dakota pickup with the V6 and 5 speed manual,lost reverse at 70,000 miles. Was going bad the second time at 170,000 miles. Then a 95 Grand Caravan the automatic went at about 90,000.Last but not least a 07 Pacifica at 100,000 found out it did not have a dip stick to even check out if it needed more fluid.The van and SUV had service contracts and my wife can hear all manor of little noises I cannot. So they should have been serviced,but who knows. But still a small town where you hear things if your looking,the dealer was not a big time rip off outfit.

 

Yes I can bash Ford Ranger pickups with the automatic as well they should do better,but we have been getting better than 150,000 mile between rebuilds.But they have hauled and towed a lot more then the Dakota ever did.

Did have another Caravan in the mix that made 120 or 130,000 without transmission trouble as well as Chrysler New Yorker that came with 110,000 miles and bad paint that leaked engine oil but was wheels for a kid on the 5 year college plan. Lasted until week before graduation.

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Wife has a 2011 Sorento EX V6, loves it.  Talked to a Kia salesman today, about getting a new one. BK

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Dont know anything about kia but we have been happy with our '13 edge v6 front wheel drive. Got it in nov dec time frame of 13 so 14s were out. Was 7g off sticker. Wasnt fully loaded so price was not awful. Power is fine imo. 

Having said that im disgusted with current trend of doing away with sedans and way over priced 4 door trucks that are not what i want any way to haul family around and have threatned to buy a kia or Toyota next and drive till wheels fall off.......

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4 hours ago, iowaboy1965 said:

Dont know anything about kia but we have been happy with out '13 edge v6 front wheel drive. Got it in nov dec time frame of 13 so 14s were out. Was 7g off sticker. Wasnt fully loaded so price was not awful. Power is fine imo. 

Having said that im disgusted with current trend of doing away with sedans and way over priced 4 door trucks that are not what i want any way to haul family around and have threatned to buy a kia or Toyota next and drive till wheels fall off.......

That's the customer and foreign competition. The price difference between say a KIA and a Ford is substantial. When sales slump to the point where they are losing money how long before the next bailout if they keep those lines running. Add in the price difference and the type of vehicle the average customer wants?

Back when Bill was in office his administration actually looked at trying to make selling an SUV/Pickup a proven need, not a want. In other words you would have to prove the need for that type vehicle before you were allowed to buy one. That was at the same time CA passed the "one out of every 10 new cars sold by each dealer had to be electric" law that was overturned by the courts. Clinton ordered a study as to why the bottom of the line 4X2 4 cylinder manual transmission small pickups were so popular over a bottom of the line car. Result was image. People had the impression that if you bought the Geo Metro it was all you could afford.They thought if you had the S10 it was cause you needed a truck. Was kinda interesting.

But sedans are not going away. Just most will be imports. GM, Ford and Chrysler have to compete with BMW, Audi, VW, Mercedes, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai and KIA. So 1: price and 2: customer demand.

Kinda interesting today that most full sized 1/2 ton 4X4 pickups will never be driven off of paved roads. Nor will they ever really be used for hauling or towing. Heck of a lot are bought by women.  

And the trend today to buy SUV's and crossovers all started with Chrysler and Jeep. I remember well back in the 80's when Jeep ads started pushing the "if you love your family you'll want them in a 4X4 for all weather conditions". I can remember telling my wife that those ads were brilliant! Convincing men that to take care of loved ones, convincing loved ones that to really be loved they had to have that 4X4! Worked too. Few extra appointments to make em nice inside 

Rick 

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Well, pulled the trigger, bought my first brand new vehicle this morning. 2019 Sorento S V6 AWD.
 

 

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1 hour ago, Cattech said:

Well, pulled the trigger, bought my first brand new vehicle this morning. 2019 Sorento S V6 AWD.
 

 

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Looks good. 

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